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I disagree. I think you can argue that Nurkic gave us more his first two months but I think he was a waste most nights from late February on and he's been even worse this season. Getting Grayson was a plus but IMO he exceeded expectations by quite a bit. Ignoring contracts, I still believe DA is a better player than Nurkic (easily) or Grayson (solidly) and at the time, giving up Camara just made a slightly bad deal even worse. JMO.
I guess we will see the next couple games. I just see Trailblazer fans wanting him off the team every forum I go to online. Plus he's paid WAY more than Nurkic.

I still think he's got tremendous physical potential. Just mentally he's too soft.
 

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I guess we will see the next couple games. I just see Trailblazer fans wanting him off the team every forum I go to online. Plus he's paid WAY more than Nurkic.

I still think he's got tremendous physical potential. Just mentally he's too soft.
Yeah when you throw in the money it probably evens the trade up some. And if DA were still here we'd be screaming our heads off about the bum too, but as bad as he is he's still much better than Nurkic. It's just he's so damned irritating given his physical gifts.
 

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Yeah when you throw in the money it probably evens the trade up some. And if DA were still here we'd be screaming our heads off about the bum too, but as bad as he is he's still much better than Nurkic. It's just he's so damned irritating given his physical gifts.
Totally. It's like watching a guy capable of being an Anthony Davis when AD is healthy, but watching him play down to lesser centers and disappear for sometimes whole games. With a different mindset, this guy is one of the top centers in the NBA, and could have possibly been one of the all time greats. He just squanders his physical abilities.
 

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What I'm looking at right now is Ayton's $35,550,814 expiring contract next season.

He is better than Nurkic now and his contract would have more value going forward.
 

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What I'm looking at right now is Ayton's $35,550,814 expiring contract next season.

He is better than Nurkic now and his contract would have more value going forward.
I wouldn't mind him as a back up center when he hits free agency. Anyone think he's going to make $35 million a year again? :shrug:
 

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I wouldn't mind him as a back up center when he hits free agency. Anyone think he's going to make $35 million a year again? :shrug:

Ayton will not command that kind of money in free agency. He would be fine as a starter as long as he is not overpaid. That's the problem.

The Suns got taken to the woodshed on that trade, although Allen makes it hurt a bit less.
 

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Ayton was great in the bucks game. Did a lot of things we don’t see on the box score. They tried switching Dame on him and Ayton’s perimeter D contained him time after time. He does those things we need right now. His impact is underrated despite his frustrations seen by the eye test.
 

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Ayton will not command that kind of money in free agency. He would be fine as a starter as long as he is not overpaid. That's the problem.

The Suns got taken to the woodshed on that trade, although Allen makes it hurt a bit less.
IDK, I think Portland has some REAL buyer's remorse on that trade. People I read from there say THEY got taken to the woodshed. That PHX dumped their problem on Portland and that we should have given them first round picks, not just a second.
 

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Ayton was great in the bucks game. Did a lot of things we don’t see on the box score. They tried switching Dame on him and Ayton’s perimeter D contained him time after time. He does those things we need right now. His impact is underrated despite his frustrations seen by the eye test.
He was great guarding smaller players. Other bigs, not so much. IDK if it was the coaches strategy or Ayton's, but he always switched to the smaller guy out by the three point line, and never dropped back to cover the big, and we got burned with a small covering a big repeatedly. Other teams played for that switch. It got to be something you saw each and every game.
 

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IDK, I think Portland has some REAL buyer's remorse on that trade. People I read from there say THEY got taken to the woodshed. That PHX dumped their problem on Portland and that we should have given them first round picks, not just a second.

The question, would the Suns do this trade again, looking back? I don't think so. Nurkic is not even playing for the Suns.
 

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The question, would the Suns do this trade again, looking back? I don't think so. Nurkic is not even playing for the Suns.
I don't know about that. The anti Ayton sentiment was SOOOOO HIGH. People play revisionist history all the time. I was AMAZED we only gave up Camara, who wasn't even showing as much as Ryan Dunn, and a second and we got back the best available center at the time in Nurkic, and Grayson Allen. Granted, I didn't think Nurkic was that great, but that was more a reflection on how bad Ayton had become for us. The other two guys were developmental and we just didn't develop guys then, case in point Ayton.

As it turns out, Allen was a steal for us. The trade market for Allen is way better than it is for Ayton. Nurkic could still be serviceable, but he is becoming toxic by his own antics. If he played halfway like he did last season he would be our back up right now. If I use your logic on assets, we can't know who won what without the guys both clubs got, get traded and we see what that trade result turned out to be.
 

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I don't know about that. The anti Ayton sentiment was SOOOOO HIGH. People play revisionist history all the time. I was AMAZED we only gave up Camara, who wasn't even showing as much as Ryan Dunn, and a second and we got back the best available center at the time in Nurkic, and Grayson Allen. Granted, I didn't think Nurkic was that great, but that was more a reflection on how bad Ayton had become for us. The other two guys were developmental and we just didn't develop guys then, case in point Ayton.

As it turns out, Allen was a steal for us. The trade market for Allen is way better than it is for Ayton. Nurkic could still be serviceable, but he is becoming toxic by his own antics. If he played halfway like he did last season he would be our back up right now. If I use your logic on assets, we can't know who won what without the guys both clubs got, get traded and we see what that trade result turned out to be.
Ayton was unhappy that he was only the 4th option, and Suns also couldn't afford 4 max deals going forward. So, the main part of the trade was not a problem at that time. The only problem was the non-sensible inclusion of Camara, who showed in summer league plays to be a solid rotation player right away, athletic and savvy on both ends, at a position of Suns need. I guess they overrated the min signings that summer and Goodwin's ability. In hindsight, replace Camara with Goodwin, keep Cam at PG would have been much better, or just drop both Camara dn Keon Johnson from the deal.
 

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Ayton was great in the bucks game. Did a lot of things we don’t see on the box score. They tried switching Dame on him and Ayton’s perimeter D contained him time after time. He does those things we need right now. His impact is underrated despite his frustrations seen by the eye test.

It's more than the eye test, it's the every night test. Ayton couldn't pass that. That hasn't changed. He'll tease fans with glimpses of what he can do and then disappear once he receives that praise for showing up.
 
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