SK is not happy

[Finito]

That's missing my point. Watford wasn't even on this roster at the beginning of the season. We did not count on him as a starter. He got picked up off the street when all of our linemen were down and we just needed someone who knew the playbook.

Totally different than Keim trying to roll with him instead of Iupati.

Don't even bother anymore

 

[Vacard]

Keim needs to go, none of his draft prospects have been good this year with the exception of Baker. Avoiding the qb has caused a toll on this team too. Drafting studs like Buchanon over Bridgewater and Carr is sacrilege. 2016 draft was just awful.

 

[NJCardFan]

Dude get a grip your acting like we're the Browns, we are going to be hovering around .500 I swear you would think this is the 0-16 lions the way some guys talk.

Name me one impact player not names David Johnson or a healthy Tyrann Mathieu this guy has drafted. You can't. Like I said, 36 picks and maybe 4 or 5 are worth a damn.

 

[NJCardFan]

That's missing my point. Watford wasn't even on this roster at the beginning of the season. We did not count on him as a starter. He got picked up off the street when all of our linemen were down and we just needed someone who knew the playbook.

Totally different than Keim trying to roll with him instead of Iupati.

But he originally drafted Watford.

 

[BigRedRage]

This is Watford's 5th season. If he's not ready by now he never will be.

Watford was brought in off the street due to injuries.

 

[Southpaw]

Keim has quite a bit of catching up to accomplish in this division alone. Seahawks will probably fade, but Rams are light years ahead and 49ers have a head start. It could be a rough 3-4 years. I can see a scenario where Keim will concentrate on the offensive side of the roster. The skill positions are fading and the O line is a disaster.

 

[NJCardFan]

interesting take from Wolfley / Calvisi this am prior to the Keim interview;


both noted that Keim cannot be distracted by the injuries as the reason the season didnt turn out as planned, and, needs to be prepared to make hard decisions. Noted the NFC west has now fully turned over -- Rams on top, 49ers looking to be better, SEA in a transition spot --- also noted (duh) the Gabbert is clearly not QBOF, and, jury is out on if he is a stop gap


i say this because i think that two guys employed by the team and who just spent 5 hours in the same plane as Keim / Mike B etc dont say stuff like this randomly or on their own analysis.

5 drafts, 36 picks, 1 QB drafted and that guy is a TE in Buffalo now. This is all you need to know about the talent evaluation skills of Steve Keim.

 

[NJCardFan]

Watford was brought in off the street due to injuries.

I feel like I'm speaking Greek. Maybe I'll say this again in Greek...Steve Keim originally drafted Watford. Here is the Greek translation: Ο Steve Keim συνέθεσε αρχικά το Watford.

 

[BigRedRage]

Name me one impact player not names David Johnson or a healthy Tyrann Mathieu this guy has drafted. You can't. Like I said, 36 picks and maybe 4 or 5 are worth a damn.

John Brown when healthy, Budda Baker, The two you mentioned, Marcus Golden, Okafor.

Then you have guys still in the league and starting like bucannon, cooper, gunter, hump when healthy, Niklas, KAreem Martin,

 

[Finito]

Name me one impact player not names David Johnson or a healthy Tyrann Mathieu this guy has drafted. You can't. Like I said, 36 picks and maybe 4 or 5 are worth a damn.

Oh you mean besides maybe the best Offesive weapon in all of football and a legit defensive player of the year candidate before he got hurt oh besides those two guys.

Holy crap man it's just all negative from you. This was a very young GM when he got the job and he built us into contenders now we are rebuilding damn man. What world do you live in where teams don't rebuild let me know id love to visit.

Ok I get it you don't like SK

 

[Arz101]

Keim and Arians disappointed last 2 years. Cardinals will easily do worse if they got rid of Arians and/or Keim though.

If Arians want to coach for 2-3 more years, he should continue as coach. If not, move on now. Don't get the hate on Arians here. He is the best Cards had since moving to Arizona. SMH. Players play hard for him in every game and game planning seems to be good every game too. Hope they knock off those retirement talks if they are coming back- it doesn't help anyone (fans or players).

The only fireable offense they committed is evaluating Blaine Gabbert while they still had pulse to make playoffs. Stanton should have started the last 3 games if he was healthy. 75% stanton > 120% Gabbert. Stanton is a good backup QB compared to Gabbert.

Bettcher seems adequate to good. Amos and Buddy Morris should be sent packing. Enough said about Amos. Buddy Morris is a joke. He was bought in to build up speed on the team and he cannot even keep core players healthy.

Stanton and Gabbert should not be on 53 man roster when next season starts. Great respect for Palmer but his time has come to an end as full time starter for cardinals.

There is talent on the team in DJ, PP, Larry, Chandler Jones, Marcus Golden, Andy Lee, Corey Peters, Budda. So cupboard is not totally empty. Need to hit on 2 starters in 2018 draft (Easier said than done). That is on Keim. He saying he knows it.

 

[Solar7]

But he originally drafted Watford.

And he played in 33 games with 12 starts. Decent production for a 4th round pick who really never needed to be more than a backup guard. This is the wrong one to be making your tentpole Keim sucks argument on.

 

[JeffGollin]

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[AZCrazy]

Saying that Keim drafted Watford is not making a point. Watford is a backup. A team with a backup player having to start on the O Line is a problem for the offense. We have FOUR of them currently starting.

 

[daves]

Stanton should have started the last 3 games if he was healthy. 75% stanton > 120% Gabbert. Stanton is a good backup QB compared to Gabbert.

Agree with most of your post, but... I think there's some recency bias in play here. Gabbert is awful, and Stanton is just as awful, if not more so.

Did you see how bad Gabbert was the last few games? Yet, his completion percentage, yards per attempt, and passer rating with the Cardinals are higher than Stanton's this year, Stanton's in all his years with the Cardinals, and Stanton's whole Career!

THAT'S how bad Stanton is! So it really didn't make any difference who started the last few games, and the Cardinals might as well have taken a look at Gabbert.

...dave

P.S. Barkley last year in Chicago had a better completion percentage, yards per attempt, and equal passer rating to Stanton's this year... i'd rather see him start a game than EITHER Stanton or Gabbert. I've seen WAY more than enough of those two.

 

[Cheesebeef]

John Brown when healthy, Budda Baker, The two you mentioned, Marcus Golden, Okafor.

Then you have guys still in the league and starting like bucannon, cooper, gunter, hump when healthy, Niklas, KAreem Martin,

he said impact players. Okafor is in no way shape or form an impact player. And saying "when healthy" with John Brown completely ignores reality that he can't stay heathy.

And none of the other guys are impact players.

 

[DVontel]

I’d classify Budda as a impact player already, tbh. Idc if it’s too early.

 

[Dude]

Hey Steve, perhaps if you could actually draft good players this team wouldn't have fallen so far so fast. I mean, 36 draft picks and I can count on 1 hand the ones who are worth a damn. Hell, 4 picks aren't even in the league anymore.

A team of old players with to many young bad players.

 

[Dback Jon]

How many impact players have the Rams Seahawks and 49ers drafted in the same time period?


What is the average for the NFL ?

We can't rate anyone in a vacuum

 

[Finito]

he said impact players. Okafor is in no way shape or form an impact player. And saying "when healthy" with John Brown completely ignores reality that he can't stay heathy.

And none of the other guys are impact players.

John Brown was very much an impact player before he got sick he could legit take the top off a defense.

Not every player your going to draft is going to be an all pro you need to draft good depth guys to and that's what Okafor was and it's what Kareem Martin is now.

Golden was a double digit sack guy last year I would say that's making an impact

 

[BigRedRage]

he said impact players. Okafor is in no way shape or form an impact player. And saying "when healthy" with John Brown completely ignores reality that he can't stay heathy.

And none of the other guys are impact players.

Well, "impact player" is semantics, we can all have different opinions of what that means. But to say that Budda and Marcus Golden are not impact players is silly regardless of definition.

And I cant fault SK for john brown getting unhealthy. He was a major impact player and his health is failing him, that's not on Keim.

 

[Stout]

Words are wind, SK. While it's nice to hear you say, and to parse some of your words so they mean what we hope they mean, you have to actually CHANGE when it matters. You showed this past off-season that you could NOT change, and really set us up for failure. Good GMs don't take forever and a day again to figure it out. So, I don't have confidence that the 'light has finally turned on', or that you've 'finally figured it out', or whatever. I mean, I'll HOPE you did, and HOPE you do better, but I am so, SO not buying it until then.

 

[Mitch]

Oh the irony of Steve Keim being unhappy!

For those of us who were screaming all off-season for Keim to address major weaknesses on the team---this is what happens when you take the oldest roster and make it older. This is what happens when you leave key holes in the roster unfilled. This is what happens when you have the worst STC in the NFL and do not replace him.

Keim, does offer a mea culpa, however. He says he made some mistakes and that it is his job to correct them. He vowed to "be aggressive" in free agency last year and insisted that it is not ever fair to the fans to go into a "rebuild"---and vowed that every year the Cardinals will be built to contend for championships. Does he really mean that? With Keim lately the music and the words have not matched.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Gang,

Here’s what Keim has:

Top tier:
PP - 27
DJ - 26 coming off injury
CJ - 27

Next tier:
Fitz - 34

Solid vet:
Buc - 25
Gresham - 29
Tyrann - 25
Golden - 26 (could be tier above, but if he loses any of his already limited athleticism he becomes badger-like)
Hump - 23 coming off injury
AP - 32 yup this is where he belongs now
Branch - 31 coming off injury
Tramon - 34
Budda - 21 has a spark that COULD move him up a tier but that’s conjecture at present
Palmer - 37
Peters - 29

Now undependable or downside or just sub average at present:
Smoke - 27
Gunter - 25
Kareem -25
JJ - 25
Niklas - 25
Nkemdiche - 23
Reddick - 23
Seals-Jones - 22
Shipley - 31
Kerwynn - 26
Iupati - 30
Veldheer - 30

Takeaways? Only four players in top 2 tiers. None of whom are 25 or younger. Only 4 players in solid bet tier age 25 or younger. 5 are 31 or older.

This roster doesn’t have a ton of talent and other than PP, DJ, and CJ it’s old talent being relied upon. The only other young guy showing spark is budda (you’re fooling yourself if you think reddick has shown anything - if he wasn’t a first round pick no one would pay him any attention).

The roster is not good. Keim’s failure in the drafts is glaring.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Well, "impact player" is semantics, we can all have different opinions of what that means. But to say that Budda and Marcus Golden are not impact players is silly regardless of definition.

And I cant fault SK for john brown getting unhealthy. He was a major impact player and his health is failing him, that's not on Keim.

Budda has yet to make an “impact.” You are projecting with a great deal of hope based on a VERY small data set and predraft commentary/potential. That’s fine. But he’s not an impact player yet.

Golden is a relatively limited athlete. If he’s robbed of any athleticism from this injury he becomes badger 2.0. Can’t count on him as impact until he proves he is impact again.

And “impact” is not semantics. Impact is a player that, you know, has a large positive impact on the outcome of a game.