Should Whiz be fired?

[Mulli]

Don't know about that - haven't they been changing the personnel staff over the last two years? From our perspective - we don't know what has REALLY been changing. I do know that we FINALLY started to draft OLine and these guys don't look terrible. If that is a result of those changes, then why throw out everything? Just fix the problem which we can all see - the offensive coaching, possibly the head coach. Why not do it incrementally, and as K9 states, leave the option to Whiz to accept the changes?

Why throw out everything? Really? How can you not hit CTRL ALT DEL on the whole thing?
Whiz has had the option to make changes, it hasn't worked. Who in the organization can pick a decent OC? What decent OC is going to sign on for what is probably a one year deal due to crap talent and a lame duck HC.

 

[WildBB]

It is hard to overcome because the entire organization has failed. Time to hit the dump button.

I don't know if this team competes with the 9ers for years, unless they somehow pull a Rivers out of their hat. Then there is a chance with some tweaks in the OL here and there. A few pieces for the aging guys on the D side as well. Fitz could be the odd man out to get young blood in here as well.

Outside of that - you need to start with the GM

 

[Cheesebeef]

Why throw out everything? Really? How can you not hit CTRL ALT DEL on the whole thing?
Whiz has had the option to make changes, it hasn't worked. Who in the organization can pick a decent OC? What decent OC is going to sign on for what is probably a one year deal due to crap talent and a lame duck HC.

the last sentence is a BIG TIME BINGO!

 

[kerouac9]

Why throw out everything? Really? How can you not hit CTRL ALT DEL on the whole thing?
Whiz has had the option to make changes, it hasn't worked. Who in the organization can pick a decent OC? What decent OC is going to sign on for what is probably a one year deal due to crap talent and a lame duck HC.

There are college HCs and offensive coordinators who would jump at the chance. They wouldn't get a one-year deal; they'd get a three-year contract that the Cards would pay out of they clean house after 2013. There are tons of Dirk Koetter-types who would jump from a second-tier FBS job to NFL coordinator if given the chance.

 

[desertdawg]

I just watched the Monday presser from Whiz, and well, the media is really starting to turn on him too. I don't think they can ever bait him Denny or Anderson style, because he just looks done already. Said Kolb is still sore, well I kinda hope Kolb doesn't suit up in NJ. I hope Whiz gets his ass handed to him by a foot fetish, his playcall and gameplan gets destroyed every week but it aint his fault.

 

[Mulli]

There are college HCs and offensive coordinators who would jump at the chance. They wouldn't get a one-year deal; they'd get a three-year contract that the Cards would pay out of they clean house after 2013. There are tons of Dirk Koetter-types who would jump from a second-tier FBS job to NFL coordinator if given the chance.

:championship:

EDIT: Keeping Whiz around for press conferences and time out management is an EPIC idea. For tanking to get Johnny Football whenever he comes out. It will also allow the Bidwills to line their pockets (without winning) until that time comes.

 

[Linderbee]

:championship:

EDIT: Keeping Whiz around for press conferences and time out management is an EPIC idea. For tanking to get Johnny Football whenever he comes out. It will also allow the Bidwills to line their pockets (without winning) until that time comes.

I don't understand your edit.

 

[Mulli]

I don't understand your edit.

It is more of a note than an edit.

 

[Linderbee]

It is more of a note than an edit.

I still don't understand what you're trying to say, though. "For tanking to get Johnny Football whenever he comes out." = Huh?

 

[Mulli]

I still don't understand what you're trying to say, though. "For tanking to get Johnny Football whenever he comes out." = Huh?

Keeping Whiz around, like K9 suggests, is a great plan for the Cardinals to tank until the QB from Texas A&M comes out.

 

[Mulli]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/...cle/Johnny-Football-legend-builds-4065823.php

 

[Linderbee]

Keeping Whiz around, like K9 suggests, is a great plan for the Cardinals to tank until the QB from Texas A&M comes out.

:coach::claphat::maninground::smiliefan::iwin:

Thank you.

 

[MrYeahBut]

I noticed Mojorizen voted to keep Whiz... a Ram's fan. I'm sure he wants us to keep him...lol

 

[LarryStalling]

As I said on another thread--you can't really fire the guys you have unless you know that you're replacing them with someone better.

This team has 8+ players on IR--we were playing our 4th string OLB this afternoon. Adrian Wilson got benched and for some reason Justin Bethel was playing because he's learned the NFL game 10 months after playing for Presbyterian. That's a problem.

Do I think that Michael Lombardi or Scott Pioli or Bill Polian would do a better job than Graves? That's not a question that I can really answer. What I can say is that I've heard for years now that Graves doesn't take much of a scouting role in the organization, for better or for worse. We've turned over the pro personnel department since free agency--the haven't been able to show what they can do.

What I do believe is that I'm less pissed about Ryan Williams being an injury case than I would be if Fitz, Campbell, Daryl Washington, or Darnell Dockett had left in free agency. This team is more talented at maybe every defensive position than the Super Bowl team.

If I thought that we'd be committed to the next quarterback we draft for 5+ years because of his contract, I'd probably be more on-board with a total house cleaning. But this organization was 8-8 last year, and we're more talented this year if we're healthy.

I don't think we draft a quarterback in the first round--or at least with our Top 10 pick. I think that the Week 1 starter for the Arizona Cardinals is Kevin Kolb (if healthy). That being the case, make Whis continue to suffer for what he's done.

Don't ask any KC fans about Pioli? You probably will get your ears pinned back for using profanity. They are really a pathetic team and have only gotten worse under his tutelage and I thought that was impossible.

 

[vinnymac]

I believe coach whiz deserves another year. People say injury is not an excuse for losing. I disagree with that. The Cardinals have suffered a lot of injuries this season. The main one is Kevin Kolb. He was picking up the offense and making plays. Losing Levi Brown hurt the Cardinals as well. Not having Beanie Wells hurt. All these injuries have an effect.

It is hard to win games when you are on your 3rd string and practice squads players.

 

[Totally_Red]

I believe coach whiz deserves another year. People say injury is not an excuse for losing. I disagree with that. The Cardinals have suffered a lot of injuries this season. The main one is Kevin Kolb. He was picking up the offense and making plays. Losing Levi Brown hurt the Cardinals as well. Not having Beanie Wells hurt. All these injuries have an effect.

It is hard to win games when you are on your 3rd string and practice squads players.

As Jim Mora Jr. famously said about injuries when coaching the Seahawks, "It's a reason not an excuse."

It does seem like the Cardinals have been hit by injuries more than usual this season. The list is long including both starting tackles. Dockett was out for awhile and then limited when he returned. The #1 & 2 running backs. The #1 & 2 quarterbacks for significant time. One of the top two defensive players, Calais Campbell, for two weeks. The guy I consider our second best cornerback, Greg Toler, has played very little this season. And now the starting center is lost for the year. It's not an excuse, but it is part of the reason.

Personally, I think the Cardinals do need to get better coaching on the offensive side of the ball. Grimm has been ineffective and Miller is inexperienced. They might be acceptable with a HOF QB like Kurt Warner. But with what the Cardinals have, they just aren't IMO.

 

[kerouac9]

As Jim Mora Jr. famously said about injuries when coaching the Seahawks, "It's a reason not an excuse."

It does seem like the Cardinals have been hit by injuries more than usual this season. The list is long including both starting tackles. Dockett was out for awhile and then limited when he returned. The #1 & 2 running backs. The #1 & 2 quarterbacks for significant time. One of the top two defensive players, Calais Campbell, for two weeks. The guy I consider our second best cornerback, Greg Toler, has played very little this season. And now the starting center is lost for the year. It's not an excuse, but it is part of the reason.

Personally, I think the Cardinals do need to get better coaching on the offensive side of the ball. Grimm has been ineffective and Miller is inexperienced. They might be acceptable with a HOF QB like Kurt Warner. But with what the Cardinals have, they just aren't IMO.

Only Levi Brown was EVER going to be a starting tackle for this team. Jeremy Bridges was 3rd team RT by the time he was put on IR.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I believe coach whiz deserves another year. People say injury is not an excuse for losing. I disagree with that. The Cardinals have suffered a lot of injuries this season. The main one is Kevin Kolb. He was picking up the offense and making plays. Losing Levi Brown hurt the Cardinals as well. Not having Beanie Wells hurt. All these injuries have an effect.

It is hard to win games when you are on your 3rd string and practice squads players.

We were going south before Kolb went down. We were hit with a lot of injuries but it's a part of the game and we never really prepare for that. Most teams will suffer some if they lose their defensive playmaker or their pro bowl QB but for the most part, they have enough depth to handle the kind of losses that destroy us.

Steve

 

[Mulli]

Is it probably safe to say that the Bidwills are so close to Whizzle that it is unlikely that the org forces players on him? If it happens, it probably doesn't happen very often?

 

[Stout]

I believe coach whiz deserves another year. People say injury is not an excuse for losing. I disagree with that. The Cardinals have suffered a lot of injuries this season. The main one is Kevin Kolb. He was picking up the offense and making plays. Losing Levi Brown hurt the Cardinals as well. Not having Beanie Wells hurt. All these injuries have an effect.

It is hard to win games when you are on your 3rd string and practice squads players.

Three seasons in a row with minimum 6 game losing streaks. The injuries aren't an excuse. No team outside of the Cardinals would have brought him back for a 3rd season after two straight seasons with losing streaks that long. It's shocking, sad and disappointing that our team might do it. It's inexcusable that fans want him back.

 

[Mulli]

Three seasons in a row with minimum 6 game losing streaks. The injuries aren't an excuse. No team outside of the Cardinals would have brought him back for a 3rd season after two straight seasons with losing streaks that long. It's shocking, sad and disappointing that our team might do it. It's inexcusable that fans want him back.

yep. And look at this division the last three years. Oof.

 

[john h]

Should Whiz be fired?

With what he has had to work with I do not see any coach doing much better. To many injuries, no QB, rookies on the OT positions. Graves for a GM. RBs out for most of season. How do you do any better with this? First guy to be fired should be Graves if he is the real GM and not some figure head. It is starting to look to me like Kolb will be our starting QB next year. He may not stay upright for much of the year or last the year out but what else do we have? I hated the Kolb deal and still do but if he is the best we have he is the best we have.

 

[vinnymac]

We were going south before Kolb went down. We were hit with a lot of injuries but it's a part of the game and we never really prepare for that. Most teams will suffer some if they lose their defensive playmaker or their pro bowl QB but for the most part, they have enough depth to handle the kind of losses that destroy us.

Steve

I do agree that the Cardinals need more depth. Kolb was making the plays to win. He was reading the defense better and putting the ball where it needed to be.

When you start talking about losing streaks then start talking about the winning streaks. The last half of the season the cardinals were 7-2. They stated out with a 4 game winning streak. No one expected that. Then all the injuries started to happen. So it is not that the coaching staff wasn't winning it is because a lot of the main players went down. It is hard to win with all your players healthy. Especially hard when you are starting your 2nd and 3rd string guys.

 

[Red Dawn]

I noticed Mojorizen voted to keep Whiz... a Ram's fan. I'm sure he wants us to keep him...lol

His vote might be the most damning of all lol

 

[Duckjake]

Three seasons in a row with minimum 6 game losing streaks. The injuries aren't an excuse. No team outside of the Cardinals would have brought him back for a 3rd season after two straight seasons with losing streaks that long. It's shocking, sad and disappointing that our team might do it. It's inexcusable that fans want him back.

12 consecutive losses is looking more and more like a real possibility. I'm in favor of keeping CKW just to stop the coaching carousel that has hindered the Cards success for years. But 12 straight? How is Michael going to react to that?