Sign and Trade Chris Wilcox?

[slinslin]

I'd give up Kurt Thomas and Clevelands and our first round pick next season. Something like that. Wilcox would get 6yrs/45m$ or something like that.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sonics/

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I'd give up Kurt Thomas and Clevelands and our first round pick next season. Something like that. Wilcox would get 6yrs/45m$ or something like that.

We cant afford to keep the free agents that we have, yet you want us to sign another one?

 

[slinslin]

We cant afford to keep the free agents that we have, yet you want us to sign another one?

WTF?

 

[Dan H]

I've never seen him play, but I have the impression that Wilcox isn't much of a shooter . . . correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Joe Mama]

I'd imagine that Seattle wants no part of Kurt Thomas' contract, especially if they are only getting a late first-round draft pick to go along with him. I also think Chris Wilcox will want more than $45 million since Nene just signed for $60 million.

Joe

 

[dreamcastrocks]

WTF?

What do you mean WTF? Ok, we sign and trade for Wilcox. In 2 years, when Kurt Thomas's contract would have been off of the books, we still have 4 years of around 7 million dollars.

That contract alone easily puts us into the luxury tax.

If you want Wilcox, thats fine, but you need more than just a S&T (as in a Marion trade, not resigning Diaw/Barbosa, etc)

You do know that the Suns do not want to pay the luxury tax, right?

 

[slinslin]

What do you mean WTF? Ok, we sign and trade for Wilcox. In 2 years, when Kurt Thomas's contract would have been off of the books, we still have 4 years of around 7 million dollars.

That contract alone easily puts us into the luxury tax.

If you want Wilcox, thats fine, but you need more than just a S&T (as in a Marion trade, not resigning Diaw/Barbosa, etc)

You do know that the Suns do not want to pay the luxury tax, right?

Something tells me you don't understand our cap situation. No matter what if we keep Thomas or don't we will be over the luxury tax next season unless we trade Marion. Trading Marion is bound to happen after next season unless we win the championship this year.

 

[asudevil83]

i personally would ship out Thomas + Barbosa and anything else we would need to (except for Atlanta's Pick) in order to net Wilcox + Ridnour. but that's HIGHLY unlikely.

 

[Mainstreet]

i personally would ship out Thomas + Barbosa and anything else we would need to (except for Atlanta's Pick) in order to net Wilcox + Ridnour. but that's HIGHLY unlikely.

I really... really... really... like these two players as does Seattle.
However, it's just not realistic as Seattle would be parting with two of the best players on their roster. Heck, I'd settle for just one of them, but the Suns cannot afford them. And Seattle, IMO, is not going to take less than quality younger talent back in a return unless it is just filler. I'd even throw in the Atlanta pick in such a trade.

I think the Suns goofed when they did not do a really nice package to get Wilcox from the Clippers when he was there. However, he will be asking near the max and in this market, somebody may come close to giving it to him. The Suns, however, would now be trying to move large salaries to sign him as he is a RFA if such a trade occurred. I just wanted the Suns to rent Wixcox last season to get a Championship and then if he worked out well...

I wanted Wilcox as an insurance policy for Amare. The Suns couldn't even get a deal done with Seattle for the #10 pick in the draft (with 3 first rounders). Unless Seattle really gets desparate, I don't see anything happening for the Suns here for either player.

 

[Joe Mama]

I think the Suns goofed when they did not do a really nice package to get Wilcox from the Clippers when he was there. However, he will be asking near the max and in this market, somebody may come close to giving it to him. The Suns, however, would now be trying to move large salaries to sign him as he is a RFA if such a trade occurred. I just wanted the Suns to rent Wixcox last season to get a Championship and then if he worked out well...

I wanted Wilcox as an insurance policy for Amare. The Suns couldn't even get a deal done with Seattle for the #10 pick in the draft (with 3 first rounders). Unless Seattle really gets desparate, I don't see anything happening for the Suns here for either player.

Okay, if you have said something like "it's too bad the Phoenix Suns couldn't get Chris Wilcox or the #10 draft pick" I would have no problem with this. However, when you said implies that the Phoenix Suns could have made a great deal and passed on it. Unless you know something the rest of us don't that simply isn't true.

The Clippers were not going to deal Chris Wilcox to the Phoenix Suns last season. They are our biggest competitors in the division. Unless they were completely ripping off the Suns it makes no sense for them. Furthermore, David Griffin said that they offered everything but the kitchen sink to move up in the draft, but there were no takers. You'd probably be killing management and especially Sarver if the team did give up what it would have taken to move up in the draft.

I'm all for questioning teams' decisions, but it's not fair to just completely conjure up deals that they supposedly passed on when there's no reason to think they were really possible.

Joe

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Something tells me you don't understand our cap situation. No matter what if we keep Thomas or don't we will be over the luxury tax next season unless we trade Marion. Trading Marion is bound to happen after next season unless we win the championship this year.

Something tells me that you do not understand reading comprehension. I never said that we would be over the luxury tax next season. I said in two years. We will not be over the cap next season, or even the year after. If we resign Barbosa/Diaw, then yes, we will be.

I have a firm grasp of our cap situation.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

From Hoopshype...

Player 2006/07 2007/08 2008/09 2009/10 2010/11
Shawn Marion $15,070,000 $16,440,000 $17,180,000 $0 $0
Amare Stoudemire $12,000,000 $13,260,000 $14,520,000 $15,780,000 $17,040,000
Steve Nash $10,500,000 $11,375,000 $12,250,000 $13,125,000 $0
Kurt Thomas $7,355,625 $8,091,187 $0 $0 $0
Raja Bell $4,500,000 $4,750,000 $5,000,000 $5,250,000 $0
James Jones $2,652,000 $2,904,000 $3,156,000 $0 $0
Howard Eisley $2,200,000 $0 $0 $0 $0
Boris Diaw $1,795,757 $2,587,685 $0 $0 $0
Leandrinho Barbosa $1,679,733 $2,502,802 $0 $0 $0
Pat Burke $810,000 $0 $0 $0 $0
TOTALS: $59,373,115 $56,820,187 $52,106,000 $21,030,000 $17,040,000

None of those totals are over the expected $62 million. We technically are not over the cap in any of these years.

In 08-09, if we keep all of our players (meaning the ones that we have signed, Marion, Amare, Nash, Bell, and Jones, we will be around $52 mil. If we signed near miminum contracts for the rest of our roster, we would not be in the luxury tax. Yes, this is unlikely, but given some of the views of Sarver on this board, it isn't that far-fetched.

Yes, trading Marion is likely to happen after next year. In your scenerio, Wilcox would take up about half of the savings that we would have by trading Marion. What do we do with Diaw? The amount that is left, will either barely cover, or will not be enough to resign him. Barbosa would have to be a walk as well.

This is assuming that Sarver would not go over the luxury tax.

Overall, I think that a S&T for Wilcox is not a good idea, because it hinders or may even prevent resigning Diaw.

 

[Mainstreet]

Okay, if you have said something like "it's too bad the Phoenix Suns couldn't get Chris Wilcox or the #10 draft pick" I would have no problem with this. However, when you said implies that the Phoenix Suns could have made a great deal and passed on it. Unless you know something the rest of us don't that simply isn't true.

The Clippers were not going to deal Chris Wilcox to the Phoenix Suns last season. They are our biggest competitors in the division. Unless they were completely ripping off the Suns it makes no sense for them. Furthermore, David Griffin said that they offered everything but the kitchen sink to move up in the draft, but there were no takers. You'd probably be killing management and especially Sarver if the team did give up what it would have taken to move up in the draft.

I'm all for questioning teams' decisions, but it's not fair to just completely conjure up deals that they supposedly passed on when there's no reason to think they were really possible.

Joe

Okay Joe,

How do you know Phoenix couldn't have traded for Wilcox from the Clippers? I think the asking price would have been high, perhaps even including the Atlanta pick.

The reason I think he may have been there (for admittedly a huge asking price) is a video clip I saw on televsion where D'Antoni said something to the effect that since Wilcox went to Seattle and blew up the Suns will not be able to afford him now.

Now you can interpret this comment as you like, but I interpreted it as Wilcox was there for the right asking price, but the Clippers wanted too much in return from Phoenix.

In regard to my reference to the Suns not being able to get the #10 pick from Seattle for a up to three first rounders, this type of trade was even mentioned I believe by someone in the Suns organization and and was widely speculated about being on the table if not with Seattle... then another team.

I was just trying to point out that trying to pry a good player from Seattle would be very hard.

Besides, virtually every player has an asking price, even within the same divsion or conference.

 

[mribnik]

I'd rather have Kurt Thomas. IMO, he's very underrated on this board. Going from the 4th best defense in the league to the 16th after Kurt Thomas went down was no coincidence.

 

[asudevil83]

i'll just throw out a trade just because:

Marion+Jones+2007 First for Wilcox+Lewis

this would pretty much solidify our key players, and if any one of them were to go down, we would have a starting calibur player to step up in their place.

Wilcox/Thomas
Amare/Diaw
Lewis/Piatkowski
Bell/Barbosa
Nash/Sata

 

[Gaddabout]

What is the market for Wilcox? Reports had him seeking a Nene deal - six years, $60 million. If I've done the math correctly, all that's left for Wilcox outside of Seattle is the full MLE, which is 5 years, $31 mil max which I think only five teams have left. Seattle has balked at offering the same deal they offered Radmonivic, which was a 5-year, $43 million deal.

I admit Wilcox is very attractive at $6 to $8 mil a year, but the only player the Suns would be able to lure in a sign-and-trade is KT. I don't believe the Sonics would even listen to KT offers, nor do I think KT for Wilcox makes the Suns better. It also makes signing Diaw that much more complicated, because now you have a larger long-term contract you have to work around.

 

[SunsTzu]

It was rumored that Wilcox was looking for a 6 year 64mil contract which is just too much. The funny thing though is that Seattle doesn't think he's worth that much but they are asking for an all-star forward in a S&T.

 

[scotsman13]

just answer me one question what do you think that a 6'8" 230 lbs player who has been a back up almost his whole time in the nba, doesnt have range, wants to play small forward, doesnt have the ball handling skills of a small forward, a questionable work ethic would bring to this team, when his only good play has been in the second half a contract year?

 

[Joe Mama]

Okay Joe,

How do you know Phoenix couldn't have traded for Wilcox from the Clippers? I think the asking price would have been high, perhaps even including the Atlanta pick.

The reason I think he may have been there (for admittedly a huge asking price) is a video clip I saw on televsion where D'Antoni said something to the effect that since Wilcox went to Seattle and blew up the Suns will not be able to afford him now.

Now you can interpret this comment as you like, but I interpreted it as Wilcox was there for the right asking price, but the Clippers wanted too much in return from Phoenix.

In regard to my reference to the Suns not being able to get the #10 pick from Seattle for a up to three first rounders, this type of trade was even mentioned I believe by someone in the Suns organization and and was widely speculated about being on the table if not with Seattle... then another team.

I was just trying to point out that trying to pry a good player from Seattle would be very hard.

Besides, virtually every player has an asking price, even within the same divsion or conference.

actually, your post said that the Phoenix Suns made mistakes or "goofs" by not trading for Wilcox during the season or #10 in this draft. When did you hear D'Antoni talk about Chris Wilcox? I still don't believe the Clippers would have given him up to the Phoenix Suns for anything we would all consider reasonable. It would take a great package for them to give up a good bench player and more importantly help the division rival, especially when there was a good chance they would face us in the playoffs.

In other words, Seattle gave up Radmonovic to get Wilcox. I believe we would have had to do much better than that to get him.

Joe Mama

 

[Stewart]

I don't think that Wilcox could start over Diaw. Even if amare wants to defend the four, put Diaw on the opposite center. On the offensive end, the comparison of the two is for most funny. No way Wilcox can pass dribble and even shoot like Boris.

 

[slinslin]

From Hoopshype...

Player 2006/07 2007/08 2008/09 2009/10 2010/11
Shawn Marion $15,070,000 $16,440,000 $17,180,000 $0 $0
Amare Stoudemire $12,000,000 $13,260,000 $14,520,000 $15,780,000 $17,040,000
Steve Nash $10,500,000 $11,375,000 $12,250,000 $13,125,000 $0
Kurt Thomas $7,355,625 $8,091,187 $0 $0 $0
Raja Bell $4,500,000 $4,750,000 $5,000,000 $5,250,000 $0
James Jones $2,652,000 $2,904,000 $3,156,000 $0 $0
Howard Eisley $2,200,000 $0 $0 $0 $0
Boris Diaw $1,795,757 $2,587,685 $0 $0 $0
Leandrinho Barbosa $1,679,733 $2,502,802 $0 $0 $0
Pat Burke $810,000 $0 $0 $0 $0
TOTALS: $59,373,115 $56,820,187 $52,106,000 $21,030,000 $17,040,000

None of those totals are over the expected $62 million. We technically are not over the cap in any of these years.

In 08-09, if we keep all of our players (meaning the ones that we have signed, Marion, Amare, Nash, Bell, and Jones, we will be around $52 mil. If we signed near miminum contracts for the rest of our roster, we would not be in the luxury tax. Yes, this is unlikely, but given some of the views of Sarver on this board, it isn't that far-fetched.

Yes, trading Marion is likely to happen after next year. In your scenerio, Wilcox would take up about half of the savings that we would have by trading Marion. What do we do with Diaw? The amount that is left, will either barely cover, or will not be enough to resign him. Barbosa would have to be a walk as well.

This is assuming that Sarver would not go over the luxury tax.

Overall, I think that a S&T for Wilcox is not a good idea, because it hinders or may even prevent resigning Diaw.

lol... You are assuming we don't resign Diaw or Barbosa?

If we trade Thomas for Wilcox we are in the exact same luxury tax situation next season anyway.

 

[Mainstreet]

actually, your post said that the Phoenix Suns made mistakes or "goofs" by not trading for Wilcox during the season or #10 in this draft. When did you hear D'Antoni talk about Chris Wilcox? I still don't believe the Clippers would have given him up to the Phoenix Suns for anything we would all consider reasonable. It would take a great package for them to give up a good bench player and more importantly help the division rival, especially when there was a good chance they would face us in the playoffs.

In other words, Seattle gave up Radmonovic to get Wilcox. I believe we would have had to do much better than that to get him.

Joe Mama

Joe, you would have to give me my specific comments for me to respond accurately although I really think we have the same take on the Wilcox issue, but just a miscommunication.

As I think I said, the Suns would have had to offer the Clippers a very nice package to get Wilcox... probably much too nice for the Suns to be willing to give up.

However, I think he was available if the Suns were willing to pull the trigger. I know I kept thinking at the time that James Jones (already under contract) might be attractive to the Clippers, but they would also probably want the LA pick and the Atlanta pick as well.

The comments I heard about Wilcox was made on TV by D'Antoni sometime after he was traded to Seattle because D'Antoni made the reference that since Wilcox was traded to Seattle and blew up, the Suns would not be able to afford him now. Maybe these comments were made just before or after the trading deadline. It has been awhile back. I got the impression the Suns had looked at Wilcox to bolster their frontline with Amare down but the price was too high. Also I knew Radmonvic(sp) was a FA looking for some big money so he was no sure thing for the Clippers.

In regard to the Suns trying to move up in the draft, I intended it to be a separate issue but I included it as just a reflection of how hard it might be for the Suns to make a deal with Seattle. I now remember Vinny Del Negro on the radio saying the Suns were trying to move up in the Draft and were willing to give up two first round picks and even backload another first round pick to get the deal done.

Of course there was no mention of what teams the Suns were trying to move the picks, but it was widely speculated that Seattle might be willing to part with the #10 pick. Again this was intended as a totally a separate issue (as Wilcox was traded during the season).

 

[Goldfield]

If WIllcox can run the backup point or become a bigtime shotblocking center then we dont need him.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

Wilcox is another low post all offense no defense no rebound player, the suns don't need him, he wouldn't fit in this offense with Amare. No chance this will ever happen, ever.
I fail to understand the ongoing infatuation with this very average player.

 

[Mainstreet]

If WIllcox can run the backup point or become a bigtime shotblocking center then we dont need him.

I think you probably meant the word, can't.

Actually I think Wilcox would be a wonderful fit for the Suns but since the Suns probably cannot acquire him or afford him, it is probably a mute issue. I see Wilcox being able to play the 4/5 in the Suns system.