Skelton officially named starter!

[Arizona's Finest]

Because it worked so well with the Leenart, DA, Moxie, St. Pierre?

Yeah, I'm really trusting Whis on how to get his young QBs motivated. Ben is an abberation, and he probably performed so well because he hated Whis' guts.

There are many great things about CKW, but coaching QBs isn't one of them. I gave him the bennie of the doubt, and he gave me DA being exactly the same guy we all thought he was. But man, they really did work on his footwork and he looked comfortable back there. Leenart's footwork was worked on too.

Stay away from Skelton's feet, Whis! And fwiw, stay out of his head, too.

I don't really get what you are trying to say here? So Bill Walsh would have taken DA, Leinart, and Hall and made them Super Bowl MVP's? I mean even when we give a coach credit for "coaching up" a QB, its is 90% the material he has to work with. Even guys like Walsh and Kubiak are subject to who they are working with.

I think its safe to say Whisenhunt should have a strong hand in the FO helping him with personnel. Going into this season with DA and Hall was egregious and likely he thought too highly of his ability to make chaicken salad out of Chicken *****. But all indications were he wanted Bulger and before him Whitehurst before the QB lineup he ended up taking into the season. Maybe he was just dealt a bad hand this offseason and things didn't break his way?

I mean you list those guys like Hall and BSP like you expected Wiz to turn them into Montana. Lets go look at all the great QB coaches in the league. 1 through 3 all their QB's are Pro Bowlers? Because thats what your insinuating as if Max Hall and St Pierre not being very good is some sort of indictment of Whisenhunt.

And even then 7 years of brilliant QB play under him and two super Bowl appearances and one win >>>>>> One down year with absolute crap to work with.

So I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Wiz as a QB coach because he has one bad year with absolute crap players.

Hopefully if he gets smarter about personnel and if the FO gives him something to work with, I am guessing the outcome will be quite different.

It will be amazing how much smarter Wiz will all of a sudden be if we somehow end up with Luck.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

He never really tried with ML, and DA was hand picked by him. He polished a turd. With the *****, that team had a great defense and run game. Two things a Whis led team hasn't had. Warner made Whis a genius.

He never really tried with ML? That clown Leinart was given 4 years and still sucked. How much more "trying" do you want him to do then that?

DA was "handpicked" by him? LOL Yeah because Peyton Manning and Brady were available this offseason, but Wiz felt better about DA. What are you even taking about, you realize good QB's don't exactly become available right? Especially in FA. WOuld it have been smarter to give a 2nd rounder up for McNabb? Didn't think so.

I am so tired of the Whisenhunt was made to look good by Warner or vice versa. All this has become is the du jour for everyone to advance their point on who made who.

NEWSFLASH: Todd Haley was an absolute bum and got crap play out of his QB last year. That is UNTIL Charlie Weis came around. Now Haley is the reason for KC's offensive success and the reason Warner succeed and pretty soon hes going to cure cancer and sign a treaty for World Peace.

 

[TJ]

Good points all around AZ Finest and my sentiments exactly

 

[Shane]

He never really tried with ML, and DA was hand picked by him. .

1st comment is complete BS and revisionist history. 2nd may be true but none of us really know!

 

[mjb21aztd]

Be nice if Skelton came in and played well then we could use our first pick on defense!!!! Go Skelton please play decent

 

[freebyrd]

ahhhh............something worth watching this sunday

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Go Skelton !!!

(Ridiculous that this wasn't announced in the postgame last week. Mindblowing really.)

 

[Duckjake]

So Bill Walsh would have taken DA, Leinart, and Hall and made them Super Bowl MVP's?

Not relevant. CKW's selections at QB have been Brian St.Pierre, DeWreck Anderson, and Max Hall. 3 of the worst QBs in NFL history.

That is very relevant.

Forgot Skelator. Maybe Big John can salvage CKW's rep. I will say this. I was glad to see JK didn't have happy feet but set very well in the pocket Sunday. (fingers crossed)

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I don't understand why this is being seen as a bad thing or Wiz being obtuse.

CAUSE: Wiz tells team and media that Bartel is going to compete with Skeleton for this Sunday's starting job

EFFECT: Skeleton busts his ass all week, coming in early and staying late (see Urbans blog) and working hard because even though all common sense says he will start, he knows that if he acts like the presumptive starter in practice all week, Whisenhunt will absolutely go to the other option (see Leenart, The Matt).

BYPRODUCT: Maybe a win on Sunday because the starting QB put in more elbow grease then he normally would have in preperation?

What you see as playing games, I see as good coaching and doing what you can to get the best out of a young player.

Go Skelton !!!

(Ridiculous that this wasn't announced in the postgame last week. Mindblowing really.)

I just don't get why people are having a hard time about this. So the logic is that Wiz should have just announced Skeleton last week so he would have felt more confident?

First off how is that consistent with what Wiz has ever done? Why would he want Skeleton to relax and ease up on the throttle? How is that the right coaching move?

I notice DJ said earlier in response to my thread "Well if Skeleton needs that to get motivated....." yeah of course. Ideally everyone is self motivated and works just as hard when the pressure is on as they do when they aren't threatened by any deadlines or any competition.

Unfortunatley thats not the way it works. And even if Skeleton didn't need that to bust his ass this week, I am STILL okay with Wiz maintaining what he always has, and never allowing the QB to be comfotable until he has proved himself. I don't really understand the logic behind doing it any other way.

Seriously Donald, Mitch, Dogpoo, or BIM? What is the logic behind wanting Wiz to announce Skeleton starter last week? How does that make anything better? Whats the benefit? So you don't feel like he's playing games? So the fans aren't led to speculate all week? So Skeleton is confident that his coach loves him?

Seriously someone address this for me? Because what it seems like to me is that we have a cranky fan base because we are losing, and now that the coach is doing what he has always done but the results arent the same, hes "playing games" and his method is tired, and blah blah blah.

I can't believe this has become such a huge topic, but basically what it comes down to is people are pissed and looking for anyone reason to bitch.

But can't you come up with something a little less trivial then this? Theres alot to be upset about this season and much of it can be thrown at the feet of the HC, but this? This?

This might be one of the stupidest things to get irritated about IMHO.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Not relevant. CKW's selections at QB have been Brian St.Pierre, DeWreck Anderson, and Max Hall. 3 of the worst QBs in NFL history.

That is very relevant.

BSP never saw the field. So he's like all other 32 sucky 3rd string QB's in the league. Pretty silly to even bring up his name IMO.

Derek Anderson was the best option in what was a terrible FA QB pool. You are acting like he turned down Mike Vick or something to get DA. Who would you rather him chosen? He went after Bulger and Whitehurst so it wasnt like DA was his handpicked first choice. Mcnabb would have cost draft picks.

Again everyone wants to pile on Wiz for DA coming here. What other vet QB was out there to push ML? Who else was available that would have been better?

And Max Hall was an undrafted FA. Name me a better one this past offseason, then i'll buy what your selling.

What crap. He had one offseason and came up empty. Franchises like the Dolphins and Bills have taken DECADES to have one servicable QB. But Wiz in one offseason with his "hand selected" thoroughbreds couldn't make it happen.

How about we stop throwing the PERSONNEL decisions issues at the feet of Wiz and realize who is typically in charge of those choices. The GM.

 

[Duckjake]

BSP never saw the field. So he's like all other 32 sucky 3rd string QB's in the league. Pretty silly to even bring up his name IMO.

Nonsense. CKW brought BSP in and told him he was going to compete for the #2 job with Leinart and paid him a million bucks when a cheaper and adequate alternative was available in Tyler Palko.

Your statement makes CKW look even worse.

Nice try at the spin though.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Nonsense. CKW brought BSP in and told him he was going to compete for the #2 job with Leinart and paid him a million bucks when a cheaper and adequate alternative was available in Tyler Palko.

Nice try at the spin though.

There ya go again, treating what coach SAYS as the gospel.

Proof is in the action. BSP never saw the field. Paying him one million (again shouldnt that be the FO's fault?) was quite obviously insurance being that he didn't have alot of faith in ML. Thats easy to go back and see in hindsight.

And BSP was more game ready and a better 3rd string QB then Tyler freaking Palko. Now we are acting as if letting Palko walk to be someteams practice squad QB is yet another reason Wiz sucks with QB's LMAO. At least BSP started a game this season. Where the hell is Tyler Palko? LMAO.

Anyway name me one QB who has been with this team who HASN'T been told they are competing for the starting job. Does that mean they are all all stars?

Nope. It just means you choose to believe everything you hear.

 

[Duckjake]

I can't believe this has become such a huge topic, but basically what it comes down to is people are pissed and looking for anyone reason to bitch.

Gee I can't imagine why. The two time defending NFC West Champs are 3-9, getting pounded by pitiful teams and the QB they selected to start over their first round QBOF absolutely sucks and is a major reason they are 3-9.

Why would anyone be unhappy?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Seriously Donald, Mitch, Dogpoo, or BIM? What is the logic behind wanting Wiz to announce Skeleton starter last week? How does that make anything better? Whats the benefit? So you don't feel like he's playing games? So the fans aren't led to speculate all week? So Skeleton is confident that his coach loves him?

Seriously someone address this for me?

There is nothing left to do with this season other than seeing what talent is on the roster for the future.

It's ridiculous to drag this decision out all week because DA is obviously not leading us anywhere. We don't need to be coddled and told that DA gives us the best chance to win because we do not believe that. Seriously, I would rather see a random fan from the stands as QB before DA. DA should be finished here.

So, in order, DA is awful and should never line up behind center for ANY NFL team, especially the Cards...Max Hall was injured...yep, ridiculous that Skelton was not named the starter immediately after last week's game.

This is a message board and I was responding to his finally being named starter. Nothing more, nothing less.

I've wanted to see him play ever since I saw the Sports Science segment on him on draft day.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Gee I can't imagine why. The two time defending NFC West Champs are 3-9, getting pounded by pitiful teams and the QB they selected to start over their first round QBOF absolutely sucks and is a major reason they are 3-9.

Why would anyone be unhappy?

So bitch about Bill Davis, DRC, Beanie, the Oline, Grimm, the Bidwills, Whisenhunts in game decisions, Adrian Wilson, the fact that we havent taken advantage of a horrid division....pretty much everything that has happened this season.

But not naming Skeleton the starter until today? THAT'S whats causing such angst? Thats being picked apart and analyzed like the Zapruder film?

Thats people bitching, just to bitch.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

There is nothing left to do with this season other than seeing what talent is on the roster for the future.

It's ridiculous to drag this decision out all week because DA is obviously not leading us anywhere. We don't need to be coddled and told that DA gives us the best chance to win because we do not believe that. Seriously, I would rather see a random fan from the stands as QB before DA. DA should be finished here.

So, in order, DA is awful and should never line up behind center for ANY NFL team, especially the Cards...Max Hall was injured...yep, ridiculous that Skelton was not named the starter immediately after last week's game.

This is a message board and I was responding to his finally being named starter. Nothing more, nothing less.

I've wanted to see him play ever since I saw the Sports Science segment on him on draft day.

But the decision wasn't dragged out all week. It was made likely once Hall got hurt. Who anywhere on the planet thought Bartel actually was going to start this week? Even Bartels mom knew Skeleton was starting.

I agree Whishenhunt waited to long to pull the plug on that clown DA. But thats not what the topic of Mitchs "absurd" thread was about....it was the mechanics behind naming the starter.

And my point is that was just Wiz keeping Skeleton in check by playing the "Bartel might start" card, and not letting him get comfortable all week and forcing him to prepare like he never has before.

And I don't think thats a good thing. I too am excited about Skeleton.

But I hope he doesnt do too well. We need that Top 3 pick

 

[Duckjake]

So bitch about Bill Davis, DRC, Beanie, the Oline, Grimm, the Bidwills, Whisenhunts in game decisions, Adrian Wilson, the fact that we havent taken advantage of a horrid division....pretty much everything that has happened this season.

But not naming Skeleton the starter until today? THAT'S whats causing such angst? Thats being picked apart and analyzed like the Zapruder film?

Thats people bitching, just to bitch.

Sorry but when your team absolutely SUCKS you have the right to bitch about anything and everything.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

So bitch about Bill Davis, DRC, Beanie, the Oline, Grimm, the Bidwills, Whisenhunts in game decisions, Adrian Wilson, the fact that we havent taken advantage of a horrid division....pretty much everything that has happened this season.

But not naming Skeleton the starter until today? THAT'S whats causing such angst? Thats being picked apart and analyzed like the Zapruder film?

Thats people bitching, just to bitch.

I walk the lower bowl at the stadium and watch the postgame interview after each game (sometimes yelling at the coach). Last week I was yelling for Skelton. No need to evaluate DA or check on Max, IMHO.

Where I work, shop, eat, etc. I am asked about Cardinals' stuff nearly every day. I am asked about the team whether I'm wearing Cardinals' gear or not because people know I am a huge Cards' fan.

All week I've been asked ONE question: Is Skelton starting on Sunday?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

And I don't think thats a good thing. I too am excited about Skeleton.

But I hope he doesnt do too well. We need that Top 3 pick

I hope he leads us to 4 straight wins and we finish 7-9. Screw the draft until the dust settles on the season, IMHO.

 

[Redheart]

Old school, die-hards...laugh at you.

 

[Duckjake]

Old school, die-hards...laugh at you.

We'll be the ones laughing when Skelator is named Super Bowl MVP in 2013.

The boy has no happy feet. He's big and strong. He hates hot tubs and beer bongs and his Great Grandfather was an Engineer.

We're in the Money.

 

[TJ]

I walk the lower bowl at the stadium and watch the postgame interview after each game (sometimes yelling at the coach). Last week I was yelling for Skelton. No need to evaluate DA or check on Max, IMHO.

Where I work, shop, eat, etc. I am asked about Cardinals' stuff nearly every day. I am asked about the team whether I'm wearing Cardinals' gear or not because people know I am a huge Cards' fan.

All week I've been asked ONE question: Is Skelton starting on Sunday?

I think any average Cards fan knew he was starting; it was a matter of when it would be announced.

But I also agree with keeping Skelton's feet to the flames before just handing over the reigns of the offense. Yes, this is a lost season and on the surface starting a new QB is a good idea; however, you still want the kid to perform admirably and not waste his talents. By everyone's admission, including fans and coaches, Skelton was drafted as a project. He was supposed to be here to sit and learn the nuances of the Cardinals, the league and its game speed. Remember, he came out of the mighty Fordam university (so if he fails, we can just say FU). Not exactly a powerhouse college conference. With that said, what is wrong with coaching him up?

Trust me. Coaches at all levels of football do things like this to one degree or the next. You may see it as an unnecessary mind game, but in all actuality, it is evaluating his mental toughness and ability to face adversity. If Skelton cannot succeed in beating out a QB who has only been on the team for two days, what makes you think he's going to be mentally prepared to beat any team in the NFL?

From a sports psychology perspective, I wish more coaches would do this as it would tell him/her whether their QB or any other player is worth a damn and not waste time.

 

[bg7brd]

We'll be the ones laughing when Skelator is named Super Bowl MVP in 2013.

The boy has no happy feet. He's big and strong. He hates hot tubs and beer bongs and his Great Grandfather was an Engineer.

We're in the Money.

I think he's staying at a Holiday Inn Express on sat night too.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

We'll be the ones laughing when Skelator is named Super Bowl MVP in 2013.

The boy has no happy feet. He's big and strong. He hates hot tubs and beer bongs and his Great Grandfather was an Engineer.

We're in the Money.

5/5

And he wasn't chosen by this staff in the first round.

 

[earthsci]

Where I work, shop, eat, etc. I am asked about Cardinals' stuff nearly every day. I am asked about the team whether I'm wearing Cardinals' gear or not because people know I am a huge Cards' fan.

This.

I have a joke with one of my friends at work. Every Monday he asks me "Did you see the game?" because he hears everyone ask me that every week. Even when we have a bye he asks. He laughs (he's from Uganda and he is a funny MFer) because, as he asked me one Monday, "What do they think that you do on Sunday?"