Some Cardinals' Choices From Here if No AP Trade

[Mitch]

Some thoughts:

QB:

1-Carson Palmer---two year window as starter remains.
2-Trade Drew Stanton ($3.2M) to the Bills for RB Fred Jackson ($2.7M)---add $500K of cap space.
3-Draft: Bryce Petty, Garrett Grayson or Sean Mannion (Day 2)
4-FA Signing: Mike Vick---still throws a great deep ball---can start if need be and can help team prepare for Russell Wilson
5-Logan Thomas---keep developing

RB:

1-Andre Ellington---split touches with Jackson and Williams
2-Fred Jackson---tough RB who breaks tackles, had 66 receptions last year
3-Kerwynn Williams---hits the hole on a dime, runs fearlessly
4-Draft: Melvin Gordon or Todd Gurley (Day 1), Tevin Coleman, T.J. Yeldon, Ameer Abdullah, Duke Johnson, or Jay Ajayi (Day 2) or Jeremy Langford, David Cobb or John Crockett (Day 3)
5-Bubble: Stepfan Taylor, Marion Grice, Robert Hughes

LT

1-Jared Veldheer---forms monster left side with Iupati
2-Draft: Cam Erving (can back up at LT if needed)
3-Bubble: Bradley Sowell

LG

1-Mike Iupati---forms monster left side with Veldheer
2-Jonathan Cooper---can slide back over if need be
3-Ted Larsen---swing G/C
4-Anthony Steen---on Larsen's heels for swing C/G spot

C

Plan A:

1-Draft: Cam Erving---imagine a trio of Iupati---Erving---Cooper.
2. A.Q. Shipley---backs up

Plan B (if Erving is off the board, which I believe he will be):

1. A.Q. Shipley---we will see why BA&HG love this kid
2. Ted Larsen---backs up and could win job in close competition. Coaches like him as the swing G/C.

RG:

1-Jonathan Cooper---time is now.
2-FA signing: Justin Blalock---make Coop earn it.
3-Anthony Steen---could wind up winning the RG spot at some point.
4-Bubble: Earl Watford (no splash to date, despite good physical traits) and Antoine McClain (massive and talented, but has had weight and conditioning issues)

RT:

1-Bobby Massie---developing well
2-Draft Cam Erving---love this guy's versatility
3-Cameron Bradfield---solid pickup earlier this off-season
4-Bradley Sowell---has to beat out Bradfield for swing tackle spot and would have the upper hand if Bradfield is not as good at LT as Sowell.

TE:

1-Darren Fells---has risen to the top
2-Troy Niklas---will be interesting to see him at full strength
3-John Carlson---teams needs a bounce back year from him
4-FA signing: James Casey---really like his versatility
5-Draft: Ben Koyak, Jesse James, Nick Boyle, Jeff Heuerman or Blake Bell (Day 3)

WR:

1-Larry Fitzgerald---really is the team's flex TE and could have a big year.
2-Michael Floyd---has to round out his game this year and play tougher.
3-John Brown---has to show his versatility, especially going over the middle.
4-Jaron Brown---could be a breakout year for this tough, gritty and sneaky speedy receiver
5-Draft: Tyler Lockett or Phillip Dorsett (Day 2) or Jamison Crowder, Ty Montgomery or Josh Harper (Day 3)
6-Draft: Rashad Greene or Justin Hardy (Day 2)---I think both of these slot type WRs are going to be clutch chain movers.

NT:

1-Corey Peters---his versatility is a real asset.
2-Draft: Malcom Brown or Eddie Golman (Day 1) or Xavier Williams, Tyeler Davison, Gabe Wright, Grady Jarrett or Marcus Hardison (Day 3)
3-Almeda Ta'amu---needs to re-emerge as bona fide plugger.

LDE:

1-Corey Peters---if NT emerges, he starts here.
2-Frostee Rucker---like Peters can play any of the three interior spots.
3-Ed Stinson---interesting to see how he develops
4-FA signing: Tommy Kelly---would love to keep him in the rotation.

RDE:

1-Calais Campbell---on the verge of becoming dominant at his position.
2-Frostee Rucker---excellent rotation player at this spot.
3-Josh Mauro---excellent addition to the rotation.

LOLB:

1-Matt Shaughnessy---stout versus the run
2-LaMarr Woodley---edge rusher in passing situations
3-Kareem Martin---could he be this year's Okafor?
3-FA signing: Dwight Freeney---for edge rushing rotation.

LILB:

1-Kevin Minter---time to show up in a big way.
2-Daryl Washington---time to show up, period.
3-Draft: Stephone Anthony or Denzell Perryman (Day 2) or Jordan Hicks, Jake Ryan, Mike Hull, Xzavier Dickson or Ben Heeney (Day 3)
4-Bubble: Kenny Demens

RILB:

1-Sean Weatherspoon---premier spot for his playing and leadership skills
2-Draft---Shaq Thompson or Eric Hendricks (Day 1) or Paul Dawson or Kwon Alexander (Day 2)
3-Larry Foote---if needed
4-Bubble: Glenn Carson

ROLB:

1-Akex Okafor---stepped up and now can start to thrive as starter.
2-Draft: Bud Dupree, Eli Harold, Preston Smith or Owamagbe Odighizuwa (Day 1) or Hauoli Kikaha, Danielle Hunter, Nate Orchard. Lorenzo Mauldin, Markus Golden (Day 2).
3. FA signing: Dwight Freeney or John Abraham

LCB:

1-Patrick Peterson---needs to emerge as a leader and consistent playmaker. if it were up to me, I would have him return punts in key situations, only this time with a hunger and a passion.
2-Draft: Quinten Rollins, Alex Carter, Byron Jones or Ifo Ekpre-Olomu (Day 2)

SS:

1-Deone Bucannon---need him to continue to develop as a big hitter, cover guy and playmaker.
2-Tony Jefferson---should see a lot of action as key nickel and dime safety.

FS:

1-Rashad Johnson---was playing nearly at a Pro Bowl level until he was dinged up late in season---could take his game to the next level this year.
2-Tyrann Mathieu---will play all over the field this year.
3-Draft: Damarious Randall (Day 3)---would be a great fit here.

RCB:

1-Tyrann Mathieu---best fundamental cover man on the roster.
2-Justin Bethel---should play a lot at RCB as the coaches move Mathieu all over the defense.
3-Draft: Josh Shaw, DJoun Smith, Ronald Darby, Doran Grant, Senquez Golson, Ladarius Gunter, Cam Thomas, Nick Marshall or Charles Gaines (Day 3).

Nickel CB:

1-Jerraud Powers---thrives in that role.
2-Tyrann Mathieu---same.

Special Teams:

1-Dave Zastudil---field position difference maker
2. Mike Leach---outstanding long snapper
3. Chandler Catanzaro---undrafted FA gem

So---if you could make 1 trade, sign 3-4 more FAs---and draft accordingly, what choices would you make?

Mine are:

Trade QB Drew Stanton for RB Fred Jackson

Sign:

QB Mike Vick
G Justin Blalock
TE James Casey
DE Tommy Kelly

Draft:

Note: I think Melvin Gordon, Cam Erving, Bud Dupree and Malcom Brown will be off the board at #24---i would select any of them if available, but seeing as they are not:

1. Shaq Thompson, LB, Washington. Adding speed to the defense is key, imo.
2. Hauoli Kikaha, OLB, Washington. Hoping he will be there---really like his quicks off the edge and his relentless style of play.
3. Ameeer Abdullah, RB, Nebraska. His feet are special and he plays tough.
4. Josh Harper, WR/KR, California. This kid is sneaky talented.
5. Damarious Randall, S, Arizona St. His vision and instincts are good.
6. Nick Marshall, CB, Auburn. Superb athlete who showed CB skill at Senior Bowl.
7. Jeff Heuerman, TE, Ohio St. Solid blocker.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Watford?

 

[DVontel]

Why on earth would we sign current Vick....?

 

[oaken1]

I am curious as to why John Abraham keeps showing up on this board.

The man is done...finished..... he came back last season and the staff chose to sit him because he could not even remember where he lived half the time and revealed it had been that way for a couple years(though he claims only one concussion)...he will not be stepping on a field this season,...or any other. Dude has also been experiencing pretty severe depression since being in alcohol rehab... BA will not have him back.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Some thoughts:

QB:

1-Carson Palmer---two year window as starter remains.
2-Trade Drew Stanton ($3.2M) to the Bills for RB Fred Jackson ($2.7M)---add $500K of cap space.
3-Draft: Bryce Petty, Garrett Grayson or Sean Mannion (Day 2)
4-FA Signing: Mike Vick---still throws a great deep ball---can start if need be and can help team prepare for Russell Wilson
5-Logan Thomas---keep developing

RB:

1-Andre Ellington---split touches with Jackson and Williams
2-Fred Jackson---tough RB who breaks tackles, had 66 receptions last year
3-Kerwynn Williams---hits the hole on a dime, runs fearlessly
4-Draft: Melvin Gordon or Todd Gurley (Day 1), Tevin Coleman, T.J. Yeldon, Ameer Abdullah, Duke Johnson, or Jay Ajayi (Day 2) or Jeremy Langford, David Cobb or John Crockett (Day 3)
5-Bubble: Stepfan Taylor, Marion Grice, Robert Hughes

LT

1-Jared Veldheer---forms monster left side with Iupati
2-Draft: Cam Erving (can back up at LT if needed)
3-Bubble: Bradley Sowell

LG

1-Mike Iupati---forms monster left side with Veldheer
2-Jonathan Cooper---can slide back over if need be
3-Ted Larsen---swing G/C
4-Anthony Steen---on Larsen's heels for swing C/G spot

C

Plan A:

1-Draft: Cam Erving---imagine a trio of Iupati---Erving---Cooper.
2. A.Q. Shipley---backs up

Plan B (if Erving is off the board, which I believe he will be):

1. A.Q. Shipley---we will see why BA&HG love this kid
2. Ted Larsen---backs up and could win job in close competition. Coaches like him as the swing G/C.

RG:

1-Jonathan Cooper---time is now.
2-FA signing: Justin Blalock---make Coop earn it.
3-Anthony Steen---could wind up winning the RG spot at some point.

RT:

1-Bobby Massie---developing well
2-Draft Cam Erving---love this guy's versatility
3-Cameron Bradfield---solid pickup earlier this off-season
4-Bradley Sowell---has to beat out Bradfield for swing tackle spot and would have the upper hand if Bradfield is not as good at LT as Sowell.

TE:

1-Darren Fells---has risen to the top
2-Troy Niklas---will be interesting to see him at full strength
3-John Carlson---teams needs a bounce back year from him
4-FA signing: James Casey---really like his versatility
5-Draft: Ben Koyak, Jesse James, Nick Boyle, Jeff Heuerman or Blake Bell (Day 3)

WR:

1-Larry Fitzgerald---really is the team's flex TE and could have a big year.
2-Michael Floyd---has to round out his game this year and play tougher.
3-John Brown---has to show his versatility, especially going over the middle.
4-Jaron Brown---could be a breakout year for this tough, gritty and sneaky speedy receiver
5-Draft: Tyler Lockett or Phillip Dorsett (Day 2) or Jamison Crowder, Ty Montgomery or Josh Harper (Day 3)
6-Draft: Rashad Greene or Justin Hardy (Day 2)---I think both of these slot type WRs are going to be clutch chain movers.

NT:

1-Corey Peters---his versatility is a real asset.
2-Draft: Malcom Brown or Eddie Golman (Day 1) or Xavier Williams, Tyeler Davison, Gabe Wright, Grady Jarrett or Marcus Hardison (Day 3)
3-Almeda Ta'amu---needs to re-emerge as bona fide plugger.

LDE:

1-Corey Peters---if NT emerges, he starts here.
2-Frostee Rucker---like Peters can play any of the three interior spots.
3-Ed Stinson---interesting to see how he develops
4-FA signing: Tommy Kelly---would love to keep him in the rotation.

RDE:

1-Calais Campbell---on the verge of becoming dominant at his position.
2-Frostee Rucker---excellent rotation player at this spot.
3-Josh Mauro---excellent addition to the rotation.

LOLB:

1-Matt Shaughnessy---stout versus the run
2-LaMarr Woodley---edge rusher in passing situations
3-FA signing: Dwight Freeney---for edge rushing rotation.

LILB:

1-Kevin Minter---time to show up in a big way.
2-Daryl Washington---time to show up, period.
3-Draft: Stephone Anthony or Denzell Perryman (Day 2) or Jordan Hicks, Jake Ryan, Mike Hull, Xzavier Dickson or Ben Heeney (Day 3)
4-Bubble: Kenny Demens

RILB:

1-Sean Weatherspoon---premier spot for his playing and leadership skills
2-Draft---Shaq Thompson or Eric Hendricks (Day 1) or Paul Dawson or Kwon Alexander (Day 2)
3-Larry Foote---if needed
4-Bubble: Glenn Carson

ROLB:

1-Akex Okafor---stepped up and now can start to thrive as starter.
2-Draft: Bud Dupree, Eli Harold, Preston Smith or Owamagbe Odighizuwa (Day 1) or Hauoli Kikaha, Danielle Hunter, Nate Orchard. Lorenzo Mauldin, Markus Golden (Day 2).
3. FA signing: Dwight Freeney or John Abraham

LCB:

1-Patrick Peterson---needs to emerge as a leader and consistent playmaker. if it were up to me, I would have him return punts in key situations, only this time with a hunger and a passion.
2-Draft: Quinten Rollins, Alex Carter, Byron Jones or Ifo Ekpre-Olomu (Day 2)

SS:

1-Deone Bucannon---need him to continue to develop as a big hitter, cover guy and playmaker.
2-Tony Jefferson---should see a lot of action as key nickel and dime safety.

FS:

1-Rashad Johnson---was playing nearly at a Pro Bowl level until he was dinged up late in season---could take his game to the next level this year.
2-Tyrann Mathieu---will play all over the field this year.
3-Draft: Damarious Randall (Day 3)---would be a great fit here.

RCB:

1-Tyrann Mathieu---best fundamental cover man on the roster.
2-Justin Bethel---should play a lot at RCB as the coaches move Mathieu all over the defense.
3-Draft: Josh Shaw, DJoun Smith, Ronald Darby, Doran Grant, Senquez Golson, Ladarius Gunter, Cam Thomas, Nick Marshall or Charles Gaines (Day 3).

Nickel CB:

1-Jerraud Powers---thrives in that role.
2-Tyrann Mathieu---same.

Special Teams:

1-Dave Zastudil---field position difference maker
2. Mike Leach---outstanding long snapper
3. Chandler Catanzaro---undrafted FA gem

So---if you could make 1 trade, sign 3-4 more FAs---and draft accordingly, what choices would you make?

Mine are:

Trade QB Drew Stanton for RB Fred Jackson

Sign:

QB Mike Vick
G Justin Blalock
TE James Casey
DE Tommy Kelly

Draft:

Note: I think Melvin Gordon, Cam Erving, Bud Dupree and Malcom Brown will be off the board at #24---i would select any of them if available, but seeing as they are not:

1. Shaq Thompson, LB, Washington. Adding speed to the defense is key, imo.
2. Hauoli Kikaha, OLB, Washington. Hoping he will be there---really like his quicks off the edge and his relentless style of play.
3. Ameeer Abdullah, RB, Nebraska. His feet are special and he plays tough.
4. Josh Harper, WR/KR, California. This kid is sneaky talented.
5. Damarious Randall, S, Arizona St. His vision and instincts are good.
6. Nick Marshall, CB, Auburn. Superb athlete who showed CB skill at Senior Bowl.
7. Jeff Heuerman, TE, Ohio St. Solid blocker.

Mitch, which of the 4 QBs could be stashed on the PS? I dont think any of them would make it and I don't see the Cards carrying 4 on the roster.

 

[imaCafan]

Keep Stanton (work out a pay cut) trade Cooper, this years third & next years first & sign Houston. Draft Erving if there, or Gordon in round 1. Highest rated RB in round 2 (if we got Erving) or highest G/C if we got Gordon. No third, I'll take the rest of your draft. This would be my dream situation. Have no clue if ANY of it would be remotely possible....Oh, and yes to Freeney too.

 

[juza76]

i assume u would like to cut martin?
was our 3th rounder last season ,and is considered as a talented guy who needs to get stronger

if u cut martin u should use the same treatment for jonathan cooper

 

[Snakester]

Thanks for all the work you put on this Walter. I am starting to warm up to the idea of drafting Cam Erving. We need a top notch center to complete the line. I still think the easy solution is to sign Stephen Wisnewsky but drafting Erving would do it to.

I am probably in the minority here when I say we should move up in the draft to get the player we want. Whether it is Bud Dupree, Todd Gurley or whoever. My top RB in this draft is Gurley. I think it is worth the wait for him to heal up. He is the best RB in this draft to me.

I have another idea at QB. We trade either Stanton, Thomas or a fourth rounder for Johnny Manziel. I think with our coaching Manziel can be a special QB.

 

[Mitch]

Watford?

Thanks, right you are. I added him in there and said: has yet to make a splash despite good physical traits.

Added in G Antoine McClain, as well. Big, mauler type guard who had had weight and conditioning issues in the past.

 

[Mitch]

Why on earth would we sign current Vick....?

I don't even count his play with the Jets because they were so poorly coached---what a mess.

I get your incredulity---but I think that in a good offensive system with good coaching Vick can be a good #2 and possibly even a package type #2. He still has one of the best arms in the NFL, still has excellent mobility and would give the team an excellent scout team QB for preparing to play Russell Wilson. Then, Logan Thomas can give us good prep for Kaepernick and Foles.

Plus, at this point, wouldn't he accept a deal at or slightly above the minimum?

 

[Mitch]

I am curious as to why John Abraham keeps showing up on this board.

The man is done...finished..... he came back last season and the staff chose to sit him because he could not even remember where he lived half the time and revealed it had been that way for a couple years(though he claims only one concussion)...he will not be stepping on a field this season,...or any other. Dude has also been experiencing pretty severe depression since being in alcohol rehab... BA will not have him back.

While you could be 100% correct, oaken1, did you hear BA talk about "Abe" this off-season? He said, "I love Abe. He needs to get cleared from his concussion. He and Bettch (the new DC) have a strong relationship."

It is quite possible that BA&SK have parameters on a deal already in place with Abe depending on the rest of FA and the draft. There is no rush to sign him.

 

[Mitch]

Keep Stanton (work out a pay cut) trade Cooper, this years third & next years first & sign Houston. Draft Erving if there, or Gordon in round 1. Highest rated RB in round 2 (if we got Erving) or highest G/C if we got Gordon. No third, I'll take the rest of your draft. This would be my dream situation. Have no clue if ANY of it would be remotely possible....Oh, and yes to Freeney too.

KC just traded for G Ben Grubbs (Saints)---they signed G Paul Fanaika to a three year deal with $8.1M in guarantees (not kidding). Were you thinking they would move Cooper to center? Regardless, the Chiefs are going to make sure they keep Houston whom many now believe is the premier edge rusher in the NFL.

I agree about Erving...he would be a great pick.

I like Gordon as well. But I think Erving and Gordon won't make it to #24.

 

[Mitch]

i assume u would like to cut martin?
was our 3th rounder last season ,and is considered as a talented guy who needs to get stronger

if u cut martin u should use the same treatment for jonathan cooper

I added Martin into my thread---thank you for noticing. Could he be this year's Okafor? That sure would be a boon if he is.

 

[Solar7]

For the life of me, I can't figure out why anyone wants to get rid of Stanton. The guy started 8 games last season and led us to 5 wins. Were they all because of him? No, but he managed to be steady enough to keep us above .500 in his games, and that was with being knocked out of at least one of them. The guy knows the system, and is steady, which is all you can ask for from your backup QB. There are very few teams who go 2 deep at QB.

 

[GuernseyCard]

I am curious as to why John Abraham keeps showing up on this board.

The man is done...finished..... he came back last season and the staff chose to sit him because he could not even remember where he lived half the time and revealed it had been that way for a couple years(though he claims only one concussion)...he will not be stepping on a field this season,...or any other. Dude has also been experiencing pretty severe depression since being in alcohol rehab... BA will not have him back.

Well, the last word is that he's working out and will inform the team this summer if he would like to return. What BASK decide is a separate matter that we are not privy too.

 

[Mitch]

Thanks for all the work you put on this Walter. I am starting to warm up to the idea of drafting Cam Erving. We need a top notch center to complete the line. I still think the easy solution is to sign Stephen Wisnewsky but drafting Erving would do it to.

I am probably in the minority here when I say we should move up in the draft to get the player we want. Whether it is Bud Dupree, Todd Gurley or whoever. My top RB in this draft is Gurley. I think it is worth the wait for him to heal up. He is the best RB in this draft to me.

I have another idea at QB. We trade either Stanton, Thomas or a fourth rounder for Johnny Manziel. I think with our coaching Manziel can be a special QB.

I too have been wondering if this year SK will trade up in the first round. If he does, i think it would be to draft Vic Beasley.

You mentioned Manziel---whom SK passed over last year---and with his personal off-the-field issues---he wouldn't seem like a good fit with BA who wants "gym rats." I would love to know what BA&SK think about Marcus Mariota and Bryce Petty and Garrett Grayson---because I have a hunch that there could be some surprising interest in taking a QB early if other needs are met before the draft.

As for Stefan Wisnieswski, I think that he was BA&SK's first choice if the price was right. However, i think they rate A.Q. Shipley almost just as high and they were able to sign him at practically the minimum for players under 4 years of experience. That said, I think BA&SK's interest in Wisniewski is no longer there.

If Gurley makes it to #24---at that point---he'd be an excellent pick. To move up for him and have to give up a 3rd might be tough especially since Gurley may not even be able to play until mid-season, if at all this year. Like you said he's worth waiting for---but is he worth waiting for giving up a 3rd rounder for?

 

[GuernseyCard]

For the life of me, I can't figure out why anyone wants to get rid of Stanton. The guy started 8 games last season and led us to 5 wins. Were they all because of him? No, but he managed to be steady enough to keep us above .500 in his games, and that was with being knocked out of at least one of them. The guy knows the system, and is steady, which is all you can ask for from your backup QB. There are very few teams who go 2 deep at QB.

And I seriously doubt he's going anywhere.

 

[Mitch]

For the life of me, I can't figure out why anyone wants to get rid of Stanton. The guy started 8 games last season and led us to 5 wins. Were they all because of him? No, but he managed to be steady enough to keep us above .500 in his games, and that was with being knocked out of at least one of them. The guy knows the system, and is steady, which is all you can ask for from your backup QB. There are very few teams who go 2 deep at QB.

I am glad you said this because here are my reasons:

1. He has the 10th highest cap hit on the roster at $3.87M. The team can save $3.2M if they trade him.

2. He is in the last year of his contract---and with teams like Bills desperate for viable QBs---there should be a good market for him---because, as you said he was 5-3 for us last year.

3. Don't see him playing in AZ beyond this year anyway...so why not get something for him while the Cardinals can?

 

[Solar7]

I am glad you said this because here are my reasons:

1. He has the 10th highest cap hit on the roster at $3.87M. The team can save $3.2M if they trade him.

2. He is in the last year of his contract---and with teams like Bills desperate for viable QBs---there should be a good market for him---because, as you said he was 5-3 for us last year.

3. Don't see him playing in AZ beyond this year anyway...so why not get something for him while the Cardinals can?

I understand the cap hit portion, but... we're a team that is looking to compete for a Super Bowl this year. It's kind of this year, next, or bust. Carson hasn't proven the ability to play 16 games since we've had him, and we need someone who can capably fill in if that is the case. A rookie or Logan Thomas isn't going to take us there, and Vick, in my opinion, was both never that good, and also is completely done. Logan Thomas is also a long way away from being capable of stepping in and running the offense.

And with that said, the Bills already have EJ Manuel and Matt Cassel, neither of which Stanton is a 100% clear upgrade to. Fred Jackson is more valuable to the Bills than Stanton - and keep in mind, the Bills re-signed him this year for a reason, after acquiring McCoy. He's clearly in their plans.

Just to reiterate on point 3 - he might not re-sign here next year, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't have a significant value on a roster that is looking to win the Super Bowl this year.

 

[Mitch]

I understand the cap hit portion, but... we're a team that is looking to compete for a Super Bowl this year. It's kind of this year, next, or bust. Carson hasn't proven the ability to play 16 games since we've had him, and we need someone who can capably fill in if that is the case. A rookie or Logan Thomas isn't going to take us there, and Vick, in my opinion, was both never that good, and also is completely done. Logan Thomas is also a long way away from being capable of stepping in and running the offense.

And with that said, the Bills already have EJ Manuel and Matt Cassel, neither of which Stanton is a 100% clear upgrade to. Fred Jackson is more valuable to the Bills than Stanton - and keep in mind, the Bills re-signed him this year for a reason, after acquiring McCoy. He's clearly in their plans.

Just to reiterate on point 3 - he might not re-sign here next year, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't have a significant value on a roster that is looking to win the Super Bowl this year.

Excellent argument.

However, Carson Palmer did play all 16 games in 2013---every snap.

When Stanton was signed three years ago, it was at a salary that would indicate that he would be in the mix as the starter---which is why his cap figure this year is prohibitive.

I think Stanton would beat Manuel and Cassell out in Buffalo. Rex acquired Stanton once and really liked him before the GM traded for Tebow.

Fred Jackson was already signed for this year (year 2 of a 2 year deal)---what they didn't do is ask him to take a pay cut---the owner intervened and said they wouldn't ask him to take a pay cut "out of respect."

I think BA would get a ton out of Mike Vick. I could be wrong.

 

[Solar7]

Excellent argument.

However, Carson Palmer did play all 16 games in 2013---every snap.

When Stanton was signed three years ago, it was at a salary that would indicate that he would be in the mix as the starter---which is why his cap figure this year is prohibitive.

I think Stanton would beat Manuel and Cassell out in Buffalo. Rex acquired Stanton once and really liked him before the GM traded for Tebow.

Fred Jackson was already signed for this year (year 2 of a 2 year deal)---what they didn't do is ask him to take a pay cut---the owner intervened and said they wouldn't ask him to take a pay cut "out of respect."

I think BA would get a ton out of Mike Vick. I could be wrong.

My apologies on the 2013 stats. Good checking. I did look at Jackson's contract before leaving the house, and it said one year, but maybe the site I went to was wrong. I'm on mobile now, so I can't check.

But, I still don't think Stanton is going anywhere.

 

[Mitch]

My apologies on the 2013 stats. Good checking. I did look at Jackson's contract before leaving the house, and it said one year, but maybe the site I went to was wrong. I'm on mobile now, so I can't check.

But, I still don't think Stanton is going anywhere.

I think you are probably right that Stanton isn't going anywhere---but if the Cardinals trade for AP, then they may have to make a decision on whether to keep Stanton at $3.8M because they are going to need to create some more cap space.

Good arguments, though, Solar.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Demarious Randall is not a day three guy; He's considered the second best safety in the draft and it wouldn't be shocking to see him go round 2.

And Hardison is not a NT; He's very much a 3-4 end, 4-3 three technique guy.

 

[Cards Czar]

I think you are probably right that Stanton isn't going anywhere---but if the Cardinals trade for AP, then they may have to make a decision on whether to keep Stanton at $3.8M because they are going to need to create some more cap space.

Good arguments, though, Solar.

If they need cap space they could cut the following for cap space.

J. Carson TE - 1.6M - Not a good blocker and BASK wants blockers. Did not empress me at all.

L. Alexander OLB - 1.55M - getting long in the tooth an has lost a step. Should be replaced.

C. Clemons S - 660 K - back up safety that did not make it into too many games. folder.

D. Butler P - 585K - not very good at all. Zastudil will be back so he gets cut.

Right there you can save 4.395M.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Why is Blalock still available? Is he an upgrade over Cooper?