So easy to figure out.....a caveman could do it

[RugbyMuffin]

This will be a "well duh" moment for a lot of people on the board, but I guess personally I have just come to grips with it.

The reason the Cardinals are so bad this year, is because they simply do not have any talent on the team.

This team wreaks of the early 2000's talent level.

I would say Beanie Wells, Larry Fitzgerald, Jeff King, Darnell Dockett, Calias Campbell, and Daryl Washington (we will see about Peterson) are really the only NFL talent on the team.

The rest of this group wouldn't be starting on a majority of the teams in the league.

After the starters, when you look at depth, it gets worse.

Why does our depth suck so bad ? Well, when you constantly go after mid-level free agents to be your starters, and constantly try to find that "diamond in the rough from small schools" in the draft, you end up with your starters being backup material, and your backups being practice squad material.

That and your front office seems to need to pocket between 10 and 5 million a year from the league.

Nothing is going to change until Graves, and Whiz are gone, and in reality nothing is going to change until the Bidwills run themselves out of business.

That will be a long, long, long time from now.

The verdict is out on the 2008, and 2009 season, and it comes back saying that Warner made this organization what it was. Without Warner the team has been 6-16. Very Cardinal like.

Sad state of affairs.

 

[conraddobler]

This will be a "well duh" moment for a lot of people on the board, but I guess personally I have just come to grips with it.

The reason the Cardinals are so bad this year, is because they simply do not have any talent on the team.

This team wreaks of the early 2000's talent level.

I would say Beanie Wells, Larry Fitzgerald, Jeff King, Darnell Dockett, Calias Campbell, and Daryl Washington (we will see about Peterson) are really the only NFL talent on the team.

The rest of this group wouldn't be starting on a majority of the teams in the league.

After the starters, when you look at depth, it gets worse.

Why does our depth suck so bad ? Well, when you constantly go after mid-level free agents to be your starters, and constantly try to find that "diamond in the rough from small schools" in the draft, you end up with your starters being backup material, and your backups being practice squad material.

That and your front office seems to need to pocket between 10 and 5 million a year from the league.

Nothing is going to change until Graves, and Whiz are gone, and in reality nothing is going to change until the Bidwills run themselves out of business.

That will be a long, long, long time from now.

The verdict is out on the 2008, and 2009 season, and it comes back saying that Warner made this organization what it was. Without Warner the team has been 6-16. Very Cardinal like.

Sad state of affairs.

The first step in recovery is admiting the problem.

Hi, my name is RugbyMuffin and I'm a football Cardinals fan.



I wish I could tell you that realization will actually lead to anything positive but it won't.

You're in a hopeless marriage with a team that's abusive, you won't leave, the abuse will continue, best thing about this whole mess is the other prisoners around you.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

agree, it comes down to being able to evaluate talent. Look at the Ravens draft history. I was watching their defense and key contributors/starters like Lewis, Reed, Ngata, Suggs, Cody, Kruger, Jarrett Johnson, Ladarius Web, Zbikowski, Jameel McClain, Jimmy Smith were all drafted by them.

 

[Sunryze88]

I really didn't think we would go in to the season being the worst team in the NFL. I thought maybe Chiefs, Bengals, or some other team would really suck. Our team is just in shambles...We look so far behind every other team in the NFL. I really don't know who we could beat. But Whiz needs to give all the guys who are not "getting" the defense and just let them get some on the job training. Maybe Acho and Schofield will be great pass rushers for us.

 

[blindseyed]

Nothing is going to change until Graves, and Whiz are gone, and in reality nothing is going to change until the Bidwills run themselves out of business.
That will be a long, long, long time from now.

This is the sad truth. We will all be here having the exact same discussions for years....ugghh.

 

[Seandonic]

You're in a hopeless marriage with a team that's abusive, you won't leave, the abuse will continue, best thing about this whole mess is the other prisoners around you.

This statement is so true. I've said it many times myself and have often wondered...So many people find their way out of even the worst relationships everyday. Why can't the average Cardinals fan?

I think one thing that would really help is if one could still watch NFL football but not have to see anything Cards related. It's like when you divorce a partner for instance, one usually must cut off all contact (perhaps even move) so that one may move on from the relationship. Get over it, if you will.

The problem with the Cards is that their rotting corpse is always there. Sucking you back each week. Not giving you any time to heal and move on. I know I feel much better during Cardinal bye weeks. No chance to be abused. And I can just sit back and enjoy adroit franchises play the games. If the Cards were out of the picture for an elongated time (perhaps a year) one could even find a new team/partner and would no doubt, enjoy a much healthier relationship.

I think many true Cardinals fans are eternal optimist/delusional masochist. They don't want to divorce themselves from this team and then have it finally turn things around just in time to miss the rewards of all that glorious suffering...even though everyone knows that they will never be good until the Bidwills are gone.

Ahhh. I feel better now. Thanks for listening, my fellow support groupers.

 

[Duckjake]

This statement is so true. I've said it many times myself and have often wondered...So many people find their way out of even the worst relationships everyday. Why can't the average Cardinals fan?

I think one thing that would really help is if one could still watch NFL football but not have to see anything Cards related. It's like when you divorce a partner for instance, one usually must cut off all contact (perhaps even move) so that one may move on from the relationship. Get over it, if you will.

The problem with the Cards is that their rotting corpse is always there. Sucking you back each week. Not giving you any time to heal and move on. I know I feel much better during Cardinal bye weeks. No chance to be abused. And I can just sit back and enjoy adroit franchises play the games. If the Cards were out of the picture for an elongated time (perhaps a year) one could even find a new team/partner and would no doubt, enjoy a much healthier relationship.

I think many true Cardinals fans are eternal optimist/delusional masochist. They don't want to divorce themselves from this team and then have it finally turn things around just in time to miss the rewards of all that glorious suffering...even though everyone knows that they will never be good until the Bidwills are gone.

Ahhh. I feel better now. Thanks for listening, my fellow support groupers.

This gets me every gameday. No matter how obvious it is that the Cards will lose and have an awful team I manage to convince myself that there is a slim chance they actually could pull off a miracle win or that this is the week they turn it around. And so I end up watching every game possible.

Does the Mayo clinic there in the Valley have a treatment center for this affliction?

 

[SECTION 11]

We let playmakers leave and are left to trust Graves and Co to evaluate the relative talent of the scrap heap. Which clearly is a full disaster right now.

I still can't get over the fact that we had the players in house, that we drafted, at our current biggest areas of need.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

We let playmakers leave and are left to trust Graves and Co to evaluate the relative talent of the scrap heap. Which clearly is a full disaster right now.

I still can't get over the fact that we had the players in house, that we drafted, at our current biggest areas of need.

That says it all right there.

After two years of conversing on this board, that is the summary of my seaches.

The Cardinals finally got it together, and sold out to the almighty dollar, and sold off a dynasty.

 

[Phrazbit]

Look at the Steelers, they draft a guys replacement 2 years before they need a starter at the position. In Arizona's case they dont realize they have a desperate need at a position until the season has started... then end up drafting "to fill a need" a year later and have to live through a rookies struggles... and probably whiff on the pick anyway.

Not to mention their wretched ability to execute trade and contract negotiations. How does a career disappointment like Roy Williams garner 3 valuable picks in the draft, yet when we trade an all-pro in Boldin we get a (expletive) poo poo platter of late picks? And i will spare you my Kevin Kolb trade rant.

 

[Duckjake]

Look at the Steelers, they draft a guys replacement 2 years before they need a starter at the position. In Arizona's case they dont realize they have a desperate need at a position until the season has started... then end up drafting "to fill a need" a year later and have to live through a rookies struggles... and probably whiff on the pick anyway.

Not to mention their wretched ability to execute trade and contract negotiations. How does a career disappointment like Roy Williams garner 3 valuable picks in the draft, yet when we trade an all-pro in Boldin we get a (expletive) poo poo platter of late picks? And i will spare you my Kevin Kolb trade rant.

That's been the problem in the instances where the Cardinals have tried to draft for the future as well. They have more Cody Browns than Calais Campbells.

 

[Dayman]

Whis wants to build a team of guys who remind him of himself as a player. The problem is that he wasn't very good, which leads to the high moxie/low talent product we see right now.

The leadership on this team was also gutted with the losses of Warner, Boldin and Dansby. The Ravens' defensive captains are Ed Reed and Ray Lewis. We have XFL reclamation project Paris Lenon. It's a sad state of affairs.

 

[Rivercard]

The rest of this group wouldn't be starting on a majority of the teams in the league.

Sometimes I think Jefferson belongs on the field.

 

[MrYeahBut]

The first step in recovery is admiting the problem.

Hi, my name is RugbyMuffin and I'm a football Cardinals fan.



I wish I could tell you that realization will actually lead to anything positive but it won't.

You're in a hopeless marriage with a team that's abusive, you won't leave, the abuse will continue, best thing about this whole mess is the other prisoners around you.

been divorced 3 times, haven't used drugs or had a drink in over 20 years, haven't had a cigarette in about 8 years, but the Cards are just one bad habit I can't kick. I guess I'm just a loser.....




.

 

[Osbern61]

Whis wants to build a team of guys who remind him of himself as a player. The problem is that he wasn't very good, which leads to the high moxie/low talent product we see right now.

The leadership on this team was also gutted with the losses of Warner, Boldin and Dansby. The Ravens' defensive captains are Ed Reed and Ray Lewis. We have XFL reclamation project Paris Lenon. It's a sad state of affairs.

Bingo!

 

[NJCardFan]

I need to add that I've been impressed with Housler.

 

[oaken1]

apparently a caveman indeed cannot figure it out...we have a staff full of them over on Hardy and they have not the collective wit to even notice a consistent beating on our tackles... I mean, if they notice it....they would supply some help right?

Our passing game fellates upon mules yet when our starting back is averaging over 5 yards a carry we go into pass incompletion mode for a three and out....on consecutive drives?

There was a time in my life when I truly believed that nobody could possibly be this stupid...that if we were in this situation it would be because we were tanking.....but these guys actually believe this crap they spew in interviews...actually believe this...."system"..... will at some point start working.

I go to the corner store every wednesday and saturday and buy powerball tickets....but I am not fool enough to believe that just because I keep doing it means that I have to win it some time.

 

[conraddobler]

Whis wants to build a team of guys who remind him of himself as a player. The problem is that he wasn't very good, which leads to the high moxie/low talent product we see right now.

The leadership on this team was also gutted with the losses of Warner, Boldin and Dansby. The Ravens' defensive captains are Ed Reed and Ray Lewis. We have XFL reclamation project Paris Lenon. It's a sad state of affairs.

That is a quality post, very insightful.

Really never occured to me before but it fits perfectly.

He's not the GM, our model is stupid, we should have a GM looking out for the long term good of the franchise that would lead to better draft picks, more forward thinking and the coaches would just have to deal with what they had.

 

[NeverSayDieFan]

Well said, Rugby....

In my 44+ year "relationship" with the Cardinals there have been ONLY 2...count 'em 2...stretches where they were good. The mid 70's when they had the BEST o-line in football and an offensive genius for a coach who was light years ahead of his rivals in his thinking....And the "Warner years" where the "greatest show on turf" was re-born.

The common denominator in so many years of losing? Bidwill. Plain & simple.

Summing up, much as I luv' my Cardinals and tend to see the glass half-full every year I know things will never change so I have to learned to detatch emotionally once the full ugliness of this teams' inabilities is revealed for all to see. This usually takes about 10 games into the season.

Sadly...Our cries fall on deaf ears for the king cares not a whit. His coffers are full of gold no matter the outcome of each Sundays' battles.

 

[GatorAZ]

The talent is fine, the talent is just playing like crap. I think we have the talent to win but we keep doing stupid things and moving backwards. We're averaging top 5 in penalties since 2007. Dumb things like false starts and offsides. Even when Kurt was here and we were winning. Constantly in 1st and 15 or 2nd and 20. Every yard matters and it will win or lose you games. Look at the Chargers, they're stacked with talent every year and underachieve in a piss poor division. And they have a top 5 QB!

This team is so frustrating.

 

[Duckjake]

The talent is fine, the talent is just playing like crap. I think we have the talent to win but we keep doing stupid things and moving backwards. We're averaging top 5 in penalties since 2007. Dumb things like false starts and offsides. Even when Kurt was here and we were winning. Constantly in 1st and 15 or 2nd and 20. Every yard matters and it will win or lose you games. Look at the Chargers, they're stacked with talent every year and underachieve in a piss poor division. And they have a top 5 QB!

This team is so frustrating.

I'm curious as to why you think that. The Chargers haven't had a losing season since 2003, have been to the playoffs 5 times in the last 7 years, have won 11 games or more 4 times in 7 seasons and have knocked the Colts out of the playoffs twice.

Is it because they haven't made it to the Super Bowl?

As an aside, they missed the playoffs twice at 9-7. That has never happened to an NFC West team. Man the NFC West sucks.

 

[Totally_Red]

We let playmakers leave and are left to trust Graves and Co to evaluate the relative talent of the scrap heap. Which clearly is a full disaster right now.

I still can't get over the fact that we had the players in house, that we drafted, at our current biggest areas of need.

Exactly! A team like the Cardinals that is lousy to mediocre at talent evaluation should move heaven and earth to re-sign the talent they do have, and I'm thinking especially of leaders like Dansby and Boldin here. Instead they let them leave, and when other leaders like Berry and Warner retire, it only exacerbates the problem.

God bless Fitz, but he is NOT the team leader that Q and Kurt were IMO. If the Bidwills were trying to save money, shame on them. If it is just incompetence on Graves' part, fire him. Either way, learn from the mistakes, and lock up core players and stop letting them leave.

 

[cardpa]

The talent is fine, the talent is just playing like crap. I think we have the talent to win but we keep doing stupid things and moving backwards. We're averaging top 5 in penalties since 2007. Dumb things like false starts and offsides. Even when Kurt was here and we were winning. Constantly in 1st and 15 or 2nd and 20. Every yard matters and it will win or lose you games. Look at the Chargers, they're stacked with talent every year and underachieve in a piss poor division. And they have a top 5 QB!

This team is so frustrating.

I agree, the talent is pretty good here. As it has been said so many times before, there is no accountability, no discipline, and no leadership on this team. There are no consequences for the continual and repeated mistakes. This all falls at the feet of Whiz.

There is no striving for excellence, mediocrity is an acceptable way to play.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

The talent is fine, the talent is just playing like crap.

Where is this talent?

Kolb - nope
Keith - nope
Hadnot - nope
Sendlien - nope
Colledge - nope
Brown - triple nope
Roberts - nope
Doucet - nope
Dan Williams - nope
Porter - nope
Haggans - nope
Lenon - nope
Marshall - nope
Jefferson - nope
Wilson - nope
Johnson - nope

And those are STARTERS !!!!!!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

This will be a "well duh" moment for a lot of people on the board, but I guess personally I have just come to grips with it.

The reason the Cardinals are so bad this year, is because they simply do not have any talent on the team.

This team wreaks of the early 2000's talent level.

I would say Beanie Wells, Larry Fitzgerald, Jeff King, Darnell Dockett, Calias Campbell, and Daryl Washington (we will see about Peterson) are really the only NFL talent on the team.

The rest of this group wouldn't be starting on a majority of the teams in the league.

After the starters, when you look at depth, it gets worse.

Why does our depth suck so bad ? Well, when you constantly go after mid-level free agents to be your starters, and constantly try to find that "diamond in the rough from small schools" in the draft, you end up with your starters being backup material, and your backups being practice squad material.

That and your front office seems to need to pocket between 10 and 5 million a year from the league.

Nothing is going to change until Graves, and Whiz are gone, and in reality nothing is going to change until the Bidwills run themselves out of business.

That will be a long, long, long time from now.

The verdict is out on the 2008, and 2009 season, and it comes back saying that Warner made this organization what it was. Without Warner the team has been 6-16. Very Cardinal like.

Sad state of affairs.

Pretty much the same premise of the thread I made too. Although I would add Peterson and Sherman as starters. I think Housler should be the starter over King/Heap and Schofield over Porter...

Other than that, I completely agree. Sad.