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On a Friday that produced more than its share of big deals, the Tampa Bay Bucs and defensive end Simeon Rice combined to strike one of the largest contract agreements in NFL history, ESPN.com has learned.

The two sides completed agreement on a five-year contract that totals $41 million and includes an initial signing bonus and a spring 2004 option bonus that is worth a combined $20 million. The deal, negotiated by agent Tom Condon of IMG Football, breaks new ground on several fronts.

Tampa Bay then followed up the Rice deal by reaching agreement with starting middle linebacker Shelton Quarles on a five-year contract that is worth $19.5 million. As is the case with Rice, the quickness of Quarles, who moved from the strong side to the middle this year, is a key for the Bucs and a defense that was rated No. 1 in the league in 2002.

The deal with Rice makes him the first $8 million-a-year defender and the combined $20 million in signing and option bonus payments tops the record $19 million total that Baltimore Ravens middle linebacker Ray Lewis got last summer.

Significant to the Bucs is that the contract reduces Rice's cap number for 2003 and allows the franchise much-needed wiggle room. Tampa Bay had just $600,000 in available cap space before the agreement and the team has been forced to hold up contract signings until it could create some space.

Unrestricted free agent guard Jason Whittle, for instance, agreed to a six-year, $8.2 million contract on Wednesday. But the contract could not be officially executed because the Bucs lacked the cap space to cover it.

With the additional room, Tampa Bay was able on Friday to complete Whittle's contract. The team is pursuing free agent center John Wade as well.

Rice, 29, had two seasons remaining on his existing contract and those were restructured. The deal was then extended by three additional years to create a five-year contract.

Under his old contract, Rice would have had an exorbitant cap value of $6.1 million for 2003.

A seven-year veteran, Rice emerged as one of the NFL's most dominant defenders in 2002. The former Illinois star collected 15½ sacks, posted 75 tackles and also had six forced fumbles and 11 pass deflections. In the Super Bowl, he dominated Oakland Raiders left tackle Barry Sims and set an early tone for the game with a sack of Rich Gannon on the opening series.

For his career, Rice has 78 sacks, and is one of the few active players in the league to average 10 or more sacks a season. A first-round pick of Arizona in the 1996 draft, he signed with Tampa Bay as a free agent in 2001.

Quarles, 31, appeared in his first Pro Bowl game in 2002. While he is not one of the more heralded players on the Tampa Bay defense, his ability to track receivers deep down the middle of the field is a vital component in the Bucs' trademark "cover two" scheme.

The six-year veteran had 159 tackles, two interceptions and five passes defensed last season. Quarles had begun to attract interest from some other teams in the past few days and likely would have started to make visits if a new deal with the Bucs hadn't been completed by the weekend.
 

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Wonderful

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy....a wonderful human being and role model who like David Boston just said will lead by example....if he was in my foxhole me thinks the words friendly fire would be appropriate.
 

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Rice should give part of that bonus to Tillman in my opinion for the comments this self absorbed idiot made. This ridiculous contract could make it harder to sign Colvin or Holliday. 20 mil , thats just plain STUPID!!!
 

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Re: Wonderful

Originally posted by BuckeyeCardinal
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy....a wonderful human being and role model who like David Boston just said will lead by example....if he was in my foxhole me thinks the words friendly fire would be appropriate.

like him or not he has the money and he has the ring. boston will have the money and i would not be surprised if he ends up with a ring. what do we have? maybe a lot of character but no winner in sight.
 

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If any of you have never had the pleasure to serve this great country of ours, I would humbly like to say, Pat Tillman and I and all our Brothers and Sisters in arms have something that Simeon and his 40 mil will never have.

Pride,

Honor,

and our countrymen's respect as many of you have kindly and gracefully pointed out.

Now enough about that jerk and back to CARDS FOOTBALL!!!!
 

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Originally posted by HarleyRider
If any of you have never had the pleasure to serve this great country of ours, I would humbly like to say, Pat Tillman and I and all our Brothers and Sisters in arms have something that Simeon and his 40 mil will never have.

Pride,

Honor,

and our countrymen's respect as many of you have kindly and gracefully pointed out.

Now enough about that jerk and back to CARDS FOOTBALL!!!!

Thank you Harley Rider......not on my team.....take a chance on the Dwayne Goodrich's and the Leonard Littles.....fill your team with Simeon Rices.
 

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Re: Re: Wonderful

Originally posted by john h
like him or not he has the money and he has the ring. boston will have the money and i would not be surprised if he ends up with a ring. what do we have? maybe a lot of character but no winner in sight.

He can have his money and ring. He will always be a prick too!

I am glad he is not on this team!
 

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Originally posted by HarleyRider
If any of you have never had the pleasure to serve this great country of ours, I would humbly like to say, Pat Tillman and I and all our Brothers and Sisters in arms have something that Simeon and his 40 mil will never have.

Pride,

Honor,

and our countrymen's respect as many of you have kindly and gracefully pointed out.

Now enough about that jerk and back to CARDS FOOTBALL!!!!

:thumbup:
 

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Originally posted by SunCityCarl
The two sides completed agreement on a five-year contract that totals $41 million and includes an initial signing bonus and a spring 2004 option bonus that is worth a combined $20 million. The deal, negotiated by agent Tom Condon of IMG Football, breaks new ground on several fronts.

The deal with Rice makes him the first $8 million-a-year defender and the combined $20 million in signing and option bonus payments tops the record $19 million total that Baltimore Ravens middle linebacker Ray Lewis got last summer.


How is Rice's deal different from Miller's huge deal a few years ago (the one that he collected about 50% of the total). The "option bonus" deal is confusing.

Both deals negotiated by IMG.
 

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WTF? This thread is almost 2 months old
 

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Just needed a little clarification.....so rather then start an entirely new thread, thought I would ask a follow-up on this one.

Simeon was on with Zenner two nights ago - kind of bought it make into the current day.
 

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Re: Re: Wonderful

Originally posted by john h
like him or not he has the money and he has the ring. boston will have the money and i would not be surprised if he ends up with a ring. what do we have? maybe a lot of character but no winner in sight.

Great for them. Boston I have no qualms about. But if you are trying to tell me that I should give ANY AMOUNT OF RESPECT TO SIMEON RICE THAN YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND. He is an *sshole. He is an insult to the game, to the value of money, and to humanity. He is so arrogant and self absorbed it is a joke.
By the way he won a "ring" by jumping on the bandwagon. It is like someone joining the Yankees and saying that they are the best player in baseball that they would never have done it without them.
The only reason he had a good year is because teams had to worry about Sapp, and McFarland. So Mr. Rice cashed in big deal. I will bet his production will fall like a rock in water next year since he has his money.
Just remember an *sshole with money and a ring is still an *sshole.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Wonderful

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
Great for them. Boston I have no qualms about. But if you are trying to tell me that I should give ANY AMOUNT OF RESPECT TO SIMEON RICE THAN YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND. He is an *sshole. He is an insult to the game, to the value of money, and to humanity. He is so arrogant and self absorbed it is a joke.
By the way he won a "ring" by jumping on the bandwagon. It is like someone joining the Yankees and saying that they are the best player in baseball that they would never have done it without them.
The only reason he had a good year is because teams had to worry about Sapp, and McFarland. So Mr. Rice cashed in big deal. I will bet his production will fall like a rock in water next year since he has his money.
Just remember an *sshole with money and a ring is still an *sshole.

Boy, that's a really ignorant thing to say. Did you watch any Bucs games over the years? I've followed them for the past four or five years, and Simeon was the catalyst for that D. They'd been good for years, but his passion, desire, and talent pushed that D to the level of the '00 Ravens and the '85 Bears. McFarland is really good, and Warren is kind of lame and nowhere near as good as he and sports broadcasters think he is, but Simeon elevated his game last season and may be the single best defensive end in the NFL right now. He should have been the Super Bowl MVP, but stupid people voting online screwed him over.

What he said about the Cards, the Valley, and Pat Tillman were true (except for the Rambo part, which was kind of dumb, but he's a football player). Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they're not true.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Wonderful

Originally posted by kerouac9


What he said about.........and Pat Tillman were true (except for the Rambo part, which was kind of dumb, but he's a football player). Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they're not true.

Kerouc - you just lost what credibility you had. So you agree with Simeon that Tillman was not a NFL-caliber player? That it was no big deal to give up the contract and join the Army???
 

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Re: Re: Re: Wonderful

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
Great for them. Boston I have no qualms about. But if you are trying to tell me that I should give ANY AMOUNT OF RESPECT TO SIMEON RICE THAN YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND. He is an *sshole. He is an insult to the game, to the value of money, and to humanity. He is so arrogant and self absorbed it is a joke.
By the way he won a "ring" by jumping on the bandwagon. It is like someone joining the Yankees and saying that they are the best player in baseball that they would never have done it without them.
The only reason he had a good year is because teams had to worry about Sapp, and McFarland. So Mr. Rice cashed in big deal. I will bet his production will fall like a rock in water next year since he has his money.
Just remember an *sshole with money and a ring is still an *sshole.

While he may be an cornholio and a jerk for syaing what he did about tillman - I really can't believe you minimize Simeon's talents. I mean come on - the guy had 12.5 sacks his rookie year - 10 his third and then 16.5 his second to last with us - with a pathetic starting cast around him. The guy was the last piece of the puzzle for a defense that needed an ultimate sack master - and he plays the run better now. We need to face it - even though the guy is biggest clown in the NFL - He is the best DE in the league right now and will be probably go into the Hall of Fame once his career is finished. That sucks, but in my opinion it's true.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wonderful

Originally posted by Dback Jon
Kerouc - you just lost what credibility you had. So you agree with Simeon that Tillman was not a NFL-caliber player? That it was no big deal to give up the contract and join the Army???

I agree that Tillman was not an NFL-caliber starting Strong Safety. It's borderline whether or not he was an NFL-caliber player. He was adored in the Valley, and Martz coached him, I believe, at ASU (or worked with him). I thought he was a liability to the D, and ought to only be used on special teams, but wouldn't really excel there, either (they send superior special teams players to the Pro Bowl).

I guess it was a big deal for him to give up the contract and join the Army, but no more than it would be if Krang puts his career on hold to enlist for a joint, or if a fireman were to, or an attorney, or a doctor, or whatever. The news reports said that Tillman turned down a "million-dollar" contract to become an Army Ranger. My suspiction has been that this would be a five-year, minimum salary deal with a $100K signing bonus, but to pay him much more would have been insanity.
 

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Beef- kerouak9 has no clue, but YOU?

Hall of fame??? Give me a break.

Simeon will be lucky to play more than next year for Tampa. They signed him to a minimum deal when he got on their bandwagon. Then they "paid him" for his good first year showing. Now they extended that contract, to save cap room for THIS year.

His big payday comes in the form of a "roster bonus" NEXT YEAR! The Buc's have done a great job of stringing Simeon along for three years. All they need to do is cut him next year, and like Jamir, another NFL team would have taken advantage of an athelete that had such a high opinion of himself, he couldn't BELIEVE that they wouldn't pay up when the big dough came due.

Simeon is a good pass rusher, that's it. There are 4 or 5 players on that defense that are more important to TB's success than Rice. When THEIR contracts are due...we'll see how important ole Simeon is to Tampa Bay.
 

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Originally posted by Lex
Simeon is a good pass rusher, that's it. There are 4 or 5 players on that defense that are more important to TB's success than Rice. When THEIR contracts are due...we'll see how important ole Simeon is to Tampa Bay.

I bet you that Simeon is in red and pewter come June 2 next year, and Sapp is looking for a job on that date.
 

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Originally posted by Lex
Beef- kerouak9 has no clue, but YOU?

Hall of fame??? Give me a break.

Simeon will be lucky to play more than next year for Tampa. They signed him to a minimum deal when he got on their bandwagon. Then they "paid him" for his good first year showing. Now they extended that contract, to save cap room for THIS year.

His big payday comes in the form of a "roster bonus" NEXT YEAR! The Buc's have done a great job of stringing Simeon along for three years. All they need to do is cut him next year, and like Jamir, another NFL team would have taken advantage of an athelete that had such a high opinion of himself, he couldn't BELIEVE that they wouldn't pay up when the big dough came due.

Simeon is a good pass rusher, that's it. There are 4 or 5 players on that defense that are more important to TB's success than Rice. When THEIR contracts are due...we'll see how important ole Simeon is to Tampa Bay.

Simeon was paid like 6.5 million last year - sheesh - I'd love to be strung along like that.
 

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Originally posted by SECTION 11
Here's Tillman's rankings from a 2001 keeper league, just for kicks. http://www.redeyesports.com/KeeperDBs.htm

Any list that ranks Brian Dawkins out of the Top 5 is totally illigitimate. Tillman made a lot of tackles because RBs made it up to him at the safety position. This fantasy ranking doesn't list the number of times that slow possession slot WRs blew past him for TDs.
 

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Originally posted by kerouac9
Any list that ranks Brian Dawkins out of the Top 5 is totally illigitimate. Tillman made a lot of tackles because RBs made it up to him at the safety position. This fantasy ranking doesn't list the number of times that slow possession slot WRs blew past him for TDs.




Anyone that pegs a guy with 224 tackles from the safety spot as not an NFL caliber player, is also illegitimate.

ProBowl? No.

Team-leading 14 tackles per game over 16 games? I'll take it.


Where was NFL caliber Kwamie when Tillman was making all these tackles?
 

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Originally posted by kerouac9
This fantasy ranking doesn't list the number of times that slow possession slot WRs blew past him for TDs.


Same goes for Zach Thomas and RB's out of the backfield, doesn't it?
 

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Originally posted by SECTION 11
Where was NFL caliber Kwamie when Tillman was making all these tackles?

My guess: Covering Tilly's vacant passing zones. Kwammie's a free safety, they play different positions.

This is like saying that McKinnon's an above-average player because he leads the team in tackles. That those tackles are all 4-5 yards in front of the line of scrimmage doesn't matter. The reason that Tilly got all those tackles was because no one was worried about blocking him. Why? Because he was easy to side-step due to his lack of speed.

If you really think that Tillman was an NFL, starting-caliber strong safety, on par with Rodney Harrison, Lawyer Milloy, and John Lynch, you're welcome to it. I'm glad that you don't run the personnel department and Cards camp, and wish you'd apply for the job in Tampa, or Oakland, or wherever. Adrian Wilson was going to take his job.
 
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