Simmons on the Suns

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All I can say is " :D "

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/simmons/030422.html


9. Phoenix (voted off by San Antonio, 4-3)
And this prediction comes from a guy who wagered on the Suns to win the series in six (at 15-to-1 odds, no less). Every San Antonio weakness -- difficulties defending quality point guards, below-average small forwards, trouble getting Duncan good shots if the other team has size -- are strengths for the Suns. If the stars align going into Game 6, and they head back to Phoenix with a 3-2 lead, I honestly believe they could finish off the Spurs. That's why I backed them. I think they're one of five teams who could win the title this year ... and no, I'm not kidding.

Will it happen? This is the only Round One series that looks like it could go seven games, and we all know that the NBA would never let eight playoff series unfold without at least one of them going seven, even if they have to assign Dick Bavetta to six games in 48 hours to make it happen. And I can't shake the feeling that these Suns are a year away -- this is one of those "get-your-feet-wet" series, like the Kings against the Jazz in '98. So I'll go with the Spurs here. Even if it kills me.

Regardless of what happens, the Suns were directly involved with two of the three most important developments of the season (the other being Yao, of course):

Stephon Marbury
Stephon Marbury's running 3-pointer won Game 1 for the eighth-seeded Suns.

# Stephon Marbury evolving into a viable MVP candidate. Not since Isiah has a point guard been so destructive off the dribble; he's basically doing whatever the hell he wants. Someday, we might remember that Kidd-Marbury trade as the most important trade of the decade. Seriously. And just for the record, I had him right behind Duncan, KG, McGrady and Kobe on my MVP ballot, even though I don't have a ballot (just play along). Remember when we were arguing about The Next Great Point Guard and comparing Andre Miller and Baron Davis? Those guys aren't even in the same ballpark as Marbury. Just an astounding turn of events.

(And what about the parallels between Marbury and Chris Webber, two young studs who were supposed to become superstars, struggled, changed teams not once but twice, seemed unredeemable, and just when we gave up on them, they put everything together in their seventh season? You gotta love the NBA sometimes.)

# A few months ago, Bob Ryan compared Amare Stoudemire to Roy Tarpley and Moses Malone. Rare company. And I agree. Maybe I would throw in a little Shawn Kemp as well, because of the way he dunks on people, but the message remains the same: Stoudemire is the most important forward to enter the league in five years. When he's feeling it, he overpowers you, the same way Shaq does and the same way Moses did back in the day. He's a force of nature.

What does this all mean? Well, the Suns suddenly have the best under-30 point guard, the best under-25 forward not named "Dirk," and one of the best small forwards in the league. Put it this way: They aren't going anywhere for awhile. Just what we needed, another powerhouse in the West.
 

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one of the best articles I have ever read - I agree we are like the Scaramento team back when they first started to charge - but what will end up separating us from them is this - They have one guy who wants the lost shot - Bibby - we have Steph and Amare (who ain't no wuss like that Beeyatch C-Webb is come palyoff time) - two years and this team wins the title - my prediction
 
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Does anyone realize that as soon as next year, Shawn Marion, a potential 20 and 10 guy will be our third option? Stoudemire, in my opinion, has every chance to become a top tier, franchise player. Add in a point guard who can score whenever he wants, dish like anybody else in the league, clamp down on defense, then throw in an all-star small forward who can score 25 points and grab 13 rebounds without anyone ever consciously trying to get him the ball. I love this team.
 

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is this like the most talented suns team ever????

or was there a compareable team back in the days?
 

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Originally posted by King A
is this like the most talented suns team ever????

or was there a compareable team back in the days?

Are you kidding me? You must not be a Suns fan very long - Barkley (MVP), KJ, Majerle, Dumas, Ceballos, Ainge, Tom Chambers, Oliver Miller, Mark West (1993)
KJ, Hornacek, Majerle, Chambers (avg. 27/per), Mark West, EJ(off the bench), Ty Corbin, Mark West (1988)
Kidd, Chapman, KJ, Nash, McDyess, Robinson, Manning (1998)

To name a few in the modern era (or since I started watching - circa 1988)

Don't get me wrong, I like the pieces we are putting together, but most talented ever- not yet - not by a long shot.
 

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Boy, that article really puts a smile on the face of this Phoenix Suns fan. There's at least one national sports writer who likes Marbury. :)

I do agree that the Phoenix Suns could win the title this year if all the stars fell into alignment. However I would never say it to a national audience without expecting to be laughed at. And I understand that.

It's exciting to see the Suns getting some national attention like this. I just hope they can at least stretch this series out, so all of the attention isn't gone in a few days.

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no, i knew these teams. i mean i didn't got to watch them since i'm 21 and in germany, so i was quite satisfied when the tv repeated the '93 finals during the lockout and i got to tape them.

but what i meant was like: the most talented team from an "give 'em time and all will be rocking the nba hard"-perspective. like that there's so many talent that needs time to get out, but when, this could be the best suns team ever
 

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I would argue that this team "COULD" be the best the suns have had...


The 93 team was damn good, that one will be tuff to beat...

I didnt know Chambers played with Sir Charles...?


But, when the young guyz on this team hit their prime, watch out...

We dont only have the big 3 in Steph, Amare, and Matrix. But Joe Johnson is only 20 years old, a lottery pick, that seems to be extremely talented... He is our future SG, he can score, dribble, pass, and shoot. The guy plays defense, is tall, and can play PG, SG, as well as SF...

He is a natural SG, but I would love to use him to back up Marion and Steph in the furure...


Ok the best team..? Not yet, but get me Ben Wallace with the other four guys I mentioned and then well talk

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
 

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I just went back and read this entire article. I might not agree with some of the minor specifics, but overall I couldn't find one meaningful part of it that I disagreed with.

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Originally posted by King A
no, i knew these teams. i mean i didn't got to watch them since i'm 21 and in germany, so i was quite satisfied when the tv repeated the '93 finals during the lockout and i got to tape them.

but what i meant was like: the most talented team from an "give 'em time and all will be rocking the nba hard"-perspective. like that there's so many talent that needs time to get out, but when, this could be the best suns team ever

Oh I agree - this not only could be the best Suns and most talented Suns team ever . . . IT WILL BE. It's just not at that level yet.
 

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Wow - just think if we had a consistent, strong center in the starting 5 like Theo Ratliff or Mutombo clogging the lanes - how scary would this team be then??!! :D
Too bad some players' contracts (emphasis on Gugliota) won't make it happen.

Starting Five
PG - Starbury
SG - JJ/Penny
SF - Matrix
PG - Studamire
C - Voskhul/Big Jake :confused:
 

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u just call mutumbo and ratliff consistant strong centers???

how many games has ratliff missed in the past 3 years?? what about mutumbo this year? he might have been good, but I mean 85 year olds arent really consistant. Watch a NJ game and you will regret saying you ever wanted him. :D
 

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graham - i listed those two centers because those were the first two that popped into my head. i don't really watch any basketball other than the suns and as of now, the lakers/wolves series (to see what kind of a matchup the suns will go against next round :D )
I know these guys have been plagued by injuries, especially Mutombo but they have the bulk and height that we desperately are missing at the center position. What are some decent Centers that are going to be FAs this coming offseason? Any chance we could acquire any of them...
 

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brad miller is the only decent FA...but we wont be able to sign him. Jake should do just fine if he gets the PT, especially if we can rotate our more athletic players in for a faster tempo. Ratliff missed probably like 80% of the games since he was injured back when he played for Philly.
 

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Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
brad miller is the only decent FA...
Nesterovic,Olowokandi and Campbell are FA's too.

If we are taking PF/C's into the consideration then

Howard,Skinner,Clark and Coleman are FA's too.
 

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forgot about rasho....he was talking about pure centers....olowokandi i didnt count because he just isnt worth the headache...and campbell has played like ass all season i think
 

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I think coleman would be a good fit at center on this team....

but thats just me. :)
 

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Originally posted by WastedFate
I think coleman would be a good fit at center on this team....

but thats just me. :)

That's not just you.

I also think that Coleman would be probably a good fit. Although he is a bit slow and unathletic his fine mid-range J and 3P-shooting would be very servicable for the Suns.
Last 2 years his attitude became better and he was always a good post-up player and a sometimes tough, bigbody PF/C.
 

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Maybe Coleman has changed his ways this season, but every team Coleman plays for does better without him in the lineup than when he plays. I wouldn't mind a Keon Clark, but he'll either be too expensive or re-signed by the Kings.
 

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Coleman has a long history of NOT being helpful to his teams. Keon Clark is exactly the type of player to add. He is a long athletic center that blocks shots and rebounds. He is the perfect balance to Tsak.

I really like little Jake this year. I would be glad to have him as a starter IF he were a better shot blocker.
 

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Both Jake's can improve a lot this offseason if they put in the time and effort. I think effort has been big Jake's biggest downfall because he looks like he spends his summers like Rodney Rogers used to. It would be great if the coaching staff or at least the coach that does the big man camps would just spend the entire summer with these guys and develop them everyday.

Big Jake shouldn't need the time off anyways with all the games he missed this season.
 

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Originally posted by JCSunsfan


I really like little Jake this year. I would be glad to have him as a starter IF he were a better shot blocker.

A better shotblocker (and tougher) version of Voskuhl?Isn't this Adonal Foyle?
And he is still not a starting C.
 

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Isn't this Adonal Foyle?
And he is still not a starting C.


But Foyle certainly could be a starter, especially on a team that doesn't need him to score much. He played 20+ minutes per game and was more likely to be on the floor in the fourth quarter than Dampier.

I would love to have Foyle on the Suns, but I don't see how it could happen.
 

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Is Foyle really as active as Voshkul? I haven't watched him play much, but he seems like a bruiser more than an energy guy and hustles for loose balls and rebounds and occasionally scores some points on put backs and layups. I also don't remember Foyle being very quick or agile and I think little Jake has those qualities for a center.
 
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