SK is not happy

[BigRedRage]

Budda has yet to make an “impact.” You are projecting with a great deal of hope based on a VERY small data set and predraft commentary/potential. That’s fine. But he’s not an impact player yet.

Golden is a relatively limited athlete. If he’s robbed of any athleticism from this injury he becomes badger 2.0. Can’t count on him as impact until he proves he is impact again.

And “impact” is not semantics. Impact is a player that, you know, has a large positive impact on the outcome of a game.

In the little time he has played he has shined, great on ST, recovered a kickoff for us, leads the NFL in fan voting for ST to the pro bowl. Has some forced fumbles, etc. He has only played a few games and has been an impact player.

Golden led the team in sacks last year, he is an impact player. We can argue all day if people will be impact players again next year when they are a year older but the golden draft pick was a draft pick of an impact player. period.

Impact is semantics. Some people see impact as all pro. Some people see impact as 10+ tackles a game.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

In the little time he has played he has shined, great on ST, recovered a kickoff for us, leads the NFL in fan voting for ST to the pro bowl. Has some forced fumbles, etc. He has only played a few games and has been an impact player.

Golden led the team in sacks last year, he is an impact player. We can argue all day if people will be impact players again next year when they are a year older but the golden draft pick was a draft pick of an impact player. period.

Impact is semantics. Some people see impact as all pro. Some people see impact as 10+ tackles a game.

Too limited data set. Primary impact on special teams, which as a whole have been putrid. At present he’s Bethel 2.0. But I’m hopeful he’ll be more. Note, I’m not down on Budda, quite the contrary. But until he proves he is who you are hoping he is I’m reserving judgment. This board names too many players as world beaters and then they fall flat on their faces.

 

[BigRedRage]

Too limited data set. Primary impact on special teams, which as a whole have been putrid. At present he’s Bethel 2.0. But I’m hopeful he’ll be more. Note, I’m not down on Budda, quite the contrary. But until he proves he is who you are hoping he is I’m reserving judgment. This board names too many players as world beaters and then they fall flat on their faces.

He has done more on D in 5 games than Bethel has ever done on D.

Just in the Houston game alone he had over 10 tackles and two forced fumbles. The kid is clearly good.

 

[Cards_Campos]

To be fair to Keim, he didn't build the roster at the start of the year to have the game read something like: "Blaine Gabbert was flushed from the pocket after Will Holden and Earl Watford got beat around the edge, so he had to step around Alex Boone and dump off to Elijaa Penny."

That is awesome

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

He has done more on D in 5 games than Bethel has ever done on D.

Just in the Houston game alone he had over 10 tackles and two forced fumbles. The kid is clearly good.

He has shown glimpses.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

FWIW: https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/gallery/nfl-draft-teams-picks-draft-records-ranked-2012-present-030117


AZ Cardinals Rank # 27

Total points: 51

Total selections: 35

Points per pick: 1.5

Pro Bowlers: 2 (S Tyrann Mathieu, RB David Johnson, pictured)

Summary: The lowlight is the 2016 draft class, which has not yet produced a starter.

Also, Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/chriss...-the-best-and-worst-at-drafting/#d3e8f45dcde3

AZ Cardinals Rank #24

 

[DVontel]

Budda has done more in 1 game against the Texans than Bethel has ever done in his career.

I’ll even go as far as to say Budda had one of the most impressive defensive performances in the past 5 years for us against Houston. It was just undershdowed because the rest of the D laid an egg.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

He has done more on D in 5 games than Bethel has ever done on D.

Just in the Houston game alone he had over 10 tackles and two forced fumbles. The kid is clearly good.

I do not think the argument is if Baker is "good". It is that he has 1 year under his belt. The potential is there, Baker is trending upward.

I was going to make the argument for DJ Humphries, but he has a lot to prove as well.

Heck, I was also going to argue why Deone Bucanon is in the "solid vet" category, when his play is trending downward, and AGAIN, when I think of Bucanon, it is him getting completely dominated in the run game. Same as Tyrann Mathieu, who I have a hard time seeing as a "solid vet", but then again that just may be the contract that still bothers me.

It is all relative. I like the rankings Ouchie has, but of course it can all be argued.

Personally, I like the core of players the Cardinals have, and it would look much better if we all knew we could rely on DJ Humphries.

Patrick Peterson, Chandler Jones, and DJ Humphries takes care of CB, pass-rush, and LT. Biggest position of all, which is QB (unfortunately that is the way it is these dasy), is the biggest issue.

The Cardinals get a QB, and they have some of the hardest positions to find good talent for, covered.

 

[JeffGollin]

Ask yourself this:

"If not SK...Who?

Unless replacing Steve definitely upgrades the team, it doesn't make sense to change things just for change sake.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Budda has done more in 1 game against the Texans than Bethel has ever done in his career.

Total hyperbole. Bethel has at least one pick six. That, in and of itself, is more than than Budda has done to date.

While I agree that I believe (more hope really) that Budda will be superior defensively to bethel your comment has no basis in reality.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Ask yourself this:

"If not SK...Who?

Unless replacing Steve definitely upgrades the team, it doesn't make sense to change things just for change sake.

You’re right. But anytime you make a change you’re intending to upgrade. And oftentimes the best GMs come from outta nowhere (I mean how many of us know the names of other teams asst GMs or scouts). We aren’t paid, nor have the time or access to information necessary, to determine the “who.” That’s an owners job.

 

[cardncubfan]

Veldheer is at the very least a solid vet.

 

[BigRedRage]

Veldheer is at the very least a solid vet.

agree but I don't think he plays anymore

 

[TRW]

When you draft poorly over 2-3 drafts you end up where the Cards are very quickly. Compound that with letting younger guys go to bring in cheaper older guys and you end up where the Cards are even quicker.

Gotta hit it in the draft and be able to sign some YOUNGER free agent talents when they are available and affordable. Mostly, when your draft perennial includes several long reaches that don't pan out you look stupid.

If SK was happy, his rear end should be booted out the door.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Veldheer is at the very least a solid vet.

Not on the right side, and his health has begun to be an ongoing problem. Please understand my list isn’t backwards looking but rather projecting within a reasonable context. As such I don’t want to overestimate what young guys who have shown glimpses MIGHT bring to the table and I also want to be wary of injured vets getting back to their previous levels of performance. This is the most conservative way to look at what we have at present.

 

[cardpa]

He has done more on D in 5 games than Bethel has ever done on D.

Just in the Houston game alone he had over 10 tackles and two forced fumbles. The kid is clearly good.

Doesn't take much to out shine Bethel. Poor comparison. Baker needs to do a lot more before being crowned an impact player.

 

[iLLmatiC]

Doesn't take much to out shine Bethel. Poor comparison. Baker needs to do a lot more before being crowned an impact player.

What is your definition of an impact player?

 

[cardpa]

What is your definition of an impact player?

For me, an impact player is one who steps up and makes plays at critical times in games on a consistent basis, game after game. A player who can turn the momentum back to his team after his team lost it. An impact player can be a lot of things but they not only make plays that are needed most when his team needs something positive to happen. Their play has an impact on the flow of a game and it's a positive for his team and a negative for the opponent. Impact players don't have to be effective by making a sack or an interception or a fumble recovery all the time. It can be a tipped pass or a deflected pass or just a stop for no gain on a critical third down. They also do this more than once a game. Impact players make key plays at junctures in games that determine the outcome of the game. They may even take over a game. I think sheer determination on an impact player's part is part of them being an impact player. I also think it's a mindset. Certain players almost will something to happen.

 

[NJCardFan]

What is your definition of an impact player?

Chandler Jones is an impact player.
David Johnson is an impact player.
A healthy Tyrann Matheiu was an impact player.

This regime has yet to draft an impact player in the first round.

 

[overseascardfan]

Chandler Jones is an impact player.
David Johnson is an impact player.
A healthy Tyrann Matheiu was an impact player.

This regime has yet to draft an impact player in the first round.

Add Patrick Peterson to the list.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Doesn't take much to out shine Bethel. Poor comparison. Baker needs to do a lot more before being crowned an impact player.

especially from the guy who thought Bethel was really going to step up this year and had "all the tools".

 

[iLLmatiC]

For me, an impact player is one who steps up and makes plays at critical times in games on a consistent basis, game after game. A player who can turn the momentum back to his team after his team lost it. An impact player can be a lot of things but they not only make plays that are needed most when his team needs something positive to happen. Their play has an impact on the flow of a game and it's a positive for his team and a negative for the opponent. Impact players don't have to be effective by making a sack or an interception or a fumble recovery all the time. It can be a tipped pass or a deflected pass or just a stop for no gain on a critical third down. They also do this more than once a game. Impact players make key plays at junctures in games that determine the outcome of the game. They may even take over a game. I think sheer determination on an impact player's part is part of them being an impact player. I also think it's a mindset. Certain players almost will something to happen.

So how much data do you need before you can deduce that a player is an impact player that meets your definition?

 

[NJCardFan]

Add Patrick Peterson to the list.

I didn't feel the need to mention every impact player. Just needed a few to make the point. But, yes, PP is an impact player.

 

[NJCardFan]

So how much data do you need before you can deduce that a player is an impact player that meets your definition?

Well, for starters, that player needs to see the field more than a few plays(Nkemdiche, I'm looking at you).

 

[oaken1]

I hope Steve Keim aint happy.

Hell,...I hope Steve Keim wakes up in tears Christmas morning,...and spends all night new years eve brooding over what he can do to fix it while everyone around him is laughing and having fun.

I even hope his kids birthday cake makes him gag because his head is so messed up about what a poor job has been done that he cannot bear to treat himself to anything sweet.

I hope Steve Keim has nightmares, in which demonic linebackers in Cardinals uniforms bear down on him to crush his soul...
but then they miss, because the team he built sucks so gad damned bad they even fleck up a damned nightmare.

I hope he is unhappy. Because we have been unhappy,...and wondering for nearly two years why Steve Keim has been towing the company line over poor players and worse coaching that the average cards fan has seen clearly since week one 2016...

he better be unhappy...

sadly,..I have a feeling we are only seeing this new found determination on his part because,...well... Mike B is also unhappy...


Hell, I been a cardinal fan for decades,...been a football fan for decades more than that...and this team has been so poor it is hard to watch...you cant even watch these guys for the love of the game.

Mike B is a football fan too...and you can bet Steve Keim will get the team fixed....or Mike will replace him.