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Seahawks | All those old jokes don't fit '07 Cardinals

By José Miguel Romero
Seattle Times staff reporter

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A 6-6 record might not be much to celebrate in many football towns.
Seattle, a frequent playoff participant in recent years, for one.
But the Valley of the Sun is Cardinals-crazy these days.
Well, maybe not quite. The Cardinals have been so up and down — victories over winning teams like Seattle, Pittsburgh and Cleveland, but a pair of crushing home defeats to lowly San Francisco and Carolina — that some fans aren't jumping on the bandwagon just yet.
"I think our fans ... want to see us have a little success first," said Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt. "Our players are excited and I think that, just based on last Sunday, our fans are very excited, too, that we're in this at this time of year."
Here are the Cardinals, 27-21 winners at home last weekend against Cleveland, with their best record after 12 games since 1999 when they also were 6-6. It's a team that comes to Seattle this Sunday with eight consecutive losing seasons and its fourth head coach in that span.
"You're talking about a team that is playing a meaningful game in the second week of December," said Ron Wolfley, the team's radio broadcast analyst and a Cardinals player from 1985 to 1991. "That hasn't happened around here in quite a while."
Arizona is in a three-way tie for the second spot in the NFC wild-card race with Detroit and Minnesota, and a victory Sunday would give the Cardinals a winning record this late in the season for the first time since 1988.
There is further to go, but this is quite an accomplishment coming from where the Cardinals have been.
Before 2006, Cardinals games at Sun Devil Stadium were a joke. There was no home-field advantage playing in a rented college stadium, where the temperatures in September would soar to 100 degrees or more with little relief from the sun and heat.
The Cardinals on local television? Not when they consistently struggled to sell half the seats in the stadium.
Wolfley remembers a game in which the Cardinals were getting pounded by the Denver Broncos at home, and there were so many Broncos fans remaining in Sun Devil Stadium in the fourth quarter that they did The Wave.
Not so anymore. Arizona has a new home, University of Phoenix Stadium, awash in red and packed with Cardinals fans eager to celebrate the modest success of a franchise that for most of its history in the Phoenix area has been synonymous with losing and ineptness.
"You're starting to feel a little excitement, a little more energy in the stadium and around town because we are still involved," quarterback Kurt Warner said.
The Cardinals are the 2007 Kings of Close. Nine of their 12 games have been decided by seven points or less. Four of their defeats came down to one play.
"If we had a couple of kicks go through, we'd be sitting here with a little bit different record and then we'd really be talking about another thing," Whisenhunt said. "We're just excited to have an opportunity for this game to mean something."
Wolfley said he believes Whisenhunt has been the difference.
"A football team tends to take on the personality of its coach, and I think that's exactly what this Arizona Cardinals team has done," he said.
Warner leads an offense that is full of weapons when everyone is healthy. Wide receivers Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin are injured, though, and there's a chance neither will play.
The offensive line has enjoyed a resurgence under position coach Russ Grimm. Whisenhunt favors the run, but isn't afraid to try some play-calling trickery.
Defensively, the Arizona secondary has four interceptions returned for touchdowns. The Cardinals are hanging tough even without their two best defensive players, safety Adrian Wilson and defensive end Bertrand Berry, who are out for the season.
"They're doing a nice job this year, Arizona," Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren said. "It's one of those division games at the end of the year that are special."
Who would have thought the Cardinals would even be playing a big game at this time of the season? After all, this is the same franchise that only last season blew its big chance to beat the eventual NFC champion Chicago Bears on its first "Monday Night Football" appearance in seven years when streaky kicker Neil Rackers missed a 40-yard field goal in the closing seconds and prompted former coach Dennis Green's famous postgame "They are who we thought they were!" rant.
This year, the Cardinals are not who we thought they were.
"It's going to be one of those games," Cardinals defensive tackle Darnell Dockett told the East Valley Tribune. "Ya'll wouldn't want to miss it."
José Miguel Romero: 206-464-2409 or [email protected]
 

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A 6-6 record might not be much to celebrate in many football towns.
Seattle, a frequent playoff participant in recent years, for one.
But the Valley of the Sun is Cardinals-crazy these days.
Well, maybe not quite. The Cardinals have been so up and down — victories over winning teams like Seattle, Pittsburgh and Cleveland, but a pair of crushing home defeats to lowly San Francisco and Carolina — that some fans aren't jumping on the bandwagon just yet.
"I think our fans ... want to see us have a little success first," said Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt. "Our players are excited and I think that, just based on last Sunday, our fans are very excited, too, that we're in this at this time of year."
Here are the Cardinals, 27-21 winners at home last weekend against Cleveland, with their best record after 12 games since 1999 when they also were 6-6. It's a team that comes to Seattle this Sunday with eight consecutive losing seasons and its fourth head coach in that span.
"You're talking about a team that is playing a meaningful game in the second week of December," said Ron Wolfley, the team's radio broadcast analyst and a Cardinals player from 1985 to 1991. "That hasn't happened around here in quite a while."
Arizona is in a three-way tie for the second spot in the NFC wild-card race with Detroit and Minnesota, and a victory Sunday would give the Cardinals a winning record this late in the season for the first time since 1988.
There is further to go, but this is quite an accomplishment coming from where the Cardinals have been.
Before 2006, Cardinals games at Sun Devil Stadium were a joke. There was no home-field advantage playing in a rented college stadium, where the temperatures in September would soar to 100 degrees or more with little relief from the sun and heat.
The Cardinals on local television? Not when they consistently struggled to sell half the seats in the stadium.
Wolfley remembers a game in which the Cardinals were getting pounded by the Denver Broncos at home, and there were so many Broncos fans remaining in Sun Devil Stadium in the fourth quarter that they did The Wave.
Not so anymore. Arizona has a new home, University of Phoenix Stadium, awash in red and packed with Cardinals fans eager to celebrate the modest success of a franchise that for most of its history in the Phoenix area has been synonymous with losing and ineptness.
"You're starting to feel a little excitement, a little more energy in the stadium and around town because we are still involved," quarterback Kurt Warner said.
The Cardinals are the 2007 Kings of Close. Nine of their 12 games have been decided by seven points or less. Four of their defeats came down to one play.
"If we had a couple of kicks go through, we'd be sitting here with a little bit different record and then we'd really be talking about another thing," Whisenhunt said. "We're just excited to have an opportunity for this game to mean something."
Wolfley said he believes Whisenhunt has been the difference.
"A football team tends to take on the personality of its coach, and I think that's exactly what this Arizona Cardinals team has done," he said.
Warner leads an offense that is full of weapons when everyone is healthy. Wide receivers Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin are injured, though, and there's a chance neither will play.
The offensive line has enjoyed a resurgence under position coach Russ Grimm. Whisenhunt favors the run, but isn't afraid to try some play-calling trickery.
Defensively, the Arizona secondary has four interceptions returned for touchdowns. The Cardinals are hanging tough even without their two best defensive players, safety Adrian Wilson and defensive end Bertrand Berry, who are out for the season.
"They're doing a nice job this year, Arizona," Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren said. "It's one of those division games at the end of the year that are special."
Who would have thought the Cardinals would even be playing a big game at this time of the season? After all, this is the same franchise that only last season blew its big chance to beat the eventual NFC champion Chicago Bears on its first "Monday Night Football" appearance in seven years when streaky kicker Neil Rackers missed a 40-yard field goal in the closing seconds and prompted former coach Dennis Green's famous postgame "They are who we thought they were!" rant.
This year, the Cardinals are not who we thought they were.
"It's going to be one of those games," Cardinals defensive tackle Darnell Dockett told the East Valley Tribune. "Ya'll wouldn't want to miss it."
José Miguel Romero: 206-464-2409 or [email protected]
There it is. If Rackers was clutch and we hadn't collapsed against the niners we would be 10-2 this year.
 

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there is actually quite a bit of respect coming out of seattle

also, this is the NFL - close games happen - to everyone - if you are good enough to win games, you do - if you are not, you don't

it's that simple

85% of the teams in the league could do the ifs/whats and make a good case

if the cards had a couple breaks go the other way they could be completely buried as well - seattle's record could swing a couple games up a few games back - close games aren't worth mentioning - all that matters is the W/L
 

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If we pull off a win in Seattle you guys should organize a crowd to greet the team bus when they get back in town.
 

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Per the in-laws and Seahawk fan from the Emerald City in passing on a potential wager:

"The Seahawks should win this game, but this is exactly the kind of game they lose."
 

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I sure hope to see a few more Cards fans at Qwest this year versus last year. Go Cards!
 

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Quite honestly , the Seahawks GOT to respect us. We've played them tough over the last couple of years and many times when there was nothing to play for.
It should be one helluva game. I just hope the game isn't decided by a blown call by the refferee or a missed chip shot............................................................unless of coarse it means we won the game!:)
 

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Then again, if our two marquee players don't fumble and that Cleveland call is ruled a force-out, you'd be 4-8.

Do you find yourself cute? Every NFL game can be broken down to a couple of what ifs. We are 6-6 you are 8-4. All that matters on Monday is we'll be one game back.
 

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Then again, if our two marquee players don't fumble and that Cleveland call is ruled a force-out, you'd be 4-8.
Then again, if your two marquee players weren't injury-prone old men your team might not be in position to lose the division to a team that is missing 10 starters and learning from a first-year coach.
 

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do you know how many offensive starters played every game for the seahawks last year? The seattle team that won the division, a playoff game and took the NFC champions into OT.

1 - that was walter jones and his injury was one he could work though - and that was just the offense, the defense was a wreck as well

i think what talon is getting at is what I was getting at before - it's the NFL - close games and injuries are part of the deal

almost every team in the league can sing the same song - but at the end of the season it doesn't matter- wins and losses do, regardless of how you get them
 

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I agree. We can do all ifs and buts, but the W-L eventually matters. No one talks about how ugly a win and how close a loss in the end.

We should just go there and try to get a W. Period.
 

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do you know how many offensive starters played every game for the seahawks last year? The seattle team that won the division, a playoff game and took the NFC champions into OT.

1 - that was walter jones and his injury was one he could work though - and that was just the offense, the defense was a wreck as well

i think what talon is getting at is what I was getting at before - it's the NFL - close games and injuries are part of the deal

almost every team in the league can sing the same song - but at the end of the season it doesn't matter- wins and losses do, regardless of how you get them
What talon was getting at was that he is a whining sore loser.
 

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what does he have to whine about? ...... the seahawks can drop this game and still be in the divisional drivers seat for a 5th straight playoff appearance
 

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what does he have to whine about? ...... the seahawks can drop this game and still be in the divisional drivers seat for a 5th straight playoff appearance

And it'll be a 5th straight year of not having a title. What's your point? Are you celebrating being a little above mediocre?
 

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i'm celebrating the longest consecutive string of playoff appearances in the NFC - i mean, there's a lot of teams that have trouble even making the playoffs more than once in a 20 year span - i know, seattle had a dry spell between playoff wins, even went about a decade between appearances

makes you enjoy the fact that you have a world class stadium, owner, coach and management

only 1 team takes the championship each year - there's a lot more to enjoy than just that

so yeah - i celebrate division titles and playoff wins - do I get disapointed when they don't win it all, sure who wouldn't

but i'm sure as hell not going to whine about even being in the running
 

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what does he have to whine about? ...... the seahawks can drop this game and still be in the divisional drivers seat for a 5th straight playoff appearance
You are asking the wrong question. IMO he doesn't have anything to whine about. I would give amazing gifts to see my Cards win the division like Seattle does every year. Yet he still goes and does a "what if" about our past games in order to make us feel worse about our team. That is patheticly poor whining.
 

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MD - i really don't think it was whining

Whis stated that if a couple things broke right then this would be a huge game with both teams sporting very nice records - all he did was point out the other side of the coin

for whis there is no need to dwell on the near misses and close calls - this game is still very important for the cards - you can still "be talking about another thing" - there is a lot of season left and both of our teams are in a very favorable position - the division isn't out of reach yet and the playoffs could be very likely

no need to soften the importance of this game by pointing out that it could of been an even bigger game
 

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For the record, it wasn't whining. I was trying to point out the futility of saying things like "if only this and this had happened, we'd have a better record" by pointing out that "if only that and that had happened, you'd have a worse record." Seahawk fans have been guilty of that, too, so there's no partisanship in my prior comments. (Well, there is, because I'm a Seahawk fan pointing that out to a Cardinals fan on a Cardinals board... but that truth is still universal.)

The fact of the matter is that the team that wins is the team that did what it takes to win, and the other team did not do what it takes to win. That is just as true in our loss to you in September as it is in your losses to San Francisco and our loss in the Super Bowl. Did bad luck play a part? Certainly. Bad officiating? In many cases, yes. But even in the Super Bowl, it would have been a different game at the end if Josh Brown had made at least one of the two FGs he missed earlier in the game, and the refs can't be blamed for that.

You guys won the game against us in September because you did what you had to do to win. We lost that game because we did not do what we had to do to win. That's an acknowledgment, not a whine. Saying you got lucky or that we got unlucky doesn't take anything away from the fact that you did what you needed to do to win that game.
 
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