Somebody give me a comprehensive plan.

[Chopper0080]

I co-sign this plan. Trade Kyler and get something for him--I'm looking at you, Vegas!--go D heavy in the draft and use FA to bolster your D moves and get some speed at WR, as well as stabilize the line. I see no reason why all of that can't happen. No guarantees it would all work out, but you have to at least try to improve.

I have no idea what the trade market might look like for Kyler. He is such a non-traditional QB that there will be teams that prefer signing Mac Jones to trading for Kyler.

 

[Chopper0080]

im ready to drop a legit draft pick on some young phenom punter

I am not.

 

[ajcardfan]

The answer is honestly to dump Kyler, sign Darnold, and continue upgrading the roster. There is no reason to believe Darnold can't at least match Kyler's production this year. His contract is probably 3yrs, 120 mil (max). Maybe you can trade Kyler somewhere which would ease the contract sting.

Of the options that Darnold would have if he hit FA, have to think the Cardinals look like one of the more competitive opportunities. if the Cardinals decide to draft a QB in the near future, they have the cap space to move n from Darnold.

That would be the boldest move Bidwill has ever made. So, no chance IMO.

I think you are underestimating the contract Darnold will get as well. I expect the Giants will give him a monster contract. I also would not be shocked to see the Vikings keep him.

 

[DVontel]

That would be the boldest move Bidwill has ever made. So, no chance IMO.

I think you are underestimating the contract Darnold will get as well. I expect the Giants will give him a monster contract. I also would not be shocked to see the Vikings keep him.

Giants are in line to draft Sanders or Ward at #1. Why would they give Darnold a monster contract?

 

[Cheesebeef]

I’d rather just see what Tune has or play a rookie Day 3 QB than sign Fields, Cousins, Rodgers, or anyone else.

Fields can’t throw.

Cousins can’t even move.

Rodgers….nah.

I’d stop watching this team entirely if Rodgers’ corpse became our QB.

 

[TRW]

I’d stop watching this team entirely if Rodgers’ corpse became our QB.

Same.

 

[Chopper0080]

Giants are in line to draft Sanders or Ward at #1. Why would they give Darnold a monster contract?

Agreed. Also, Darnold gets to decide where he wants to go. He has done the playing for an awful franchise thing before and he has money. While I am not saying I think he would turn 10 mil more per year to play for a non-awful team, I don't think teams are going to spend 50 mil on him. People are seeing what it looks like when you spend 45 mil on Cousins. Darnold is not that, but I do think 40 mil is probably the top end of his market.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I asked Gemini AI to give me a comprehensive plan to make the Arizona Cardinals a consistent winning football team in the NFL


Here's a comprehensive plan for the Arizona Cardinals to become a consistently winning NFL team:
1. Foundational Pillars
* Sustainable Culture:
* Accountability: Establish a clear system of accountability for players, coaches, and staff. This includes performance standards, adherence to team rules, and consequences for underperformance.
* Discipline: Foster a disciplined environment on and off the field. This includes attention to detail, proper preparation, and a focus on fundamentals.
* Competitive Mentality: Cultivate a winning mindset throughout the organization. This includes a focus on outworking opponents, embracing challenges, and celebrating both individual and team successes.
* Strong Leadership:
* Head Coach: Hire a head coach with a proven track record of success at the NFL level. This coach should possess strong leadership qualities, effective communication skills, and the ability to motivate and inspire players.
* General Manager: Appoint a general manager with a clear vision for building a championship-caliber roster. This individual should have a strong understanding of player evaluation, salary cap management, and the NFL draft.
2. Roster Building
* Identify Core Strengths:
* Draft Strategy: Prioritize drafting players with high character, strong work ethic, and the potential to become impact players.
* Focus on positions of need: Identify areas where the team lacks talent and address them through the draft.
* Develop a long-term plan: Draft with an eye towards the future, building a sustainable foundation for success.
* Free Agency: Utilize free agency strategically to fill immediate needs and add veteran leadership.
* Target players who fit the team's culture and scheme.
* Avoid overpaying for free agents.
* Trades: Explore potential trades to acquire key players or improve draft capital.
* Develop Young Talent:
* Coaching: Invest in high-quality coaching staff that can develop young players and maximize their potential.
* Player Development: Implement a comprehensive player development program that includes strength and conditioning, nutrition, and mental skills training.
3. On-Field Execution
* Offensive Philosophy:
* Establish an identity: Determine whether the team will be primarily a run-first or pass-first offense.
* Develop a balanced attack: Utilize a balanced offensive scheme that keeps defenses off balance.
* Protect the quarterback: Invest in an offensive line that can effectively protect the quarterback and open running lanes.
* Defensive Philosophy:
* Establish a dominant defensive scheme: Implement a defensive scheme that fits the team's personnel and creates turnovers.
* Stop the run: Emphasize stopping the run to control the game and put pressure on opposing offenses.
* Generate pressure: Utilize a variety of pass-rushing techniques to disrupt opposing quarterbacks.
* Special Teams Excellence:
* Field position: Utilize special teams to gain a field position advantage.
* Turnover creation: Create turnovers on special teams through aggressive play and sound coverage.
4. Organizational Infrastructure
* State-of-the-Art Facilities: Invest in top-notch facilities that provide players with the best possible resources for training, recovery, and rehabilitation.
* Fan Engagement: Cultivate a strong connection with the fan base through community outreach, fan events, and social media engagement.
* Data-Driven Decision Making: Utilize advanced analytics to inform personnel decisions, game planning, and player development.
5. Long-Term Vision
* Sustained Success: Establish a culture of winning that extends beyond a single season.
* Competitive Advantage: Continuously identify and capitalize on competitive advantages in all areas of the organization.
* Community Impact: Make a positive impact on the local community through charitable initiatives and community involvement.
Key Takeaways:
* Building a consistently winning team requires a multi-faceted approach that addresses all aspects of the organization.
* A strong foundation of culture, leadership, and roster building is essential for long-term success.
* On-field execution, organizational infrastructure, and a long-term vision are crucial for achieving sustained success.
This plan provides a roadmap for the Arizona Cardinals to become a consistently winning team in the NFL. However, it is important to note that this is an ongoing process that requires constant evaluation, adaptation, and a commitment to excellence.

 

[ajcardfan]

Giants are in line to draft Sanders or Ward at #1. Why would they give Darnold a monster contract?

Because both of those guys suck as prospects. Neither one of them would've cracked the top 5 QBs last year.

Although, QB being the position it is, some team will talk themselves into thinking they are that good. Trey Lance and Anthony Richardson went crazy high so these kids will as well.

 

[DVontel]

Because both of those guys suck as prospects. Neither one of them would've cracked the top 5 QBs last year.

GMs don’t see it way(and I absolutely believe Sanders and Ward would have gone before Nix and arguably Penix).

Regardless how you personally feel about them, it makes no sense for the Giants to award Donald a huge contract when they will most likely be awarded the #1 overall pick.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The Raiders falling to 6th puts that horror show franchise back in play to possibly trade for Kyler for a 3rd or 4th rounder.

 

[CardNots]

I asked Gemini AI to give me a comprehensive plan to make the Arizona Cardinals a consistent winning football team in the NFL


Here's a comprehensive plan for the Arizona Cardinals to become a consistently winning NFL team:
1. Foundational Pillars
* Sustainable Culture:
* Accountability: Establish a clear system of accountability for players, coaches, and staff. This includes performance standards, adherence to team rules, and consequences for underperformance.
* Discipline: Foster a disciplined environment on and off the field. This includes attention to detail, proper preparation, and a focus on fundamentals.
* Competitive Mentality: Cultivate a winning mindset throughout the organization. This includes a focus on outworking opponents, embracing challenges, and celebrating both individual and team successes.
* Strong Leadership:
* Head Coach: Hire a head coach with a proven track record of success at the NFL level. This coach should possess strong leadership qualities, effective communication skills, and the ability to motivate and inspire players.
* General Manager: Appoint a general manager with a clear vision for building a championship-caliber roster. This individual should have a strong understanding of player evaluation, salary cap management, and the NFL draft.
2. Roster Building
* Identify Core Strengths:
* Draft Strategy: Prioritize drafting players with high character, strong work ethic, and the potential to become impact players.
* Focus on positions of need: Identify areas where the team lacks talent and address them through the draft.
* Develop a long-term plan: Draft with an eye towards the future, building a sustainable foundation for success.
* Free Agency: Utilize free agency strategically to fill immediate needs and add veteran leadership.
* Target players who fit the team's culture and scheme.
* Avoid overpaying for free agents.
* Trades: Explore potential trades to acquire key players or improve draft capital.
* Develop Young Talent:
* Coaching: Invest in high-quality coaching staff that can develop young players and maximize their potential.
* Player Development: Implement a comprehensive player development program that includes strength and conditioning, nutrition, and mental skills training.
3. On-Field Execution
* Offensive Philosophy:
* Establish an identity: Determine whether the team will be primarily a run-first or pass-first offense.
* Develop a balanced attack: Utilize a balanced offensive scheme that keeps defenses off balance.
* Protect the quarterback: Invest in an offensive line that can effectively protect the quarterback and open running lanes.
* Defensive Philosophy:
* Establish a dominant defensive scheme: Implement a defensive scheme that fits the team's personnel and creates turnovers.
* Stop the run: Emphasize stopping the run to control the game and put pressure on opposing offenses.
* Generate pressure: Utilize a variety of pass-rushing techniques to disrupt opposing quarterbacks.
* Special Teams Excellence:
* Field position: Utilize special teams to gain a field position advantage.
* Turnover creation: Create turnovers on special teams through aggressive play and sound coverage.
4. Organizational Infrastructure
* State-of-the-Art Facilities: Invest in top-notch facilities that provide players with the best possible resources for training, recovery, and rehabilitation.
* Fan Engagement: Cultivate a strong connection with the fan base through community outreach, fan events, and social media engagement.
* Data-Driven Decision Making: Utilize advanced analytics to inform personnel decisions, game planning, and player development.
5. Long-Term Vision
* Sustained Success: Establish a culture of winning that extends beyond a single season.
* Competitive Advantage: Continuously identify and capitalize on competitive advantages in all areas of the organization.
* Community Impact: Make a positive impact on the local community through charitable initiatives and community involvement.
Key Takeaways:
* Building a consistently winning team requires a multi-faceted approach that addresses all aspects of the organization.
* A strong foundation of culture, leadership, and roster building is essential for long-term success.
* On-field execution, organizational infrastructure, and a long-term vision are crucial for achieving sustained success.
This plan provides a roadmap for the Arizona Cardinals to become a consistently winning team in the NFL. However, it is important to note that this is an ongoing process that requires constant evaluation, adaptation, and a commitment to excellence.

I’ll monitor the progress from my grave over the next few centuries then I’m out…

 

[Gandhi]

I think Darnold is helped drastically with talent. His lack of mobility might be a liability here.

Say that the Vikings go far this season. What do they do with Darnold? Can they really move on from a quarterback that has taken them to, for example, the NFC Championship game?

And in that regard, would you sell Murray for a first round pick (plus more), and then buy J.J. McCarthy for a first round pick?

 

[phillycard]

I asked Gemini AI to give me a comprehensive plan to make the Arizona Cardinals a consistent winning football team in the NFL


Here's a comprehensive plan for the Arizona Cardinals to become a consistently winning NFL team:
1. Foundational Pillars
* Sustainable Culture:
* Accountability: Establish a clear system of accountability for players, coaches, and staff. This includes performance standards, adherence to team rules, and consequences for underperformance.
* Discipline: Foster a disciplined environment on and off the field. This includes attention to detail, proper preparation, and a focus on fundamentals.
* Competitive Mentality: Cultivate a winning mindset throughout the organization. This includes a focus on outworking opponents, embracing challenges, and celebrating both individual and team successes.
* Strong Leadership:
* Head Coach: Hire a head coach with a proven track record of success at the NFL level. This coach should possess strong leadership qualities, effective communication skills, and the ability to motivate and inspire players.
* General Manager: Appoint a general manager with a clear vision for building a championship-caliber roster. This individual should have a strong understanding of player evaluation, salary cap management, and the NFL draft.
2. Roster Building
* Identify Core Strengths:
* Draft Strategy: Prioritize drafting players with high character, strong work ethic, and the potential to become impact players.
* Focus on positions of need: Identify areas where the team lacks talent and address them through the draft.
* Develop a long-term plan: Draft with an eye towards the future, building a sustainable foundation for success.
* Free Agency: Utilize free agency strategically to fill immediate needs and add veteran leadership.
* Target players who fit the team's culture and scheme.
* Avoid overpaying for free agents.
* Trades: Explore potential trades to acquire key players or improve draft capital.
* Develop Young Talent:
* Coaching: Invest in high-quality coaching staff that can develop young players and maximize their potential.
* Player Development: Implement a comprehensive player development program that includes strength and conditioning, nutrition, and mental skills training.
3. On-Field Execution
* Offensive Philosophy:
* Establish an identity: Determine whether the team will be primarily a run-first or pass-first offense.
* Develop a balanced attack: Utilize a balanced offensive scheme that keeps defenses off balance.
* Protect the quarterback: Invest in an offensive line that can effectively protect the quarterback and open running lanes.
* Defensive Philosophy:
* Establish a dominant defensive scheme: Implement a defensive scheme that fits the team's personnel and creates turnovers.
* Stop the run: Emphasize stopping the run to control the game and put pressure on opposing offenses.
* Generate pressure: Utilize a variety of pass-rushing techniques to disrupt opposing quarterbacks.
* Special Teams Excellence:
* Field position: Utilize special teams to gain a field position advantage.
* Turnover creation: Create turnovers on special teams through aggressive play and sound coverage.
4. Organizational Infrastructure
* State-of-the-Art Facilities: Invest in top-notch facilities that provide players with the best possible resources for training, recovery, and rehabilitation.
* Fan Engagement: Cultivate a strong connection with the fan base through community outreach, fan events, and social media engagement.
* Data-Driven Decision Making: Utilize advanced analytics to inform personnel decisions, game planning, and player development.
5. Long-Term Vision
* Sustained Success: Establish a culture of winning that extends beyond a single season.
* Competitive Advantage: Continuously identify and capitalize on competitive advantages in all areas of the organization.
* Community Impact: Make a positive impact on the local community through charitable initiatives and community involvement.
Key Takeaways:
* Building a consistently winning team requires a multi-faceted approach that addresses all aspects of the organization.
* A strong foundation of culture, leadership, and roster building is essential for long-term success.
* On-field execution, organizational infrastructure, and a long-term vision are crucial for achieving sustained success.
This plan provides a roadmap for the Arizona Cardinals to become a consistently winning team in the NFL. However, it is important to note that this is an ongoing process that requires constant evaluation, adaptation, and a commitment to excellence.

This is all great on paper Ron but really? AI doesn't know that this is the Arizona Cardinals we're talking about. If this team did half of this right, I think we'd all keel over due to cardiac arrest.

 

[ajcardfan]

GMs don’t see it way(and I absolutely believe Sanders and Ward would have gone before Nix and arguably Penix).

Regardless how you personally feel about them, it makes no sense for the Giants to award Donald a huge contract when they will most likely be awarded the #1 overall pick.

I admit I have no idea how the Giants are thinking. It just seems they might want to win now rather than take years with a rookie. Sanders is the second best player on his own team.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Say that the Vikings go far this season. What do they do with Darnold? Can they really move on from a quarterback that has taken them to, for example, the NFC Championship game?

And in that regard, would you sell Murray for a first round pick (plus more), and then buy J.J. McCarthy for a first round pick?

Dude… no one is giving up a 1st round pick for Murray, much less a 1st rounder PLUS more.

 

[Stout]

The Raiders falling to 6th puts that horror show franchise back in play to possibly trade for Kyler for a 3rd or 4th rounder.

We can get more for them. I'm betting we can bilk them out of a 2nd rouner.

 

[oaken1]

Dude… no one is giving up a 1st round pick for Murray, much less a 1st rounder PLUS more.

They will. Just ask for a 2026 pick. General rule of thumb is each year in the future devalued the pick one round.
So ask for a 2026 first and a 2025 third...basically a 2 and a 3 ...that's cheap if a team thinks the lowly cardinals have misused him

 

[Gandhi]

Dude… no one is giving up a 1st round pick for Murray, much less a 1st rounder PLUS more.

I will just quote myself from another thread:

"I mentioned in another post how Bill Walsh has a theory that you should judge a player by his highest level, and then trust that the teams’ coaches can get that play out of him consistently. Are you really telling me that no team wants Kyler Murray’s highs week in and week out? Because someone is certain to think that they can get that. And are you telling me that no one thinks they can do better than the Cards, who are consistently among the bottom half of the NFL?

Not to forget that someone will lose out on the two-three acceptable options in the draft and free agency. Are the Titans entering the season with Will Levis? Are New Orleans again going to tell their fans that Derek Carr is the answer? The entire new brain trust with the Jets. Will they try to convince everyone that a washed up Aaron Rodgers or Tyrod Taylor will lead them to the playoffs after eight losing seasons in a row?

Then there is the – to me – strange belief that every team, that can realistically get the #1 pick, will fall in love with either Cam Ward or Sheduer Sanders. That there is no world where they are not convinced that either is the right guy. That they must take a quarterback. Say that Joe Schoen with the Giants are enamored with Kyler Murray, and don’t have strong conviction of any of the rookies. Are you truly suggesting to go with the rookie anyway instead of doing what you believe is best for the organization?

I am sorry. I guess that we will just have to agree to disagree that Kyler Murray has no believers out there."

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Sage words my friend, ty. The entire Murray saga has been really unique for me in terms of my lifelong Cardinals fandom. Skewed it in some weird ways.

But anyway.

Wishing you and your fam the very best this holiday season ouchie. Take care man!

You as well, buddy! Hope y’all have nothing but happiness, love, and laughter!

(In other words, don’t watch anymore cardinals games)











PS - I won’t take my own advice . . . about not watching

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Giants are in line to draft Sanders or Ward at #1. Why would they give Darnold a monster contract?

Because maybe they think those guys suck? I wouldn’t be excited about blowing the #1 overall pick on either guy.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I’d stop watching this team entirely if Rodgers’ corpse became our QB.

No you wouldn’t. We would be watching like buddy Ryan’s last season. Rooting for every loss to get the front office and everyone else canned.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I asked Gemini AI to give me a comprehensive plan to make the Arizona Cardinals a consistent winning football team in the NFL


Here's a comprehensive plan for the Arizona Cardinals to become a consistently winning NFL team:
1. Foundational Pillars
* Sustainable Culture:
* Accountability: Establish a clear system of accountability for players, coaches, and staff. This includes performance standards, adherence to team rules, and consequences for underperformance.
* Discipline: Foster a disciplined environment on and off the field. This includes attention to detail, proper preparation, and a focus on fundamentals.
* Competitive Mentality: Cultivate a winning mindset throughout the organization. This includes a focus on outworking opponents, embracing challenges, and celebrating both individual and team successes.
* Strong Leadership:
* Head Coach: Hire a head coach with a proven track record of success at the NFL level. This coach should possess strong leadership qualities, effective communication skills, and the ability to motivate and inspire players.
* General Manager: Appoint a general manager with a clear vision for building a championship-caliber roster. This individual should have a strong understanding of player evaluation, salary cap management, and the NFL draft.
2. Roster Building
* Identify Core Strengths:
* Draft Strategy: Prioritize drafting players with high character, strong work ethic, and the potential to become impact players.
* Focus on positions of need: Identify areas where the team lacks talent and address them through the draft.
* Develop a long-term plan: Draft with an eye towards the future, building a sustainable foundation for success.
* Free Agency: Utilize free agency strategically to fill immediate needs and add veteran leadership.
* Target players who fit the team's culture and scheme.
* Avoid overpaying for free agents.
* Trades: Explore potential trades to acquire key players or improve draft capital.
* Develop Young Talent:
* Coaching: Invest in high-quality coaching staff that can develop young players and maximize their potential.
* Player Development: Implement a comprehensive player development program that includes strength and conditioning, nutrition, and mental skills training.
3. On-Field Execution
* Offensive Philosophy:
* Establish an identity: Determine whether the team will be primarily a run-first or pass-first offense.
* Develop a balanced attack: Utilize a balanced offensive scheme that keeps defenses off balance.
* Protect the quarterback: Invest in an offensive line that can effectively protect the quarterback and open running lanes.
* Defensive Philosophy:
* Establish a dominant defensive scheme: Implement a defensive scheme that fits the team's personnel and creates turnovers.
* Stop the run: Emphasize stopping the run to control the game and put pressure on opposing offenses.
* Generate pressure: Utilize a variety of pass-rushing techniques to disrupt opposing quarterbacks.
* Special Teams Excellence:
* Field position: Utilize special teams to gain a field position advantage.
* Turnover creation: Create turnovers on special teams through aggressive play and sound coverage.
4. Organizational Infrastructure
* State-of-the-Art Facilities: Invest in top-notch facilities that provide players with the best possible resources for training, recovery, and rehabilitation.
* Fan Engagement: Cultivate a strong connection with the fan base through community outreach, fan events, and social media engagement.
* Data-Driven Decision Making: Utilize advanced analytics to inform personnel decisions, game planning, and player development.
5. Long-Term Vision
* Sustained Success: Establish a culture of winning that extends beyond a single season.
* Competitive Advantage: Continuously identify and capitalize on competitive advantages in all areas of the organization.
* Community Impact: Make a positive impact on the local community through charitable initiatives and community involvement.
Key Takeaways:
* Building a consistently winning team requires a multi-faceted approach that addresses all aspects of the organization.
* A strong foundation of culture, leadership, and roster building is essential for long-term success.
* On-field execution, organizational infrastructure, and a long-term vision are crucial for achieving sustained success.
This plan provides a roadmap for the Arizona Cardinals to become a consistently winning team in the NFL. However, it is important to note that this is an ongoing process that requires constant evaluation, adaptation, and a commitment to excellence.

In other words even AI can’t come up with a realistic plan to fix the cardinals. I’m somewhat surprised it didn’t answer: “Fold the team and let the terminator do his job on the bidwill family.”

 

[DVontel]

Because maybe they think those guys suck? I wouldn’t be excited about blowing the #1 overall pick on either guy.

Be realistic with yourself then be honest with me.

Holding the #1 pick in the draft, do you really think they’re going forgo a QB then signed Sam Darnold to a big contract?

 

[Goodyear Card]

I have no idea why you keep saying this. We can easily move on from KM THIS season and are surely not stuck with him for TWO. Where is this coming from?

There is a huge cap hit if we release him in the next two years. It would be a record for a cap hit. If it is so easy please state how.