So easy to figure out.....a caveman could do it

[GatorAZ]

I'm curious as to why you think that. The Chargers haven't had a losing season since 2003, have been to the playoffs 5 times in the last 7 years, have won 11 games or more 4 times in 7 seasons and have knocked the Colts out of the playoffs twice.

Is it because they haven't made it to the Super Bowl?

As an aside, they missed the playoffs twice at 9-7. That has never happened to an NFC West team. Man the NFC West sucks.

Yet they have a losing record in the playoffs. They won 14 in 06' and last at home in the 1st round. They won 13 in 09' and lost to the Jets at home. You can go ask Charger fans if they've dissapointed over the last several years.

 

[GatorAZ]

Where is this talent?

Kolb - nope
Keith - nope
Hadnot - nope
Sendlien - nope
Colledge - nope
Brown - triple nope
Roberts - nope
Doucet - nope
Dan Williams - nope
Porter - nope
Haggans - nope
Lenon - nope
Marshall - nope
Jefferson - nope
Wilson - nope
Johnson - nope

And those are STARTERS !!!!!!

Some of them are talented they're just not playing to their potential. I understand the whole the-world-is-going-to-end feeling right now though. Don't blame you.

 

[GatorAZ]

I agree, the talent is pretty good here. As it has been said so many times before, there is no accountability, no discipline, and no leadership on this team. There are no consequences for the continual and repeated mistakes. This all falls at the feet of Whiz.

There is no striving for excellence, mediocrity is an acceptable way to play.

This is true. They don't seem prepared and don't react well to controversey on the field. Once the opposing team gains momentum it's over. Not just on the coaches though, players gotta man up.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Some of them are talented they're just not playing to their potential. I understand the whole the-world-is-going-to-end feeling right now though. Don't blame you.

There is a huge difference between potential and production.

We have been waiting multiple years for potential to turn into production, it hasn't happened, and it will not happen for most, IMO.

As for the world is coming to an end.....over football ? LOL, Not in a million years. It is just football.

This team sucks, and it is because they have no talent, no leadership, and no coaching. The world can't be coming to an end because it makes sense that this team sucks.

 

[kerouac9]

Where is this talent?

Kolb - nope
Keith - nope
Hadnot - nope
Sendlien - nope
Colledge - nope
Brown - triple nope
Roberts - nope
Doucet - nope
Dan Williams - nope
Porter - nope
Haggans - nope
Lenon - nope
Marshall - nope
Jefferson - nope
Wilson - nope
Johnson - nope

And those are STARTERS !!!!!!

This isn't fair. Do we have the talent to go 12-4? No. Do we have the talent to go 8-8 and be promising for 2012? I thought so at the beginning of the season, and I do now.

Hadnot, Sendlein, and Colledge are all solid starters who would start for at least half of the other teams in the NFL. As a unit, they've been good. Don't blame the OL who are playing well for Keith and Levi Brown's awfulness.

I find it hard to judge Andre Roberts because he doesn't seem to be getting a lot of targets. 27 targets scattered across 6 games, according to FootballOutsiders.com. Derrick Mason has the same number of targets, and he was traded to the Texans.

Early Doucet would be a good #3 for most of the teams around the NFL. He's been better than I expected.

On the defensive side of the ball, I covered in a different thread. With the exception of Porter, we don't lack for starters. We just don't have any catalysts or leaders.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

This isn't fair. Do we have the talent to go 12-4? No. Do we have the talent to go 8-8 and be promising for 2012? I thought so at the beginning of the season, and I do now.

Hadnot, Sendlein, and Colledge are all solid starters who would start for at least half of the other teams in the NFL. As a unit, they've been good. Don't blame the OL who are playing well for Keith and Levi Brown's awfulness.

I find it hard to judge Andre Roberts because he doesn't seem to be getting a lot of targets. 27 targets scattered across 6 games, according to FootballOutsiders.com. Derrick Mason has the same number of targets, and he was traded to the Texans.

Early Doucet would be a good #3 for most of the teams around the NFL. He's been better than I expected.

On the defensive side of the ball, I covered in a different thread. With the exception of Porter, we don't lack for starters. We just don't have any catalysts or leaders.

Talk of potential, and woulda/coulda doesn't sway me.

I would like to see the production out on the field before I am ready to see these "starters".

Roberts and Doucet are dime a dozen WR's.

As for the interior online ? I have seen a whole lot of pressure coming right up the gut, just as bad as the pressure coming from the outside.

When we go to pass, I think David Carr and the Texans.

When I think about the talent on this team, I think of the early 200 Cardinals. Some one call Levar Woods and tell him he can have his job back.

 

[Duckjake]

Yet they have a losing record in the playoffs. They won 14 in 06' and last at home in the 1st round. They won 13 in 09' and lost to the Jets at home. You can go ask Charger fans if they've dissapointed over the last several years.

Must be nice to be a fan of a team where you are disappointed when they go 14-2, 13-3, 11-5 and make the playoffs 5 times in 7 years. Something we'll never experience I guess.

We'd be building a statue of Michael Bidwill outside UPS if the Cards ever had a 7 year run like the Chargers have had since 2003.

We're so far behind every other franchise. I mean people are talking about firing Andy Reid and he has been to the NFC Championship game 5 times in 11 seasons. We just want a coach that doesn't go 5-11 five times in 11 seasons.

 

[asudevil83]

To me the other thing lacking is confidence. Seems to me that this team starts off well.....like the very first set of downs.

Every incomplete pass, every missed tackle, every missed block slowly whittles away at their confidence.....and when confidence goes away, and the entire team regresses into little whipped ******* that get manhandled ALL OVER THE FIELD.

 

[GatorAZ]

There is a huge difference between potential and production.

We have been waiting multiple years for potential to turn into production, it hasn't happened, and it will not happen for most, IMO.

As for the world is coming to an end.....over football ? LOL, Not in a million years. It is just football.

This team sucks, and it is because they have no talent, no leadership, and no coaching. The world can't be coming to an end because it makes sense that this team sucks.

Dockett while struggling is one of the better DT's in the league. If Cambell hits the market he'll get a ton. Daryl Washington is a future pro bowler. Schofield has had his moments. Peterson is an all world athlete. Jefferson has made big strides for an undrafted player. The backfield is talented. Roberts and Housler have shown their potential and Fitz is a future HOF in his prime. The talent is fine, there's more on this team then the Seahawks and Rams yet they've been better than us last 2 years. We've had our share of draft picks and FA signings that didn't work out but show me a team who doesn't make mistakes and has talent at every position.

 

[GatorAZ]

Must be nice to be a fan of a team where you are disappointed when they go 14-2, 13-3, 11-5 and make the playoffs 5 times in 7 years. Something we'll never experience I guess.

We'd be building a statue of Michael Bidwill outside UPS if the Cards ever had a 7 year run like the Chargers have had since 2003.

We're so far behind every other franchise. I mean people are talking about firing Andy Reid and he has been to the NFC Championship game 5 times in 11 seasons. We just want a coach that doesn't go 5-11 five times in 11 seasons.

I assume it's like being a Suns fan. Back to back to back to back to back to back great regular seasons followed by post season failure year after year. How can't that be incredibly dissapointing?

 

[Duckjake]

I assume it's like being a Suns fan. Back to back to back to back to back to back great regular seasons followed by post season failure year after year. How can't that be incredibly dissapointing?

If the Suns had gone 30-52 for 25 years it wouldn't be disappointing at all.

I'd rather have an NFL team whose season ended in January than one whose season ends almost every year before the first week of November.

I can't believe you would rather go 5-11 or 4-12 and finish last than 14-2 or 13-3 and lose in the playoffs because losing in the playoffs would be too disappointing. That's just nuts.

 

[GatorAZ]

If the Suns had gone 30-52 for 25 years it wouldn't be disappointing at all.

I'd rather have an NFL team whose season ended in January than one whose season ends almost every year before the first week of November.

I can't believe you would rather go 5-11 or 4-12 and finish last than 14-2 or 13-3 and lose in the playoffs because losing in the playoffs would be too disappointing. That's just nuts.

You can't believe it because i never said that.

 

[WildBB]

agree, it comes down to being able to evaluate talent. Look at the Ravens draft history. I was watching their defense and key contributors/starters like Lewis, Reed, Ngata, Suggs, Cody, Kruger, Jarrett Johnson, Ladarius Web, Zbikowski, Jameel McClain, Jimmy Smith were all drafted by them.

Yet how many of them outside the top 4 say, would be having any impact on the Cardinals this year?! We decimate talent at times.

 

[Duckjake]

You can't believe it because i never said that.

True. I should have phrased it better. As a long time Cardinal fan I just can't understand how anyone could be disappointed in a team that won every year no matter how they did in the playoffs. But then expectations change I guess, from just being glad to win 7 games to being disappointed at not making it to the SB every year.

However, I don't buy into the conventional wisdom that if a team doesn't win the SB they are underachieving or a failure. Because if a different team won the SB every year it would be 2041 before the Packers won again.

To me a successful team is one that is consistently competitive year after year.

Like the St.Louis Cardinal Baseball team. They have one WS title since 1982 but are still considered one of the most successful MLB franchises.

 

[GatorAZ]

True. I should have phrased it better. As a long time Cardinal fan I just can't understand how anyone could be disappointed in a team that won every year no matter how they did in the playoffs. But then expectations change I guess, from just being glad to win 7 games to being disappointed at not making it to the SB every year.

However, I don't buy into the conventional wisdom that if a team doesn't win the SB they are underachieving or a failure. Because if a different team won the SB every year it would be 2041 before the Packers won again.

To me a successful team is one that is consistently competitive year after year.

Like the St.Louis Cardinal Baseball team. They have one WS title since 1982 but are still considered one of the most successful MLB franchises.

Of course as a Card fan i would take a winning season every year even if it meant playoff dissapointment. Wins > Losses every time.

That said successful regular seasons followed by postseason failure is a bitter pill to swallow and it ends your season on a bad note. After 4-5 years in a row of 55+ wins the Suns could never win the title and it damaged that era. Can you imagine Bills fans in the 90's? That is epic heart breaking. It's all about the hardware.

Granted the Suns had some terrible luck but i won't go down that road haha.

 

[Duckjake]

Of course as a Card fan i would take a winning season every year even if it meant playoff dissapointment. Wins > Losses every time.

That said successful regular seasons followed by postseason failure is a bitter pill to swallow and it ends your season on a bad note. After 4-5 years in a row of 55+ wins the Suns could never win the title and it damaged that era. Can you imagine Bills fans in the 90's? That is epic heart breaking. It's all about the hardware.

Granted the Suns had some terrible luck but i won't go down that road haha.

You are right, even though its really unfair, because that is, I firmly believe, the#1 reason Div I College football coaches don't really want a playoff. With the current system half the teams with a "successful" season end their year with a win. They just don't want to get into that situation where their season ends on a bad note with a playoff loss instead of a bowl victory.

Of course things are different for us Cards fans. For us hardware is a hammer and nails.

 

[100%CardsFan]

Heap and Rhodes are starting material IMO.

 

[40yearfan]

True. I should have phrased it better. As a long time Cardinal fan I just can't understand how anyone could be disappointed in a team that won every year no matter how they did in the playoffs. But then expectations change I guess, from just being glad to win 7 games to being disappointed at not making it to the SB every year.

However, I don't buy into the conventional wisdom that if a team doesn't win the SB they are underachieving or a failure. Because if a different team won the SB every year it would be 2041 before the Packers won again.

To me a successful team is one that is consistently competitive year after year.

Like the St.Louis Cardinal Baseball team. They have one WS title since 1982 but are still considered one of the most successful MLB franchises.

The baseball Cardinals have been in 4 World Series since 1982 and won 2 of them (1982 & 2006). That's as good or better than anyone else other than the Yankees.

 

[Duckjake]

The baseball Cardinals have been in 4 World Series since 1982 and won 2 of them (1982 & 2006). That's as good or better than anyone else other than the Yankees.

See that's what I mean. The Cards have been in the playoffs 10 times after 1982 and have only one WS win. But people still think they're great.

On the other hand the Atlanta Braves might be more like what Gator is talking about. 2,340,947 Division titles, 5 World Series trips but only 1 WS title. And people tend to talk about them as disappointing.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Dockett while struggling is one of the better DT's in the league. If Cambell hits the market he'll get a ton. Daryl Washington is a future pro bowler. Schofield has had his moments. Peterson is an all world athlete. Jefferson has made big strides for an undrafted player. The backfield is talented. Roberts and Housler have shown their potential and Fitz is a future HOF in his prime. The talent is fine, there's more on this team then the Seahawks and Rams yet they've been better than us last 2 years. We've had our share of draft picks and FA signings that didn't work out but show me a team who doesn't make mistakes and has talent at every position.

So you are telling me, that we are going to lose one of our best players in Campbell, that Daryl Washington COULD be a good player, that Schofield in inconsistant in showing us anything that looks like NFL quality, Peterson is a great athelete, Jefferson is an improving undrafted player, that we have a good backfield consisting of an injury prone RB, a special teamer, another undrafted "improving" player, and an guy on IR, that Roberts, and Housler COULD be good players, and that Fitzgerald is a HOF'er.

Sure. Sounds correct, but that is nothing to hang your hat on. So, 3 good players, and one of which that will be gone by next season, and then a bunch of inconsistent players, and question marks.

The team is 1-5, and looks like crap on the field. If they had talent, at least they would be able to be competitive.

All teams make mistakes, the Cardinals make mistakes over 85% of the time and it is the reason that history and facts show this organization is an embarrassment to professional sports more years than not.

All the skewing, and kool aid in the world won't change that.

 

[chickenhead]

I wouldn't compare the NFL to the NBA and certainly not to MLB. The NBA playoffs (like the NHL) are a four-round grind. MLB can certainly be unpredictable especially with the 5-game opening series, but the reality is that playoff appearances are still determined more by payroll than anything else, no matter how many times the Rays and Marlins are in the postseason as dramatic exceptions to the rule.

In my opinion the NFL playoffs are a lot more like the NCAA tournament. If you're not cannon fodder for the first round, you might actually have a decent line to final four and have gotten hot at the right time. So in that sense making the playoffs most years is what you're looking for. True, there are a lot of frustrated Chargers and Eagles fans out there--but each year what you want is a chance, and they generally have one.

 

[Duckjake]

I wouldn't compare the NFL to the NBA and certainly not to MLB. The NBA playoffs (like the NHL) are a four-round grind. MLB can certainly be unpredictable especially with the 5-game opening series, but the reality is that playoff appearances are still determined more by payroll than anything else, no matter how many times the Rays and Marlins are in the postseason as dramatic exceptions to the rule.

In my opinion the NFL playoffs are a lot more like the NCAA tournament. If you're not cannon fodder for the first round, you might actually have a decent line to final four and have gotten hot at the right time. So in that sense making the playoffs most years is what you're looking for. True, there are a lot of frustrated Chargers and Eagles fans out there--but each year what you want is a chance, and they generally have one.

We hear this all the time and yet every year there are dramatic exceptions to the rule and if it is happening every year they can't really be exceptions can they.

3 teams in the top 10 in salaries made the post season, 3 in the middle, and 2 in the bottom 10.

 

[Cheesebeef]

We hear this all the time and yet every year there are dramatic exceptions to the rule and if it is happening every year they can't really be exceptions can they.

3 teams in the top 10 in salaries made the post season and 2 in the bottom 10.

yeah, i don't see this with baseball anymore either... the Cardinals/Rangers are middle of the road payroll teams, the Rays and D-Backs are lower rung payroll teams... that's 4 of 8 playoffs teams and it seems to be that way every year.