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VJ is not a good DC
We need someone with a much simpler system that frees up the players and allows them to use their skills
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VJ is not a good DC
We need someone with a much simpler system that frees up the players and allows them to use their skills
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If you read reviews on Denver sites nobody ever understood why they hired Vance in the first place. He was only a DC for 2 years, in Miami and they were not great. They made the playoffs the first year but Adam Gase was such a disaster as HC that Vance sort of got lucky. He had a bunch of connections in Colorado and that got him the interview and the hire. When they fired him Elway said he'd made a big mistake that he made his mind up before going through the process and it led to him making a huge mistake hiring Vance.
If you look at Denver sites when he was hired the running joke was they do realize he's NOT Vance Johnson?
The criticism in Denver was the same it is here guys were confused in the defense, why is Von Miller dropping into coverage etc. I don't think he's awful but I think he's part of the problem.
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Has Vance ever coached an elite defense?
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Anthony Barr hasn’t exactly lived up to this draft status either, but Isaiah turned out to be Barr, I would be fine with that.
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Barr knows where to play, drafted as a pass rusher was moved to ilb learning a new position, Simmons seems like he started from zero without learning too much, i question also his strenght cause he is moved around like a rag doll by linemen
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Isiah Simmons is an athletic freak of nature, he should be standing over the A gap and shooting in to the quarterback with burst that nobody else has.
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Speed is overrated if he slow to recognize a play, then he can't disengage from blockers
Im pretty disappointed with his passs rush ability
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If you give him a clear assignment he can play fast and use his athletic talents. If he's too slow mentally to play what you are giving him then change your scheme. It comes down to coaching to make it work.
No speed is not overrated
We’ve never seen his pass rushing abilities they used him to shoot gaps at Clemson something we flat out do not do with anyone.
VJ plays the most passive BS defense I’ve ever seen
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You can blame Vance for overall issues. Simmons is playing poorly all by himself.Annnnnnd?
Ain't Vance making him not wrap up. Ain't Vance making him run past his gap. Ain't Vance making him get lost in coverage.
Steve Keim has drafted 4 first round Ilbs in the last 8 years and they have all sucked
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There is something u like about the Cardinals? just asking
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It is the Reddick situation all over again. They took an athletic guy and put him in a box that value instinctive LB traits over athletic traits. They essentially put him in a spot that highlights all of his weaknesses and none of his strengths.
I think you are letting him being drafted over Wirfs (which I wanted as much if not more than you) skew how bad of a situation Vance has put him in.
Chopper0080
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If I ask you do complete tasks with your off hand you are likely to be less proficient than you would be with your dominant hand. That is what VAnce is doing to Simmons.
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Only the leftovers of Denver's.
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Same guys who is playing Budda as a single high S vs a box S. Vance does not care about what his players do best. He cares about what players can do the best job in his predetermined roles. What I mean by this is that Vance doesn't care about what Budda does best and instead only cares that Budda is the player who can best execute his high S role.
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As someone else said Barr was drafted as a pass rusher but then moved inside. he's never been great but they don't use him as a pass rusher which is what got him into the first round.
Simmons is a great athlete he just seems to lack instincts.
Right now we have veterans who understand the system and aren't athletic enough to make plays, and 2 young guys who are athletic enough but don't seem to understand the system. I also wonder with Simmons why all the penalties and the late hit stuff, even last night he hit a guy in the head with an elbow when he was down and luckily got away with it. That stuff has to stop
All this blame game doesn't negate the fact he was playing well and then wasn't. Vance didn't change the scheme 6 games ago.
It's no different to Kyler. He was playing great and no he isn't and that's all on him too.
This is gonna turn into a drinking game. How many times can Chopper bring up wanting to draft Wirfs.
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What did they say on here about Whiz and his "system"? Same could be said about VJ and his "system".
Chopper0080
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Simmons was overrunning gaps and late on reads this entire season. It just wasn't highlighted until the league saw it, started attacking him, and we started losing.
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Prepare to get ****** up.
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I actually love Zaven Collins/Rondale Moore potential, but Im leaning towards being like this about Creed Humphrey as well
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What are his strengths? He can’t play deep cause he too clunky in his legs. He can’t play in the box because he still does everything wrong by a fundamental standpoint. He can’t play EDGE cause he’ll get locked by any average OT. He’s not good in coverage unless he’s covering a 9 route. If we drafted a guy at 8th overall who strength is blitzing……..good Lord.
