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1. Cardinals' Defensive and Offensive Rankings:

Yards: D: 24th; O: 10th

Rushing: D: 14th; O: 27th

Passing: D: 29th; O: 5th

Sacks: D: 8th; O: 5th

1st Downs: D: 11th; O: 8th

3rd Down %: D: 3rd; O: 25th

Red Zone %: D: 9th; O: 1st

Points Per Game: D: 13th; O: 10th

Defensive Summary:

The Surprising: 8th in sacks, 3rd in 3rd Down %, 9th in Red Zone %, 13th in Points Per Game.

*We lament the lack of a pass rush, but 8th in the NFL ain't too shabby at all.

*Being 3rd in 3rd Down stops is outstanding, which makes it all the more mystifying as to how the Titans converted all of their 3rd and 4th downs on their 18 play 99 yards drive. To that point the Cardinals' defense, save the 85 yard Chris Johnson TD gallop, had kept the team in the game by forcing field goals and drive stoppers.

*9th in Red Zone % is far better than last year...far better.

*And, being 13th in points per game shows real progress from last year as well.

The bottom line is, the defense is giving up a lot of yards but they are getting enough quality stops on 3rd downs and in the red zone to allow the team to win games.

Offensive Summary:

*10th in Yards and Points Per Game is good for most teams, but not great for this offense. The reason? Look at the 3rd down %...25th in the NFL. If the Cardinals start taking care of that aspect and treat it as they do their red zone percentages (1st in the NFL), this offense could start to explode. It needs to because, like last year, the Cardinals will need to outscore the good teams in the high 20s to mid to high 30s to win.

*The real surprise? 5th in sacks allowed. We lament this aspect of the Cardinals' game as well, but 5th is danged good...which is why they remain in the top 5 in passing.

Warner Speculation:

Here's my hunch. Had it been a week where another high profile QB had not gone down with a concussion, Warner would have played versus Tennessee. The fact that Big Ben was ruled out by the Steelers as early as mid-week, gave Warner added pause and time to consider further whether he should play or not. I don't think some sensivity to light would have deterred him from playing.

Let's remember that Warner is one tough cookie and is no stranger to playing hurt and in pain. Two years ago he played the entire second half of the season with a dislocated left elbow. Last year he played the second half of the season and throughout the playoffs with the sore hip. The fact that his current injury is concussion related obviously has made him more cautious, and rightfully so. But, Big Ben will be returning this week---and, unlike Warner, Big Ben has had a recent history of serious concussions.

As for the speculation about next year, I think we will see a repeat of what Warner did at the end of last year. He will contemplate retiring for about a week and then realize that his mind and heart are still on football.

Warner is having a blast, my friends. Sure, like any pro football player, he's concerned about his long-term health. But, Warner has been amazingly resilient and has remained in very good shape, despite the elbow and hip issues. It would not surprise me in the least if he looks at what Brett Favre is doing at 40 and says to himself, "hey, why can't I do the same?" The key is: Favre is having a blast and so is Warner. They are still playing at an elite level at a profession they love. They are also playing for teams that are perfectly suited for them. Thus, it would not surprise me if Warner actually plays a year or two beyond next year.

And one more point: Warner has a lot more left on his tires than Favre, as Favre has played and been the starter every year and practically every game of every year for over two decades. Warner has had the few years after his Rams' tenure (5 years) where he did not play all that much, and has only been starting in Arizona for two and a half years now.

Whiz Quote on the Defense:

There was a very interesting quote from Whiz yesterday where he attributed some of the team's defensive woes in the Tennessee game to changing away from their normal schemes to adjust to the Titans' offense. He said some of those changes "caused problems."

My reaction to this is two-fold:

(1) as an ex-coach I know exactly what Whiz means, because most coaches learn that you do what you do best and stick with it, regardless of the opponent...that the minute you start changing what you do, you can lose the sense of what you do best.

(2) on the other hand, and this is what's so exasperating about the Cardinals' defense...as we saw in the Super Bowl and the Titans' game...they can be playing good, hard, clutch football that keeps the team in the game, but when the game is on the line they blow down like a house of cards.

The thing is, whatever BD and his players were doing for the first 3 and 5/6 quarters was more than getting the job done. Yes, at times, they were giving up some long plays...but they were also making plenty of good stops...and with 2:37 left, despite giving up the 85 yard TD to Chris Johnson and the long pass to Kenny Britt, they had only given up 13 points to an offense that is extremely difficult to defend, especially because of the running of not only Chris Johnson, but the running of Vince Young (which the Cardinals did a great job containing).

Normally, with the Cardinals' offense, like in past weeks, if all the defense has given up is 13-17 points, the game is well in hand.

The two things Bill Davis has to sell his defense on when it has to preserve a lead late are:

(1) he has to impress upon his pass rushers that this is the best time for sacks...because they can tee off every play...also that these are the sacks that make the highlight reels...and, in keeping with that notion, I would love to see Davis rush Adrian Wilson EVERY down in some shape of fashion when the game is one the line.

(2) he has to stress ball vision,reaction and skills with his DBs...hopefully this week he is having them go through ball drill after ball drill. Every player in the secondary needs these drills...as good as DRC has been in coverage, how many near interceptions has he dropped this year? How about the one he should have had in the first half versus the Titans where he had the go route blanketed perfectly, but did not react more decisively to the ball and only got his fingertips on it? If DRC starts making those type of interceptions he is going to garner a significant number of Pro Bowl votes.
 
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on the other hand, and this is what's so exasperating about the Cardinals' defense...as we saw in the Super Bowl and the Titans' game...they can be playing good, hard, clutch football that keeps the team in the game, but when the game is on the line they blow down like a house of cards.

Looking at the above and the number you posted regarding passing D, 29th, reaffirms my contention that the Cards problems on defense are related to weak secondary depth. Michael Adams, Matt Ware and Ralph Brown just aren't up to the task of adequately staffing our nickel and dime packages.

Add in that our two starting safeties are better at defending the run than the pass and you have a perfect recipe for surrendering points or yards against a team in serious passing mode.

Note: Just because teams are throwing the ball more doesn't mean they should complete more passes. Instead our guys should have more pdf's and INTs.

I'd also like to see the Cards 3rd down % (defense) with less than 5 and longer than 7 to go. I'd be willing to bet the latter is nowhere near as good as their overall average on 3rd down.
 

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The fact that Big Ben was ruled out by the Steelers as early as mid-week, gave Warner added pause and time to consider further whether he should play or not.
I didn't think Big Ben was ruled out until late Saturday night.
 

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Some good points.

But, I don't know how you can not adjust your defense when you play a player like Vince Young.

If you don't spy him, he will hurt running the ball, just as bad as those "extended play" passes do.

Not to mention, it is hard to cover a tipped ball that lands right in the hands of the opposing TE.
 

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Some good points.

But, I don't know how you can not adjust your defense when you play a player like Vince Young.

If you don't spy him, he will hurt running the ball, just as bad as those "extended play" passes do.

Not to mention, it is hard to cover a tipped ball that lands right in the hands of the opposing TE.

You know Rugby, I think they did adjust. It seemed to me they really worked the pass rush to not let VY get to the outside. It left the middle somewhat vulnerable, but the linebackers were there to fill. IIRC it worked for the most part
 

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Being 25th on converting third downs is PITIFUL.
 

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The pressure and sacks is a disappointment when the team commits too many guys to it. The pressure is erratic, forcing the Cards to commit too many, leaving too much space for the big play, which hurts the coverage.

Like Sho, I'm bummed about the O 3rd D %.
 

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i don't think Ben's condition had anything to do with Warner's. Warner woke up with some concussion symptoms and the Cards erred on the side of caution.Nothing more, nothing less. If Ben played, Warner still wouldn't have. If the Cards had thought there was any chance of KW not playing prior to Sunday morning then Leinart would have seen alot more reps with the 1st team. It's not like the Cards got the news that Ben wasn't playing and then had a meeting and decided KW was out as well. Using that theory, i guess Warner will be playing Sunday night because BR is playing Sunday afternoon.
 

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Some good points.

But, I don't know how you can not adjust your defense when you play a player like Vince Young.

If you don't spy him, he will hurt running the ball, just as bad as those "extended play" passes do.

Not to mention, it is hard to cover a tipped ball that lands right in the hands of the opposing TE.

to me it was obvious that the Cards defense had adjusted:

Against the run: much less aggressive. No penetration at all by design. It was like: We will give Chris Johnson 4 yards in an attempt not to let him go 90.

Against the pass: it was a very controlled pass rush, more designed to squeeze the pocket than put hard, quick pressure and allow Young to escape contain and freelance.

This week: I think you will see a similar run approach, but a harder pass rush.
 

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The sacks ranking is probably 90% fools gold. The large majority of the time we get sacks is when a) we bring the house with 6+ blitzing or b) the QB holds onto the ball way too long with a sack resulting from his stupidity, not because of our LB's pass rushing skills. Just look at how great our pass rush was when we brought 4 against the Titans (or just about anyone else for that matter), worthless. An inconsistent pass rush that requires 6 or 7 men to get pressure + an inconsistent secondary is the reason our pass defense is absolutely pitiful.

I was all about drafting an OT in 1st round, but unless somebody amazing drops we need to be looking at a rushing OLB. The great state of Texas probably holds the 3 best 3-4 rush OLB prospects in the draft.
 

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one more number to ponder:

Cards rushing average per attempt: 4.1 right at the NFL average.

I will take it.
 

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one more number to ponder:

Cards rushing average per attempt: 4.1 right at the NFL average.

I will take it.

That the QB isn't getting 30% of the yards makes it even sweeter. We've come a long way from 2005.

Just getting to see Beanie Hightower run makes the price of season tickets and Direct TV Sunday ticket worth every penny.
 

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Two stats I would like to see;
1) How many yards has our defense given up in the 4th quarter? And what rank?
2) Opponents 4th down conversion rate. I just looked this up, and its a dismal 10/19. And if memory serves most of those 10 weren't the 4th and 1 variety.
 

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Being 25th on converting third downs is PITIFUL.

I don't know why, but especially this season, we have seen an overwhelming number of third down pass plays that relied on yards after the catch to pick up the first down. If those plays are being called, that is terrible strategy. I would think however, that they are not being called short, but that the routes are being run short. That is also a terribel strategy, but I have seen Breaston, and Bolding do it all year long. It is one thing to have to go to a back out of the backfield as a safety valve, but yet another to have WR's run short routes on third down. We do it far too often and Whiz should put a stop to it immediately.

On third and manageable, there is just no excuse for running a route that doesn't get first down yardage on the fly.
 

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Two stats I would like to see;
1) How many yards has our defense given up in the 4th quarter? And what rank?
2) Opponents 4th down conversion rate. I just looked this up, and its a dismal 10/19. And if memory serves most of those 10 weren't the 4th and 1 variety.

You are correct with the 4th and 1 part. Our D has been stellar on those plays. It is third and long and fourth and long where we have fallen down.

Worse yet, when fighting the clock, we fail to tackle when the pass is completed, seemingly being happy to let the guy run out of bounds to stop the clock. That is inexcusable in my opinion. Too many times I have seen Brown, Ware, and Adams simply trail the receiver from the middle of the field to the sideline, then push him out of bounds when he tries to cut up field. A burst to make the tackle before he reaches the sideline might make your lungs hurt, but it also keeps the clock running. How many of these did we see on the last drive Sunday. Guys seem just content to keep the receiver from turning upfield after allowing him to catch the ball.
 

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You are correct with the 4th and 1 part. Our D has been stellar on those plays. It is third and long and fourth and long where we have fallen down.

Worse yet, when fighting the clock, we fail to tackle when the pass is completed, seemingly being happy to let the guy run out of bounds to stop the clock. That is inexcusable in my opinion. Too many times I have seen Brown, Ware, and Adams simply trail the receiver from the middle of the field to the sideline, then push him out of bounds when he tries to cut up field. A burst to make the tackle before he reaches the sideline might make your lungs hurt, but it also keeps the clock running. How many of these did we see on the last drive Sunday. Guys seem just content to keep the receiver from turning upfield after allowing him to catch the ball.

I think every completion on that drive had a guy go out of bounds. Tennesse had 2 time outs to start the drive, and used one on the Vince Young sack and the final one to mull over 4th and goal at the :06 mark. Can't let that happen; our defense makes a stop on the field twice on that drive its a different ball game.
 

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quit talking about past hx, we have the Vikes rolling into town this week...
 

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Great post!! :cheers:

Not a big baseball fan? :D

Statistics other than w-l do matter. They give you indications on what areas need work and give us fans something to talk about during the week.

They also help show what talent areas need to be upgraded in the off season. And there's nothing this board likes better than to talk about Free Agency and the Draft.
 

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By the way Mitch-----good stuff on this post-----
 
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Not a big baseball fan? :D

Statistics other than w-l do matter. They give you indications on what areas need work and give us fans something to talk about during the week.

They also help show what talent areas need to be upgraded in the off season. And there's nothing this board likes better than to talk about Free Agency and the Draft.
Don't get me wrong, Dj. I like statistics, but I also understand how they can be manipulated.

See Clemens quote in my sig line. :wink2:
 
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