Skelton Game 2 Stats

[Redsz]

You're probably right and I'm probably totally reaching. I also drink a lot of koolaid--I'm an optimist by nature, especially with our own team. I've pretty much thought we were playoff-bound every year since they moved here, even when evidence suggested otherwise. Even when the suckage was so profound nobody could explain it in human language.

That being said, I don't know how anyone can say Skelton hasn't shown improvement. To me he has, and I've said he's improved every year with us. This year is no different. He's improved in fundamentals dramatically to my eye:

1. Footwork is vastly improved over last year. Last year he was a statue back there. And by that I mean no footwork at all unless he decided to run. Revisionist history in my opinion, to act like he hasn't improved in that area. Last year he rarely moved within the pocket, he let guys bounce off him or graze him and it threw his timing and passes off--I'm not saying he took unnecessary sacks, I'm saying he let arms and hands and such hit him--he even let his own offensive lineman bump into him--which wasn't enough to tackle him but threw off his passes. This year he's bouncing on his feet more and sliding within the pocket so that his passes are much more fundamentally sound. And not just a little, he's sliding a step or two within the pocket a lot more compared to last year and throwing off his back foot.

2. Hip rotation. Not as many arm throws so far in preseason. He's had several throws where he's getting the full windup and rotation of his torso. He had to make the arm throws last year because he wasn't "clean" in the pocket and didn't have the time to rotate everything. He was getting slapped and touched and bumped last year. This year he's scooting around a step or two and buying just enough time (split seconds) to rotate his body properly for the throw. To me this is the most dramatic improvement, and I attribute it to his feet more than anything. Best play for me last night was his side-step while the defender jumped over a guy and was flying at him. Wasn't just that he stepped aside, it was that he didn't stop looking downfield, didn't duck a shoulder at all (throwing off his form)--all he did was step aside to let the guy fly by him. That's all feet. His feet are miles better than last year. No comparison.

3. Accuracy. I think Rugby (?) is the one always saying he's aiming for the hot-dog vendor in the 3rd row. I can't think of a single throw so far in preseason that was just so off the mark we were like, wow, that was so bad. He had a tipped ball that was ugly (the defender was coming from behind after going wide, so he couldn't even see him). For the most part though they've been at least within range of the receivers hands. Again, he's not super-accurate, I'd never claim that, but he's way better than last year. I know in practice he was indeed horrible, so I've heard, but I haven't seen it in preseason. Most of his passes have been catchable.

I'm not saying Skeletor is the answer. But I'm pretty sure he's the answer for us this year, because Kolb has nothing better than Skelton at this point (except maybe back shoulder throws). Skelton can't seem to throw dudes open, but in every other area, I think he's going to be our QB this year. Is he a long-term answer, I've no clue. But I will say I think he deserves a real chance. Guys who improve every year don't come around all the time. Maybe it's simply because he had so much to improve on, but even if that's the case, his improvement has impressed me.

Killer Mentality: Skelton has an assassin attitude. To me he's just as aggressive and deadly as KW in that mental area. He obviously wants to just bury dudes. There's no hesitation or second thoughts or getting down on himself. I don't think that can be underestimated. It matters.

Really nice post, Darkside. Great analysis.

 

[Duckjake]

I completely agree. Kolb has shown nothing, aside from the fact that he's made of glass and skittish. Skelton stands in the pocket, and can take a hit. That already puts him above Kolb. Maybe/hopefully when Beanie and R-Will are in the game, it'll take some pressure off and he'll look better. He HAS shown improvement, but hasn't done anything to make me think he is capable of leading this team to a Super Bowl

Besides win games what do you need to go to a Super Bowl? I'm not going to worry about DDeuce until the NFL takes the QBs with the highest QB rating from the NFC and matches them in the SB vs the Steelers in even # years and the Patriots in odd # years.

Eli Manning has 2 rings. After 10-6 and 9-7 seasons. The Giants probably don't even make the playoffs if the refs hadn't screwed us. And yes I think Skelton is good enough to match Eli Manning. He's our John Elway. As soon as we get him a line and a Terrell Davis, which we may already have we're magic.

 

[52brandon]

Besides win games what do you need to go to a Super Bowl? I'm not going to worry about DDeuce until the NFL takes the QBs with the highest QB rating from the NFC and matches them in the SB vs the Steelers in even # years and the Patriots in odd # years.

Eli Manning has 2 rings. After 10-6 and 9-7 seasons. The Giants probably don't even make the playoffs if the refs hadn't screwed us. And yes I think Skelton is good enough to match Eli Manning. He's our John Elway. As soon as we get him a line and a Terrell Davis, which we may already have we're magic.

lol
29:16 TD to INT compared to 11:14. 92.9 QB rating compared to 68.9. Not quite a match

 

[NashDishesDimes]

He needs to be named starter. Keep kolb for the season incase skelton gets hurt and maybe kolb shows something. With the Cards Oline, Skelton his clearly better and has the assassins mentality that is required to be a special QB.

 

[Duckjake]

lol
29:16 TD to INT compared to 11:14. 92.9 QB rating compared to 68.9. Not quite a match

Ah, but it will be.

John Elway first two years in the NFL: 47.5% completion and 7:14 TD:INT year one. 56.3% and 18:15 year two and 10 years before he had a season where he completed 60% or more of his passes. And he played at Stanford not Fordham.

Eli Manning first two years in the NFL: 48.2% and 52.8%. 5 years before he went over 60.

Skelton: 47.6%, 54.9%. Double Deuce is ahead of schedule. All the D has to do is get us into the post season and MR. CLUTCH will do the rest.

By the way throwing out Manning's #'s in his 7th year in the NFL to compare to Skelton in his 2nd is really bogus.

 

[PJ1]

Ah, but it will be.

John Elway first two years in the NFL: 47.5% completion and 7:14 TD:INT year one. 56.3% and 18:15 year two and 10 years before he had a season where he completed 60% or more of his passes. And he played at Stanford not Fordham.

Eli Manning first two years in the NFL: 48.2% and 52.8%. 5 years before he went over 60.

Skelton: 47.6%, 54.9%. Double Deuce is ahead of schedule. All the D has to do is get us into the post season and MR. CLUTCH will do the rest.

By the way throwing out Manning's #'s in his 7th year in the NFL to compare to Skelton in his 2nd is really bogus.

Wow. Some interesting stats for sure. It is hard to do but we have to give it some time with young QB's.

 

[52brandon]

Ah, but it will be.

John Elway first two years in the NFL: 47.5% completion and 7:14 TD:INT year one. 56.3% and 18:15 year two and 10 years before he had a season where he completed 60% or more of his passes. And he played at Stanford not Fordham.

Eli Manning first two years in the NFL: 48.2% and 52.8%. 5 years before he went over 60.

Skelton: 47.6%, 54.9%. Double Deuce is ahead of schedule. All the D has to do is get us into the post season and MR. CLUTCH will do the rest.

By the way throwing out Manning's #'s in his 7th year in the NFL to compare to Skelton in his 2nd is really bogus.

I'd love for you to be right, if he's anything like either of em, I will be more than happy... After our revolving door at QB the past few years, I'm just skeptical

 

[Duckjake]

I'd love for you to be right, if he's anything like either of em, I will be more than happy... After our revolving door at QB the past few years, I'm just skeptical

Me too. But Kolb is horrific. So what else do we have to hang our hopes on other than Skelton?

In the past I wouldn't dream of jocking a guy because of the Duckjake jinx, but now I know it's Shane that's the jinx not me. He puts up 1000 posts pimping Hightower, who then gets traded to the Skins and gets hurt AND Shane is a Cubs fan. You can't be a bigger jinx than that.

Nothing but Kool Aid from the Duckster from now on. Well until the next time we get beat 35-10.

 

[52brandon]

Me too. But Kolb is horrific. So what else do we have to hang our hopes on other than Skelton?

In the past I wouldn't dream of jocking a guy because of the Duckjake jinx, but now I know it's Shane that's the jinx not me. He puts up 1000 posts pimping Hightower, who then gets traded to the Skins and gets hurt AND Shane is a Cubs fan. You can't be a bigger jinx than that.

Nothing but Kool Aid from the Duckster from now on. Well until the next time we get beat 35-10.

agreed. I've lost the hope I had for Kolb... Hopefully we can either develop one of the younger guys or get somebody that can produce well and consistently

 

[40yearfan]

Sorry, but no pass thrown to Larry Fitzgerald is an atrocious decision. Odds are just as good Fitz takes that ball away from the defender for a big gain. I've seen him do it before.

Same throw to Roberts or Doucet now that would be an atrocious decision. But the Alien no way.

+1

 

[40yearfan]

You're probably right and I'm probably totally reaching. I also drink a lot of koolaid--I'm an optimist by nature, especially with our own team. I've pretty much thought we were playoff-bound every year since they moved here, even when evidence suggested otherwise. Even when the suckage was so profound nobody could explain it in human language.

That being said, I don't know how anyone can say Skelton hasn't shown improvement. To me he has, and I've said he's improved every year with us. This year is no different. He's improved in fundamentals dramatically to my eye:

1. Footwork is vastly improved over last year. Last year he was a statue back there. And by that I mean no footwork at all unless he decided to run. Revisionist history in my opinion, to act like he hasn't improved in that area. Last year he rarely moved within the pocket, he let guys bounce off him or graze him and it threw his timing and passes off--I'm not saying he took unnecessary sacks, I'm saying he let arms and hands and such hit him--he even let his own offensive lineman bump into him--which wasn't enough to tackle him but threw off his passes. This year he's bouncing on his feet more and sliding within the pocket so that his passes are much more fundamentally sound. And not just a little, he's sliding a step or two within the pocket a lot more compared to last year and throwing off his back foot.

2. Hip rotation. Not as many arm throws so far in preseason. He's had several throws where he's getting the full windup and rotation of his torso. He had to make the arm throws last year because he wasn't "clean" in the pocket and didn't have the time to rotate everything. He was getting slapped and touched and bumped last year. This year he's scooting around a step or two and buying just enough time (split seconds) to rotate his body properly for the throw. To me this is the most dramatic improvement, and I attribute it to his feet more than anything. Best play for me last night was his side-step while the defender jumped over a guy and was flying at him. Wasn't just that he stepped aside, it was that he didn't stop looking downfield, didn't duck a shoulder at all (throwing off his form)--all he did was step aside to let the guy fly by him. That's all feet. His feet are miles better than last year. No comparison.

3. Accuracy. I think Rugby (?) is the one always saying he's aiming for the hot-dog vendor in the 3rd row. I can't think of a single throw so far in preseason that was just so off the mark we were like, wow, that was so bad. He had a tipped ball that was ugly (the defender was coming from behind after going wide, so he couldn't even see him). For the most part though they've been at least within range of the receivers hands. Again, he's not super-accurate, I'd never claim that, but he's way better than last year. I know in practice he was indeed horrible, so I've heard, but I haven't seen it in preseason. Most of his passes have been catchable.

I'm not saying Skeletor is the answer. But I'm pretty sure he's the answer for us this year, because Kolb has nothing better than Skelton at this point (except maybe back shoulder throws). Skelton can't seem to throw dudes open, but in every other area, I think he's going to be our QB this year. Is he a long-term answer, I've no clue. But I will say I think he deserves a real chance. Guys who improve every year don't come around all the time. Maybe it's simply because he had so much to improve on, but even if that's the case, his improvement has impressed me.

Killer Mentality: Skelton has an assassin attitude. To me he's just as aggressive and deadly as KW in that mental area. He obviously wants to just bury dudes. There's no hesitation or second thoughts or getting down on himself. I don't think that can be underestimated. It matters.

Astute observation.

 

[27Veer]

Skelton will come through. A line that could block for the run would have opened a hole big enough to keep the first 2 drives going.

 

[40yearfan]

Wow. Some interesting stats for sure. It is hard to do but we have to give it some time with young QB's.

I'd love for you to be right, if he's anything like either of em, I will be more than happy... After our revolving door at QB the past few years, I'm just skeptical

Hey, Dj called the improvement in the defense. I'm willing to give him the benefit of a doubt for his QB call.

 

[52brandon]

Hey, Dj called the improvement in the defense. I'm willing to give him the benefit of a doubt for his QB call.

I hope. Would be great to not have to try to find one in the draft or try for another trade for a backup that we think may hopefully have potential

 

[az1965]

I'm not saying Skeletor is the answer. But I'm pretty sure he's the answer for us this year, because Kolb has nothing better than Skelton at this point (except maybe back shoulder throws). Skelton can't seem to throw dudes open, but in every other area, I think he's going to be our QB this year. Is he a long-term answer, I've no clue. But I will say I think he deserves a real chance. Guys who improve every year don't come around all the time. Maybe it's simply because he had so much to improve on, but even if that's the case, his improvement has impressed me.

Killer Mentality: Skelton has an assassin attitude. To me he's just as aggressive and deadly as KW in that mental area. He obviously wants to just bury dudes. There's no hesitation or second thoughts or getting down on himself. I don't think that can be underestimated. It matters.

It's because he never really had an offseason... His rookie year, he was #4 in the camp behind Leinart, DA, Hall. His second year, no off season and he got hurt in the training camp.