Sixers @ Suns 1-2-19

[CardsSunsDbacks]

People are seriously complaining about a star player yelling at a rookie? Seriously?

Welcome to the 21st century...

I know in the past it wasn't uncommon for the vets of the team to treat rookies like crap.

 

[1tinsoldier]

People are seriously complaining about a star player yelling at a rookie? Seriously?

oh, look. Sargent SirStefan of the thought police is on patrol himself tonight instead of one of his deputies

PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR "IGNORE" LIST
seriously

"In the heat of the moment" and "crunch-time" seemed much the same thing in this situation.

I'm not sure how you wanted Booker to communicate an urgent missed assignment.

yes. as i said. in the heat of that moment they all needed to focus on scoring.

and, as i said, i wanted him to communicate his displeasure 15 seconds later -- after the game
unless, without his distraction, they got off a better shot that led to them forcing overtime.
then, wait 5 minutes and 15 seconds to vent
or, better yet. let the coach do it

again, there's no place for personal T's or losses of composure in critical moments

i'm sure there are a few examples of stars losing it on teammates in crunch-time
(Westbrook types)
but i've never seen it from any of the stars i've admired
and i'm sure their level of focus helped make them winners
and respected leaders

 

[Mainstreet]

yes. as i said. in the heat of that moment they all needed to focus on scoring.

and, as i said, i wanted him to communicate his displeasure 15 seconds later -- after the game
unless, of course, without his distraction they got off a better shot that lead to them forcing overtime
then, wait 5 minutes and 15 seconds to vent
or, better yet. let the coach do it

and as i said, there's no place for personal T's or losses of composure in critical moments

i'm sure there are a few examples of stars losing it on teammates in crunch-time
(Westbrook types)
but i've never seen it from any of the stars i've admired
and i'm sure their focus helped make them winners

Booker didn't have the luxury until waiting until after the game to communicate the mistake on the in-bounds play.

 

[1tinsoldier]

then he had the luxury of losing
again

 

[elindholm]

I like Booker a lot, but his biggest problem right now is that he isn't as good as he thinks he is. His second biggest problem is that he's a lousy passer.

 

[1tinsoldier]

Booker does a good job of racking up assists.
it helps that he's such an offensive threat that he's often doubled
but, indeed, too often his passes are way off the mark
most notably, like others, when they try to feed Ayton low

 

[BC867]

This is a young team, so I expect growing pains and mistakes. Same thing goes with the coach. He is inexperienced so I expect growing pains and mistakes to be made.

I have to respond as I have when something like this was posted before. With as many inexperienced Head Coaches and General Managers as the Suns have gone through (as well as player turnover and overloaded with too many young players), inexperience is not an alibi. It is the Suns standard operating procedure. Fans deserve better. I see no reason for condoning it.

 

[taz02]

Not to pile on but he is also a bad three point shooter. He is ranked 129th in 3p% among the 144 players on pace to shoot at least 1 per game.

For reference Ariza is ranked 102nd.

 

[BC867]

I admit that I don't watch the games too much anymore, but, when I do watch, it seems that Booker does not play well at all. I notice unforced turn overs, seemingly more missed shots (many easy looking) and missed free throws.

I will look at the box score and he will be shooting really bad percentages. He also seems to do a lot of one on one dribbling a lot (s has been noted).

Hopefully, these things improve down the road.

They will "miraculously" improve when DBook moves back to his natural position of Shooting Guard.

But management was too quick to take the easy way out and add running and defending the Point to his leading scorer role and now they are stuck behind the 8-ball.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Not to pile on but he is also a bad three point shooter. He is ranked 129th in 3p% among the 144 players on pace to shoot at least 1 per game.

For reference Ariza is ranked 102nd.

Well, we know he is not actually a bad 3 point shooter despite the stats. He is a bad 3 point shooter when he plays injured as he has for much of this season and far too often over his short career. When healthy, he is a very good 3 point shooter. We just need to stop the nonsense, sit him when he's not healthy.

My problem with Booker is that he's taking advice from the wrong people. Some of the most ball dominant, shoot first guards of this century have given him advice (Westbrook, Wade, Bryant for example) and he's apparently taken it to heart. They've told him to not accept mediocre play from his teammates, don't worry about being a nice guy just get up in their faces when they do something wrong and then there's the whole Kobe "if you have the ball late in the game, you're automatically open" mentality.

 

[1tinsoldier]

yes, to be fair, Booker is a better 3 point shooter than his stats reflect
-- a very good clutch 3 point shooter too
his problem is that he forces too many shots by playing hero-ball

imo, the blowup stuff is linked
his lack of faith in his teammates, and, i speculate, his coach
drives him to take on too much himself

 

[1tinsoldier]

My problem with Booker is that he's taking advice from the wrong people. Some of the most ball dominant, shoot first guards of this century have given him advice (Westbrook, Wade, Bryant for example) and he's apparently taken it to heart. They've told him to not accept mediocre play from his teammates, don't worry about being a nice guy just get up in their faces when they do something wrong and then there's the whole Kobe "if you have the ball late in the game, you're automatically open" mentality.

he's definitely never had quality mentor-ship on the Suns
you think we could've at least added Nash here as a consultant
instead of him going to the Warriors?

 

[Hoop Head]

oh, look. Sargent SirStefan of the thought police is on patrol himself tonight instead of one of his deputies

PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR "IGNORE" LIST
seriously



yes. as i said. in the heat of that moment they all needed to focus on scoring.

and, as i said, i wanted him to communicate his displeasure 15 seconds later -- after the game
unless, without his distraction, they got off a better shot that led to them forcing overtime.
then, wait 5 minutes and 15 seconds to vent
or, better yet. let the coach do it

again, there's no place for personal T's or losses of composure in critical moments

i'm sure there are a few examples of stars losing it on teammates in crunch-time
(Westbrook types)
but i've never seen it from any of the stars i've admired
and i'm sure their level of focus helped make them winners
and respected leaders

You want to call someone else the thought police while you sit there and say what Booker should have done. That's rich.

 

[taz02]

Well, we know he is not actually a bad 3 point shooter despite the stats. He is a bad 3 point shooter when he plays injured as he has for much of this season and far too often over his short career. When healthy, he is a very good 3 point shooter. We just need to stop the nonsense, sit him when he's not healthy.

My problem with Booker is that he's taking advice from the wrong people. Some of the most ball dominant, shoot first guards of this century have given him advice (Westbrook, Wade, Bryant for example) and he's apparently taken it to heart. They've told him to not accept mediocre play from his teammates, don't worry about being a nice guy just get up in their faces when they do something wrong and then there's the whole Kobe "if you have the ball late in the game, you're automatically open" mentality.

His career 3p% of .358 would put him at 85th out of 144 players with at least one per game.

I'm not trying to dis Booker. He is in a tough spot. I was just surprised at where he ranks. I considered Ariza's 3p shooting to be horrible this season and was surprised to see he was shooting better than Booker. Booker needs help and needs it fast.

 

[AzStevenCal]

His career 3p% of .358 would put him at 85th out of 144 players with at least one per game.

I'm not trying to dis Booker. He is in a tough spot. I was just surprised at where he ranks. I considered Ariza's 3p shooting to be horrible this season and was surprised to see he was shooting better than Booker. Booker needs help and needs it fast.

Like I said, he doesn't shoot well when playing through injury as he has for much of this season and throughout his career. Bad 3 point shooters do not win the 3 point shooting contest, they don't even get invited. But yes, he needs help and he needs to stop trying to be like Mike and Kobe and not play injured. He doesn't have the athleticism to survive a small dip in quickness or hops.

 

[1tinsoldier]

You want to call someone else the thought police while you sit there and say what Booker should have done. That's rich.

rich? i posted:

perfectly understandable to react that way -- in your head! then verbalize it after the game,

i didn't tell anyone what to think. only what i'd like to see Booker do on the basketball court

we all sit here and say what Booker and every other player in the league should or shouldn't do

a few weeks ago, you thought i may have included you with the thought police
i guess i should have clarified then.
there are only a few here who are overly intolerant of posts they don't agree with
i didn't consider you as one of them
normally, i find your posts logical and reasonable

 

[1Sun]

Like I said, he doesn't shoot well when playing through injury as he has for much of this season and throughout his career. Bad 3 point shooters do not win the 3 point shooting contest, they don't even get invited. But yes, he needs help and he needs to stop trying to be like Mike and Kobe and not play injured. He doesn't have the athleticism to survive a small dip in quickness or hops.

Again, he's Klay Thompson, not Kobe or MJ or Steph Curry (though ironically pretty darn close to Dell Curry) or James Harden. The coach, starting with Hornacek and Watson and now Igor, has failed to reinforce that, though use or through communication.

 

[taz02]

How about...Bookers three point shooting in regular season NBA games is below average, significantly below average this season......

I'm sure it would improve with a competent PG.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I have to respond as I have when something like this was posted before. With as many inexperienced Head Coaches and General Managers as the Suns have gone through (as well as player turnover and overloaded with too many young players), inexperience is not an alibi. It is the Suns standard operating procedure. Fans deserve better. I see no reason for condoning it.

Because you deal with what you’ve got. We have young talented players. You can’t make them magically more experienced. If you believe in their talent you have to ride with their inexperience and hope they grow. If you don’t believe in their talent you trade them - likely for quarters on the dollar - for more experienced vets, and imo settle in for prolonged mediocrity.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I like Booker a lot, but his biggest problem right now is that he isn't as good as he thinks he is. His second biggest problem is that he's a lousy passer.

I think he thinks he’s the best player on this team. It’s tough to argue with that.

He’s a confident dude but I don’t think he’s arrogant. I think he knows his limitations but is being forced to play outside and above those due to our lack of a pg. I think his game changes considerably . . . for the better witha true pg and as our teams projected talent evolves into actual nba talent.

 

[1tinsoldier]

Again, he's Klay Thompson, not Kobe or MJ or Steph Curry (though ironically pretty darn close to Dell Curry) or James Harden. The coach, starting with Hornacek and Watson and now Igor, has failed to reinforce that, though use or through communication.

those coaches were probably so happy to have a stud on their roster that they were eager to please him and hope for Kobe-like results

but Kobe's early career benefited from the strong leadership of the zen-master, Phil Jackson as well as Shaq-daddy. and those were his best years

 

[Chaplin]

I think he thinks he’s the best player on this team. It’s tough to argue with that.

He’s a confident dude but I don’t think he’s arrogant. I think he knows his limitations but is being forced to play outside and above those due to our lack of a pg. I think his game changes considerably . . . for the better witha true pg and as our teams projected talent evolves into actual nba talent.

Right. If the opposite was true, he wouldn't actually be improving every single year he's been in the league.

 

[FB94]

After watching the first half of the sixers game, and seeing a Philly parade to the foul line. Then josh Jackson gets fouled near the end of the half and no call, and what did Igor do, NOTHING!!! At that exact time he needed to get pissed, fight for his guys and get a Tech, maybe two. I am sick of the Tom Landry demeanor with this guy. It’s OK to show some passion or maybe rip into someone during a game.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

After watching the first half of the sixers game, and seeing a Philly parade to the foul line. Then josh Jackson gets fouled near the end of the half and no call, and what did Igor do, NOTHING!!! At that exact time he needed to get pissed, fight for his guys and get a Tech, maybe two. I am sick of the Tom Landry demeanor with this guy. It’s OK to show some passion or maybe rip into someone during a game.

I really didn't see a foul on that play. Josh initiated the contact and the defender just stood there with his arms straight up. Also not all successful coaches have an expressive demeanor. I see absolutely nothing wrong with him being as cool as a cucumber because that ability to stay calm during adversity can rub off on the players as well.

 

[1Sun]

I really didn't see a foul on that play. Josh initiated the contact and the defender just stood there with his arms straight up. Also not all successful coaches have an expressive demeanor. I see absolutely nothing wrong with him being as cool as a cucumber because that ability to stay calm during adversity can rub off on the players as well.

Unfortunately what are rubbing off on the players are passivity and lethargy.