Skelton is terrible

[dreamcastrocks]

Sweet personal attack there. Really well done. It's good that you and AZF are allowed to make personal attacks on people who merely state the reality that Kolb hasn't distinguished himself from John Skelton, second year player from the Patriot League, without warnings or repercussions from the moderators.

Some of us here just want to talk football.

That's not a personal attack anymore than you calling people Kolb apologists.

 

[kerouac9]

That's not a personal attack anymore than you calling people Kolb apologists.

Really? Because when someone is literally apologizing for Kolb's performance over and over and not saying that he's been anything but awesome, that seems like calling a spade a spade.

Bringing up irrelevant and unnecessary information that has nothing to do with (1) football or (2) the discussion underway seems to be an ad hominem attack aiming to move the discussion into a flame war.

Was the bolded area meant to continue a reasonable, fact-based discussion, or an effort to change the subject and incite a flame war? Because it certainly seems like more of the latter than the former to me. And TJ and AZF have been making personal attacks on posters for at least two threads now rather than talk football about their preferred quarterback.

Clearly what I am is a troll who wants to only talk about Denny Green, #7, and Karlos Dansby. That's who I am. And I hate every member of the current Arizona Cardinals. That's clearly what's going on in this thread, and in all of my posts.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Really? Because when someone is literally apologizing for Kolb's performance over and over and not saying that he's been anything but awesome, that seems like calling a spade a spade.

Bringing up irrelevant and unnecessary information that has nothing to do with (1) football or (2) the discussion underway seems to be an ad hominem attack aiming to move the discussion into a flame war.

Was the bolded area meant to continue a reasonable, fact-based discussion, or an effort to change the subject and incite a flame war? Because it certainly seems like more of the latter than the former to me. And TJ and AZF have been making personal attacks on posters for at least two threads now rather than talk football about their preferred quarterback.

Clearly what I am is a troll who wants to only talk about Denny Green, #7, and Karlos Dansby. That's who I am. And I hate every member of the current Arizona Cardinals. That's clearly what's going on in this thread, and in all of my posts.

Going off topic and sarcasm isn't considered a personal attack. If you would like to discuss it further, please PM me.

 

[Linderbee]

Was the bolded area meant to continue a reasonable, fact-based discussion, or an effort to change the subject and incite a flame war? Because it certainly seems like more of the latter than the former to me. And TJ and AZF have been making personal attacks on posters for at least two threads now rather than talk football about their preferred quarterback.

That's what the "report post" button is for.

 

[football karma]

He hasn't shown that he can respond do that yet, and part of that is on the coaching staff for not providing him with outlet receivers to dump the ball off to, or to walk him through where the ball is delivered.

I agree with most of the above post ( and Conrad's as well for that matter)-

However, I don't know how the above can be stated as fact.

We don't see from TV the full field, nor do we know what Skelton's progressions are, nor do we know what they tell him in practice.

 

[Cheesebeef]

It's hilarious to me that Kolb's apologists can't make an affirmative case for Kolb based on his play on the field within even the last 12 months. It's worse than Cheese trying to explain to me that Derek Anderson is probably good because he lit up the scoreboard against 4 awful defenses two years before he was starting for us.

hey now... i NEVER said he was "probably good"... i just said that maybe there's a chance he could regain that form... whatever the hell form it was. i was dead wrong. no need to put words in my mouth, which is just as annoying as some kind of personal attack.

 

[Chopper0080]

Kolb is a better starting QB than Skelton because he is awesome.

 

[TJ]

Sweet personal attack there. Really well done. It's good that you and AZF are allowed to make personal attacks on people who merely state the reality that Kolb hasn't distinguished himself from John Skelton, second year player from the Patriot League, without warnings or repercussions from the moderators.

Some of us here just want to talk football.

Seriously?? You are going to call me out on personal attacks when a) you took a jab at me first and b) have a reputation for smarmy remarks and passive-aggressiveness towards others. Pot meet kettle.....

If you dish it, you better be able to take it, bud.

If you have a problem with my response to you, report me or put me on your "ignore" list.

 

[TJ]

Kolb is a better starting QB than Skelton because he is awesome.

Wrong! It's because he has a cool last name

 

[ajcardfan]

Kolb is a better starting QB than Skelton because he is awesome.

And if Skelton was a smilie, it would be

 

[LarryStalling]

One of the things that really hurts Skelton is the fact that the Cards don't have a real burner. No one that inspires the defense to check where the guy is and they can settle into a normal zone and make our Qb's beat them. That is both Kolb and Skelton. It has been so long since Kolb looked good I forget what he functions best against, but Skelton really struggles against zones. You certainly don't see teams making life miserable for him by trying to blitz him and run m2m sets against him. The approach to fixing what the defenses is doing to make skelton look so bad is exactly what we did yesterday. If they set up in a zone, run the ball down their throat. When they get tired of getting gashed, they will turn their defense into a more managable set that the qb, Kolb or Skelton, can handle. It is just a shame that it has taken the staff so darn long to recognize what the remedy is for our poor qb play(at least to some degree).

I don't know what the answer is but I still suspect that the problem with Skelton is one of 2 things. Either it takes a sense of urgency for him to concentrate, like late in the game and behind in the score. Or he is trying to do what the coaches tell him and they don't function with his style of play until they are forced to do so by a sense of urgency. In reality, it is probably a combination of both.

A lot of people forget that some of the really good qb's over time have had really awful first years when they played. Peyton Manning was awful when he started. Yes, awful and for much of the same reason. It takes a while for the young qb to learn and adapt to the variations that he will see week to week. Eli was no house afire either his first year. Blaine Gabbert is doing surprisingly well for a rookie. But when you put a rookie qb on a bad team like the Cards, you must expect them to struggle and have some very awful games. Especially when you are trying to put a square peg into a round hole of Whiz's system.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I really can't tell, but I wonder if the coaches have recently tried working with him to alter his throwing mechanics or changed his release point, because the last 2 weeks, especially early yesterday, he has been very high with almost every throw.

 

[Cheesebeef]

how bad has Skelton been the last two weeks? I'm DYING to get Kolb back in there and four weeks ago, I was dying to get him out.

gotta see if Kolb's got anything in the tank the rest of the season after watching Skelton's performance in all but 2 of the 16 quarters he played.

 

[Capital Card]

Nice dig from Sando on Skeltons Accuracy....

Instead of trying Patrick Peterson on offense, as the Cardinals did without success Sunday, they ought to consider the 6-8 Campbell.

Go Cards!!!

 

[conraddobler]

Nice dig from Sando on Skeltons Accuracy....



Go Cards!!!

That's just pointless to go on about that.

DA was 10 times worse without the rookie excuse.

Maybe, just maybe NO ONE KNOWS HOW TO COACH OUR QB's

 

[Black Jesus]

Yah he is very inaccurate, but has a little Tebow-ism working for him (3-1 as starter).

We need a QB... bad.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

how bad has Skelton been the last two weeks? I'm DYING to get Kolb back in there and four weeks ago, I was dying to get him out.

gotta see if Kolb's got anything in the tank the rest of the season after watching Skelton's performance in all but 2 of the 16 quarters he played.

Wouldn't it be great if Kolb comes back on fire and leads the Cards to 5 straight W's? I don't know about that, but I think having to step back and see things from the sideline will be a good thing and think he will play well.

 

[football karma]

Maybe, just maybe NO ONE KNOWS HOW TO COACH OUR QB's

the Cards coaches arent perfect --

but seriously.

How often in football does a 5th round pick from a Patriot league team show up in his second season and play at even an average level?

In a Qb starved league, getting good QB play is a little harder than taking a mid round pick and playing him the next year.

To suggest Skelton isnt playing well because of the coaching is insane.

 

[Duckjake]

the Cards coaches arent perfect --

but seriously.

How often in football does a 5th round pick from a Patriot league team show up in his second season and play at even an average level?

In a Qb starved league, getting good QB play is a little harder than taking a mid round pick and playing him the next year.

To suggest Skelton isnt playing well because of the coaching is insane.

No it isn't. Not when the guy is playing at a level that is abysmal even for a 5th round pick from the Patriot league. 18-41-213 yards 0 TDs and 5 int's in the last two games.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

No it isn't. Not when the guy is playing at a level that is abysmal even for a 5th round pick from the Patriot league. 18-41-213 yards 0 TDs and 5 int's in the last two games.

So you are saying the organization sucks for making this guy a 5th round pick?

 

[Duckjake]

So you are saying the organization sucks for making this guy a 5th round pick?

No but I think football karma was. But now that you brought it up it is a real stretch to think they could make an NFL QB out of a guy who couldn't even complete 60% of his passes in the Patriot League.

 

[Stout]

Wouldn't it be great if Kolb comes back on fire and leads the Cards to 5 straight W's? I don't know about that, but I think having to step back and see things from the sideline will be a good thing and think he will play well.

That depends...would they be Skelton-esque wins, or Kolb LED wins? If the former, I'd be happy for the wins, but would be ready to give up on Kolb. If the latter, I'd be psyched for next season and probably ready to roll with Kolb as QBOF.

 

[conraddobler]

the Cards coaches arent perfect --

but seriously.

How often in football does a 5th round pick from a Patriot league team show up in his second season and play at even an average level?

In a Qb starved league, getting good QB play is a little harder than taking a mid round pick and playing him the next year.

To suggest Skelton isnt playing well because of the coaching is insane.

They entire offense should go into 1st gear, instead they keep trying to run the Warner offense off and on with him in there even though he's completely incapable of doing it yet.

We should go double TE and run the damn ball with a little play action passing built in.

That's all on coaching for doing anything but that with Skelton, totally believe that.

It's also on coaching for EVER drafting Skelton to run a Warner type offense that's just stupid.

He's not that kind of QB, he's a play action limited use QB and he can win games with a good defense if you play him like that.

They keep trying to utilize him as if they're waiting on him to get it, he's not going to this year if ever.

So it's fine if he's not our QB he shouldn't be after this year, he shouldn't even be on the roster if they want to keep the Warner offense but newsflash, Kolb can't run it either.

It's IMO stupid insane coaching to keep running an offense no QB on your roster can run.

Our defense is becomming the strength of the team, we have a great RB, we should just stop this idiocy and become what we can, a run first play action passing team.

Every time we send this bunch of misfits spread out with Kolb or Skelton as the QB we're just plain advertising how stupid our coaches are IMO.

We went out and got a West coast QB to run a high powered spread offense, that's stupid, STOOOPID.

Chase Daniel is the one cheap guy we could of gotten to run it, instead we dumped out a fortune for a guy who dosen't run that kind of offense.

You need a gunslinger to run the offense we have, quick decisions, quick reads, highly accurate, fearless, that's Chase Daniel, it's not Hall, Skelton or Kolb or Bartel or DA, my God it's so NOT any one of them I have to wonder WTF these guys are thinking.

I can't believe these chuckleheads who saw Warner play can't see that.

 

[SeattleCard]

His mechanics are so off. His throws were sailing for 2 straight weeks now. That is on the coaches to correct.

Looking forward to Kolb returning. Hopefully the time off, watching his backup rack up wins, has him reaching for a new gear.

Agree!

 

[john h]

I think we are going to need to sign/draft a backup QB to push Kolb because it really doesn't look like John Skelton should be starting at QB in THE National Football League, and oh, by the way, Kolb might not be starting caliber either. (that's my impression of an ESPN football analyst).

From what we have seen so far neither of our QB's look like NFL caliber QB's. They need to go to Canada to see if they can play there. We need a bolt of lighting to hit one of them and make him turn into a real NFL QB. Kolb has been around some years so we should not be calling him a rookie. At least Skelton can claim he has only started a few games but he is still lame.