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I did some work here based on the top 100 players voting done on the realgm player comparison board.
Avg Draft Position Top 100 9,4 ( excluding players that were not drafted )
Avg Draft Position Top 10 3,22 excludes Wilt Chamberlain
Avg Draft Position #10-20 7 excludes Moses Malone
Avg Draft Position #20-30 4,9
Avg Draft Position #30-40 21,6 -> Gilmore #117, Gervin #40, Stockton #16 and Drexler #14
Avg Draft Position #40-50 4,1
Avg Draft Position #50-60 12,3 excludes Paul Arizin
Avg Draft Position #60-70 12,3
Avg Draft Position #70-80 7,9
Avg Draft Position #80-90 9,57 excludes Connie Hawkins,Ben Wallace and Bill Sharman
Avg Draft Position #90-100 21,44 excludes Dave DeBusschere
The extremes are results of players like Gilmore at 117, Gervin at 40, Ginobili at 57, Laimbeer 65, Dandridge 45 these players stand out in terms of their draft position compared to the rest.
avg position drafts in
00s 2,86
90s 7,84 excludes Ben Wallace undrafted
80s 9,3
70s 16,27 excludes Moses Malone
Eliminating extremes here
avg position drafts in
90s minus Wallace and Ginobili 4,6
70s minus Gilmore and Gervin 10,05
Undrafted 8 Ben Wallace, Moses Malone, Connie Hawkins, DeBusschere, Jerry Lucas, Chamberlain, Sharman, Arizin most of them territorial picks
#1 picks - 19
#2 picks - 9
#3 picks - 11
#4 picks - 4
#5 picks - 9
#6 picks - 2
#7 picks - 4
#8 picks - 4
#9 picks - 3
#10 picks - 1
#11 picks - 1
#12 picks - 1
#13 picks - 3
#14 picks - 2
#15 picks - 1
#16 picks - 1
#17 picks - 1
#18 picks - 1
#19 picks - 1
#20 picks - 2
#23 picks - 1
#25 picks - 1
#27 picks - 1
#40 picks - 1
#45 picks - 1
#57 picks - 1
#65 picks - 1
#117 picks - 1
So 49 out of the 92 drafted top 100 players were top 3 picks. 75 of the 92 drafted top 100 players were top 9 picks.
Drafting higher is always better everyone should have known that before. With the restriction of highschool players not being able to enter the league anymore and foreign players being scouted much more extensively since Dirk Nowitzki there are even less surprises in the draft as evidenced by the average draft position of the great players in the last 10 years.
And that trend will not change with Kevin Durant #2, Blake Griffin #1, Derek Rose #1, Russell Westbrook #4, Kevin Love #5, John Wall #1, Kyrie Irving #1, Ricky Rubio #5 and other possible candidates eventually getting in that list.
When you look back at the last 25 years and the franchise players that have been in the league the only franchise players not drafted in the top 5 were Steve Nash #15, Kobe Bryant #13, Tracy McGrady #9, Dirk Nowitzki #9 and Brandon Roy #6.
I do not consider Manu Ginobili or Ben Wallace franchise players.
Brandon Roy misses the cut by 1 spot, McGrady and Kobe were highschoolers before the hype and teams were wary plus Kobe refused to work out for almost anyone and Dirk Nowitzki was a foreign prospect at a time where oversea scouting wasn't where it is now. Dirk Nowitzki was a pioneer pick in that regard pretty much.
You have to go all the way back to 1985 Karl Malone at #13 and John Stockton in 1984 at 16 to find franchise players that were drafted outside the top 10.
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|| Top100# || Player Name || Draft Position || Draft Year ||
1 1) Michael Jordan 3 1984
2 2) Bill Russell 2 1956
3 3) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1 1969
4 4) Magic Johnson 1 1979
5 5) Wilt Chamberlain 0 1959
6 6) Larry Bird 6 1978
7 7) Shaquille O'Neal 1 1992
8 8) Tim Duncan 1 1997
9 9) Hakeem Olajuwon 1 1984
10 10) Kobe Bryant 13 1996
11 11) Julius Erving 12 1972
12 12) Karl Malone 13 1985
13 13) Kevin Garnett 5 1995
14 14) Oscar Robertson 1 1960
15 15) Jerry West 2 1960
16 16) Moses Malone 0 1976
17 17) Dirk Nowitzki 9 1999
18 18) LeBron James 1 2003
19 19) Bob Pettit 2 1954
20 20) Charles Barkley 5 1984
21 21) David Robinson 1 1987
22 22) Dwyane Wade 5 2003
23 23) Walt Frazier 5 1967
24 24) Steve Nash 15 1996
25 25) Scottie Pippen 5 1987
26 26) Elgin Baylor 1 1958
27 27) Patrick Ewing 1 1985
28 28) John Havlicek 7 1962
29 29) Isiah Thomas 2 1981
30 30) Rick Barry 2 1965
31 31) John Stockton 16 1984
32 32) Gary Payton 2 1990
33 33) Clyde Drexler 14 1983
34 34) Artis Gilmore 117 1971
35 35) George Gervin 40 1974
36 36) Jason Kidd 2 1994
37 37) Tracy McGrady 9 1997
38 38) Paul Pierce 10 1998
39 39) Dwight Howard 1 2004
40 40) Kevin McHale 3 1980
41 41) Dominique Wilkins 3 1982
42 42) Reggie Miller 11 1987
43 43) Willis Reed 8 1964
44 44) Bob Cousy 3 1950
45 45) Dave Cowens 4 1970
46 46) Allen Iverson 1 1996
47 47) Bill Walton 1 1974
48 48) Alonzo Mourning 2 1992
49 49) Elvin Hayes 1 1968
50 50) Chris Paul 4 2005
51 51) Kevin Johnson 7 1987
52 52) Bob McAdoo 2 1972
53 53) Sidney Moncrief 5 1979
54 54) Ray Allen 5 1996
55 55) Bob Lanier 1 1970
56 56) Alex English 23 1976
57 57) Wes Unseld 2 1968
58 58) Paul Arizin 0 1950
59 59) Sam Jones 8 1957
60 60) Manu Ginobili 57 1999
61 61) Marques Johnson 3 1977
62 62) Pau Gasol 3 2001
63 63) Bernard King 7 1977
64 64) Dennis Rodman 27 1986
65 65) Penny Hardaway 3 1993
66 66) Nate Thurmond 3 1963
67 67) Robert Parish 8 1976
68 68) Dolph Schayes 4 1948
69 69) Grant Hill 3 1994
70 70) Vince Carter 5 1998
71 71) Dikembe Mutombo 4 1991
72 72) Billy Cunningham 5 1965
73 73) James Worthy 1 1982
74 74) David Thompson 1 1975
75 75) Nate Archibald 19 1970
76 76) Chris Webber 1 1973
77 77) Bobby Jones 5 1974
78 78) Hal Greer 13 1958
79 79) Mark Price 25 1986
80 80) Connie Hawkins 0 1969
81 81) Ben Wallace 0 1996
82 82) Shawn Kemp 17 1989
83 83) Chauncey Billups 3 1997
84 84) Adrian Dantley 6 1976
85 85) Deron Williams 3 2005
86 86) Elton Brand 1 1999
87 87) Bill Sharman 0 1950
88 88) Jack Sikma 8 1977
89 89) Mel Daniels 9 1967
90 90) Larry Nance 20 1981
91 91) Joe Dumars 18 1985
92 92) Gus Williams 20 1975
93 93) Carmelo Anthony 3 2003
94 94) Tim Hardaway 14 1989
95 95) Jerry Lucas 0 1962
96 96) Chris Mullin 7 1985
97 97) Dave DeBusschere 0 1962
98 98) Brad Daugherty 1 1986
99 99) Bob Dandridge 45 1969
100 100) Bill Laimbeer 65 1979
Avg Draft Position Top 100 9,4 ( excluding players that were not drafted )
Avg Draft Position Top 10 3,22 excludes Wilt Chamberlain
Avg Draft Position #10-20 7 excludes Moses Malone
Avg Draft Position #20-30 4,9
Avg Draft Position #30-40 21,6 -> Gilmore #117, Gervin #40, Stockton #16 and Drexler #14
Avg Draft Position #40-50 4,1
Avg Draft Position #50-60 12,3 excludes Paul Arizin
Avg Draft Position #60-70 12,3
Avg Draft Position #70-80 7,9
Avg Draft Position #80-90 9,57 excludes Connie Hawkins,Ben Wallace and Bill Sharman
Avg Draft Position #90-100 21,44 excludes Dave DeBusschere
The extremes are results of players like Gilmore at 117, Gervin at 40, Ginobili at 57, Laimbeer 65, Dandridge 45 these players stand out in terms of their draft position compared to the rest.
avg position drafts in
00s 2,86
90s 7,84 excludes Ben Wallace undrafted
80s 9,3
70s 16,27 excludes Moses Malone
Eliminating extremes here
avg position drafts in
90s minus Wallace and Ginobili 4,6
70s minus Gilmore and Gervin 10,05
Undrafted 8 Ben Wallace, Moses Malone, Connie Hawkins, DeBusschere, Jerry Lucas, Chamberlain, Sharman, Arizin most of them territorial picks
#1 picks - 19
#2 picks - 9
#3 picks - 11
#4 picks - 4
#5 picks - 9
#6 picks - 2
#7 picks - 4
#8 picks - 4
#9 picks - 3
#10 picks - 1
#11 picks - 1
#12 picks - 1
#13 picks - 3
#14 picks - 2
#15 picks - 1
#16 picks - 1
#17 picks - 1
#18 picks - 1
#19 picks - 1
#20 picks - 2
#23 picks - 1
#25 picks - 1
#27 picks - 1
#40 picks - 1
#45 picks - 1
#57 picks - 1
#65 picks - 1
#117 picks - 1
So 49 out of the 92 drafted top 100 players were top 3 picks. 75 of the 92 drafted top 100 players were top 9 picks.
Drafting higher is always better everyone should have known that before. With the restriction of highschool players not being able to enter the league anymore and foreign players being scouted much more extensively since Dirk Nowitzki there are even less surprises in the draft as evidenced by the average draft position of the great players in the last 10 years.
And that trend will not change with Kevin Durant #2, Blake Griffin #1, Derek Rose #1, Russell Westbrook #4, Kevin Love #5, John Wall #1, Kyrie Irving #1, Ricky Rubio #5 and other possible candidates eventually getting in that list.
When you look back at the last 25 years and the franchise players that have been in the league the only franchise players not drafted in the top 5 were Steve Nash #15, Kobe Bryant #13, Tracy McGrady #9, Dirk Nowitzki #9 and Brandon Roy #6.
I do not consider Manu Ginobili or Ben Wallace franchise players.
Brandon Roy misses the cut by 1 spot, McGrady and Kobe were highschoolers before the hype and teams were wary plus Kobe refused to work out for almost anyone and Dirk Nowitzki was a foreign prospect at a time where oversea scouting wasn't where it is now. Dirk Nowitzki was a pioneer pick in that regard pretty much.
You have to go all the way back to 1985 Karl Malone at #13 and John Stockton in 1984 at 16 to find franchise players that were drafted outside the top 10.
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