Skins may be interested in Rosen

[DRM08]

UCLA is a piss poor football program.

Recruiting is not a problem for them. Ton of 4-5 star talent signs with them every year.

 

[Zeno]

Recruiting is not a problem for them. Ton of 4-5 star talent signs with them every year.

Very few high draft picks out of that program in recent years, they have been in a rut for a while. If you look at the offense in the past 10 years they’ve had 3 offensive players drafted in the first 3 rounds (2 last year in Rosen and OT Miller).

 

[GuernseyCard]

Shane, why do you think this?

Russell Wilson's combine 40 time = 4.55. I'm confident that Murray's 40 time at his pro day will be around 4.45, maybe even sub 4.4.

Murray is more athletic than Wilson, and is a more accomplished QB to boot (although not by a lot, Wilson had an excellent senior season at WIS).

What basis do you have sir, for saying that Murray will not accomplish as much as Russell Wilson has in the NFL?

Because all the evidence that we have in front of us? It says it's more likely than not that Murray will accomplish at least, or perhaps even more, than what Wilson has accomplished in the NFL.

Don't you want that for your beloved Cardinals Shane? Don't you want a better version of Russell Wilson to lead your Cardinals to victory?

Sure, let's draft him #1 given your guarantee that we are going to two Super Bowls with him.

 

[cwamjn]

The only place I have seen people claiming Rosen is a bust or that he is inaccurate is on this board. .

Not true, his official nickname had been overthrosen since his sophomore year at UCLA.
https://www.foxsports.com/college-f...all-rising-stars-and-burning-questions-091816

 

[NJCardFan]

It's also being reported the Raiders are shopping Carr. Which would indicate they'd have interest in AZ's #1 overall pick.

And they have the most trade capital. They can trade us their #4 and #24 and still have 2 first rounders. I would trade our #1 and swap 2nd rounders for their #4 and #24 or #27. Some mocks have Murray dropping to 32 so if they're right, we can still get a top notch defensive player and Murray. This board would have a fangasm if that happened.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I agree with whomever said he fascination with Murray going #1 is crazy when Haskins looks like a better fit for the NFL and had arguably just a good a season statistically as Murray.

Since when is unequivocally not as good of a statistical season the same as “arguably just as good of a season statistically”? Murray had a higher QB rating, higher yards per attempt, more touchdowns, less interceptions and less fumbles.

 

[cardsfanmd]

both of this years guys would have went likely even after Lamar Jackson

On a serious note, this is one of the most absurd comments I’ve read on here in a very long time.

 

[slanidrac16]

The crap that passes for articles these days...

No kidding . There ain’t a chance in hell any decision has been made especially without his pro day yet.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

This week Haskins ran a glacially slow 5.04 40 yard dash. He failed to surpass Josh "The Blazer" Rosen's 2018 combine 40 yard dash time of 4.92.

 

[Shane]

Since when is unequivocally not as good of a statistical season the same as “arguably just as good of a season statistically”? Murray had a higher QB rating, higher yards per attempt, more touchdowns, less interceptions and less fumbles.

And he is still a worse QB that willl fail at the NFL level.. You have new baby trauma clouding your judgement

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Murray is no Russel Wilson and will be no Russel Wilson.

I’m curious what makes you say that?

 

[overseascardfan]

Since when is unequivocally not as good of a statistical season the same as “arguably just as good of a season statistically”? Murray had a higher QB rating, higher yards per attempt, more touchdowns, less interceptions and less fumbles.

Uh, Haskins had more yards, TD's, completion %. Murray had 1 less INT and averaged 2 yards more a completion (not a huge difference). Murray had a higher QB rating granted it was mostly against B12 defenses. Haskins has less red flags than Murray going into the NFL.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I will say this, regardless if we are able to trade the pick or not and then do not draft the mighty midget... some of us might want to congratulate the Cards on doing one hell of a smoke screen

 

[Shane]

I’m curious what makes you say that?

Before are ianswer that are you trying to say that he is based off his on eyear of college succuess?

I’m curious what makes you say that?

One year of college success doesn't make you a guaranteed NFL prospect that is worthy of being compared to a SB winner and perennial NFL pro Bowl level QB.

%'s say that he is far more likely to fail then be a Russel Wilson. The NFL as a whole has shown that typically shorter QBs aren't successful.

Again not buying into his phony weigh in numbers where it has been speculated that he did all he could to inflate the number prior to weigh in. Thus the agent not being comfortable with him performing his drills at that weight. Afraid his stock would plummet.

You guys wanna proclaim him the next Wilson more power to you and good luck to ya.

 

[juza76]

Before are ianswer that are you trying to say that he is based off his on eyear of college succuess?



One year of college success doesn't make you a guaranteed NFL prospect that is worthy of being compared to a SB winner and perennial NFL pro Bowl level QB.

%'s say that he is far more likely to fail then be a Russel Wilson. The NFL as a whole has shown that typically shorter QBs aren't successful.

Again not buying into his phony weigh in numbers where it has been speculated that he did all he could to inflate the number prior to weigh in. Thus the agent not being comfortable with him performing his drills at that weight. Afraid his stock would plummet.

You guys wanna proclaim him the next Wilson more power to you and good luck to ya.

Yes 1 year could be not enough but its not better just 1 succesful year then 3 years of average performances?

 

[DRM08]

Very few high draft picks out of that program in recent years, they have been in a rut for a while. If you look at the offense in the past 10 years they’ve had 3 offensive players drafted in the first 3 rounds (2 last year in Rosen and OT Miller).

Failure by their coaching staff to develop the talent. On paper they signed plenty of good talent out of high school in recent years.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I do not see what the Redskins could give to make them a desire trading partner. So, I would irritate the hell out of them and call them at least eleven times a day with low ball offers for Glennon and tie up their phone lines

 

[Solar7]

Before are ianswer that are you trying to say that he is based off his on eyear of college succuess?



One year of college success doesn't make you a guaranteed NFL prospect that is worthy of being compared to a SB winner and perennial NFL pro Bowl level QB.

%'s say that he is far more likely to fail then be a Russel Wilson. The NFL as a whole has shown that typically shorter QBs aren't successful.

Again not buying into his phony weigh in numbers where it has been speculated that he did all he could to inflate the number prior to weigh in. Thus the agent not being comfortable with him performing his drills at that weight. Afraid his stock would plummet.

You guys wanna proclaim him the next Wilson more power to you and good luck to ya.

Exactly what was said here. I get wanting to salivate over the potential. It's very exciting to think of what it could mean if he does pan out and maintains this success.

But it's ridiculous to proclaim he's guaranteed to be the next Russel Wilson. There's just no guarantees here.

Ultimately, the odds of Bosa being safer and at least somewhat productive are better than the chances of Murray panning out. Bosa's got a great bloodline, has shown well on the field, and the measurables are prototypical.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Wilson started a lot more games in college.

It's rare that a QB that started less than 35 games in college is any good.

How did Murray look at TAMU? Yeah he sucked.

The "Murray didn't start enough games in college" argument? Pfft.

That might be slightly compelling if he didn't win the heisman in his junior season.

You understand that Murray wasn't on any of the heisman watch lists or anything like that prior to 2018 campaign right Krang? That he literally came out of nowhere, from way back in the pack, to win that, and about a billion other QB awards?

He had the best single season ever by a QB man. As a junior.

IF (hypothetically, I say!) he would have stayed for his senior season, backed by the coaching and play calling of Lincoln Riley, I bet he would have won another heisman, and put himself in the conversation for the greatest college QB of all time.

So no. I don't buy the games started argument at all. Not after what we saw for the 2018 season. He's polished enough. He's ready to go.

 

[Solar7]

The "Murray didn't start enough games in college" argument? Pfft.

That might be slightly compelling if he didn't win the heisman in his junior season.

You understand that Murray wasn't on any of the heisman watch lists or anything like that prior to 2018 campaign right Krang? That he literally came out of nowhere, from way back in the pack, to win that, and about a billion other QB awards?

He had the best single season ever by a QB man. As a junior.

IF (hypothetically, I say!) he would have stayed for his senior season, backed by the coaching and play calling of Lincoln Riley, I bet he would have won another heisman, and put himself in the conversation for the greatest college QB of all time.

So no. I don't buy the games started argument at all. Not after what we saw for the 2018 season. He's polished enough. He's ready to go.

Why ignore Krang's point about Murray sucking at TAMU?

Also, I don't know why you're talking about him not being on any Heisman watch lists like it's a positive. Being on watch lists would indicate he had some kind of sustained success, not just one flash in the pan season.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

College stats don’t equate to guaranteed NFL success. You have all fallen in love with a one-year wonder who doesn’t have nowhere near the same build as Russell Wilson.


I am a firm believer that that’s a phony 207 In the main reason his agent didn’t want him performing in drills at the combine… Now he can drop weight to where he’s more comfortable performing those drills in the 190 range...

And an even bigger reason is he has shown he isn’t Completely sold on football... he was wavering on his choice right up until about two weeks ago... he can bolt back to baseball at the first sign of any adversity in the NFL. Not a good risk for any 1st round pick much less #1 overall.

Hmmm... Okay Shane.

I'm not guaranteeing that Murray will be equal to, or greater than Wilson.

What I'm saying is that, based on the information that we have, there's a good chance that Murray will be as good as Wilson, and, there's also decent chance that he might even be better than Wilson.

In my humble opinion, if the Cardinals have the opportunity to draft a player like the one I describe above, it's an easy decision. You do it in a heartbeat. The QB position is too important not to.

 

[Harry]

Shane, why do you think this?

Russell Wilson's combine 40 time = 4.55. I'm confident that Murray's 40 time at his pro day will be around 4.45, maybe even sub 4.4.

Murray is more athletic than Wilson

What makes Wilson special are mostly intangibles. I’m not sure if Murray can match them. That part of the deal is almost imposdible to predict. Scouts have not been successful at projecting similar skills in college to the NFL. Wilson is better down the stretch than anyone except maybe Brady. His elusiveness seems to increase when the game is on the line. Players believe in him to a surreal degree and tend to elevate their performance at the end of games. Wilson rarely makes an error that takes away his team’s chance of winning. Maybe Murray can match this but drafting Murray with an assurance he can is likely a reach.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Why ignore Krang's point about Murray sucking at TAMU?

Also, I don't know why you're talking about him not being on any Heisman watch lists like it's a positive. Being on watch lists would indicate he had some kind of sustained success, not just one flash in the pan season.

Murray's performance as a Freshman at TAMU is pretty much irrelevant Solar, isn't it? In terms of his future in the NFL? It's not how he began his college career, it's how he ended it, right?

R. Wilson posted very pedestrian stats as Freshman, Sophomore, and Junior (at NCST). But he killed it his senior season, and now look how well he's done as a professional.

And my point about the watch lists was to emphasize just what an incredible 2018 Murray had. Transcendent.

Don't you want that guy on your team Solar?

 

[Shane]

Hmmm... Okay Shane.

I'm not guaranteeing that Murray will be equal to, or greater than Wilson.

What I'm saying is that, based on the information that we have, there's a good chance that Murray will be as good as Wilson, and, there's also decent chance that he might even be better than Wilson.

In my humble opinion, if the Cardinals have the opportunity to draft a player like the one I describe above, it's an easy decision. You do it in a heartbeat. The QB position is too important not to.

%’s and the history in the nfl dictate Ithere is a much higher likelihood he will be nothing like Russell and will be more likely to flop tham flourosh. there is a much higher likelihood he will be nothing like Wilson and will be more likely to flop then flourish.

 

[Broseph]

So we finally get a QBOTF and we want to trade him?

This is ludicrous to even think about when he hasn't been given a fair shot with a decent O coordinator. I realize he looked lost at times and made some bad throws, but to give on him already is not the right thing to do.

Murray has a lot of ???. He is not a sure thing. Me for one I'm not willing to gamble on this.

Now trading the top pick? Possible, but have to be blown away or take the top guy. Keim has a lot riding on these decisions.

I know last season wasn’t Joshs fault but he really didn’t show much in terms of him being a QBOTF tbh...