Someone explain AJ Green to me?

[Krangodnzr]

Interesting that Kyler throws more jump balls to Wesley than Green.

I think it's a trust thing.

 

[Krangodnzr]

He’s fine as a #2 WR.

Yep. This is about what I envisioned Green being when the Cardinals signed him.

Big upgrade over Fitz.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Omg, when he only used 1 hand & didn't lay out for that pass I wanted to throw the remote at the tv. It wasn't as difficult of a catch as it looked if he put forth more effort. You're right on the long reception, that was Kyler's fault, he underthrew it, easy TD if he leads him more.

Yeah that's a huge play if he catches it. And it was definitely catchable.

 

[Stout]

One thing is certain, we need to draft WR next year. As far as I’m concerned, Hop can’t be trusted to stay healthy. He’s still very good, but losing his elite label. Green was a great pickup, but he’s obviously at the end of his career. Kirk is a decent 3, but can’t step up when we need him to do more. God only knows what this offense would look like right now if not for Ertz. And Rondale does appear to be injury prone. Sure wish we had drafted CeeDee Lamb.

We've drafted far too many receivers and our current GM is no good at it. Go the FA route instead.

 

[juza76]

One thing is certain, we need to draft WR next year. As far as I’m concerned, Hop can’t be trusted to stay healthy. He’s still very good, but losing his elite label. Green was a great pickup, but he’s obviously at the end of his career. Kirk is a decent 3, but can’t step up when we need him to do more. God only knows what this offense would look like right now if not for Ertz. And Rondale does appear to be injury prone. Sure wish we had drafted CeeDee Lamb.

Rondale has been targeted couple of times over 10yards, difficult to judge his future contribution
Certainly he struggle to stay healthy with that amount of screen passes
We keep drafting players and using them differently
Simmons ss
Collins ilb/olb
Moore wr/rb

 

[football karma]

Yep. This is about what I envisioned Green being when the Cardinals signed him.

Big upgrade over Fitz.

through 16 games -- i think his production is very close to best case scenario

50 catches, 16.5 yards/catch, 3 tds

 

[Russ Smith]

Yep. This is about what I envisioned Green being when the Cardinals signed him.

Big upgrade over Fitz.

To be clear I agree he's a huge upgrade from what Fitz did last year. I guess what I'm asking is can anybody explain why he seems to do these weird things? Remember one of the first games of the year he ran smack into Kirk on a crossing pattern, it's actually something he's done a few times this year. There's been several games where he makes a catch downfield and just falls down with no effort to keep running etc.

Then other times we see him turn a screen into a TD, or make a spectacularly leaping boxout catch. I've seen his whole career but I never watched him play this much until this year has he always had this tendency to take so many plays off, or is it just an age thing?

I don't see the concern on D Hop that people seem to be expressing he's never missed games before this year and suddenly people think he's injury prone or on decline? His catches were down because we were spreading the ball around, you can see the dramatic difference in our offense when he's not in there.

We have so many needs I do wonder will the Cards go after a younger version of Green in FA, draft someone like Drake London to be him, or will they try and bring him back a year older. I kind of doubt he's back I think the Cards will look at is he was productive but we need to get younger and we need to be more consistent there.

 

[Harry]

Im sure you'll have a powerpoint presentation to show AJ constantly open. I look forward to your ALL 22 clips showing that Harry. Surely you're not just saying that.


Wesley has the quick twitch. AJ can still highpoint the ball but its usually when its a lollipop like against the Jags and Lions games. Not knocking him for it. He is 34.

I’m sure you’re not just saying he’s 34

 

[Harry]

One thing is certain, we need to draft WR next year. As far as I’m concerned, Hop can’t be trusted to stay healthy. He’s still very good, but losing his elite label. Green was a great pickup, but he’s obviously at the end of his career. Kirk is a decent 3, but can’t step up when we need him to do more. God only knows what this offense would look like right now if not for Ertz. And Rondale does appear to be injury prone. Sure wish we had drafted CeeDee Lamb.

Funny thing. I wanted Lamb that year.

 

[SoonerLou]

To be clear I agree he's a huge upgrade from what Fitz did last year. I guess what I'm asking is can anybody explain why he seems to do these weird things? Remember one of the first games of the year he ran smack into Kirk on a crossing pattern, it's actually something he's done a few times this year. There's been several games where he makes a catch downfield and just falls down with no effort to keep running etc.

Then other times we see him turn a screen into a TD, or make a spectacularly leaping boxout catch. I've seen his whole career but I never watched him play this much until this year has he always had this tendency to take so many plays off, or is it just an age thing?

I don't see the concern on D Hop that people seem to be expressing he's never missed games before this year and suddenly people think he's injury prone or on decline? His catches were down because we were spreading the ball around, you can see the dramatic difference in our offense when he's not in there.

We have so many needs I do wonder will the Cards go after a younger version of Green in FA, draft someone like Drake London to be him, or will they try and bring him back a year older. I kind of doubt he's back I think the Cards will look at is he was productive but we need to get younger and we need to be more consistent there.

I really do hope we win the Super Bowl. However, its a night and day difference when watching the Chiefs/Bengals game earlier vs. us.

Ertz is basically Fitz, but with the benefit of a more experienced Kyler. Just cant count on YAC. Kelce is older but can still maneuver down the field. Green can still get downfield and make big catches. However, outside of Hopkins Im not sure we have a guy who can turn a 10 yard pass into 30. Bengals have a guy who can turn into 60. Rondale could potentially be that but still has some polish to go.

One thing is certain, we need to draft WR next year. As far as I’m concerned, Hop can’t be trusted to stay healthy. He’s still very good, but losing his elite label. Green was a great pickup, but he’s obviously at the end of his career. Kirk is a decent 3, but can’t step up when we need him to do more. God only knows what this offense would look like right now if not for Ertz. And Rondale does appear to be injury prone. Sure wish we had drafted CeeDee Lamb.

Again I hope we win the Super Bowl and pick last.

However, this draft is loaded with Wrs who might fall to the bottom of the 1st round. Depending on what we do in FA I'd be tempted. Just did a fanspeak NFL mock draft where the OSU wrs were avaiable. Idk it'd be tempting.

 

[TheCardFan]

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I agree with you but Kyler really hasn't thrown that many to Hop in the red zone either. More this year for sure but not as much as he should have IMO.

 

[TheCardFan]

One thing is certain, we need to draft WR next year. As far as I’m concerned, Hop can’t be trusted to stay healthy. He’s still very good, but losing his elite label. Green was a great pickup, but he’s obviously at the end of his career. Kirk is a decent 3, but can’t step up when we need him to do more. God only knows what this offense would look like right now if not for Ertz. And Rondale does appear to be injury prone. Sure wish we had drafted Justin Jefferson.

FTFY

Green, Kirk, and Ertz are all free agents in 2022 as well.

 

[TheCardFan]

We've drafted far too many receivers and our current GM is no good at it. Go the FA route instead.

Agreed - we suck at drafting WR's lately.

However, FA WR's are EXPENSIVE! Unless you get lucky with a guy like Green - unlikely for the most part.

Here are the top ones signed last year (11-18m/year).

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[Russ Smith]

FTFY

Green, Kirk, and Ertz are all free agents in 2022 as well.

Yeah in hindsight the whole league is kicking themselves for not picking him.

There's some talk that Denver might be looking to move Jerry Jeudy this offseason they gave contracts to Sutton and Patrick to new deals and some Denver media is thinking they might try to include Jeudy in a trade to get a QB. Obviously we aren't going to have a high enough pick to do that but if they do end up looking to deal him it probably won't get them a 1st round pick right now if I were the Cards I'd definitely kick the tires. he's had injuries and too many drops but the problem on that team is at QB not WR.

But my guess is they will get themselves a QB and have one of the most improved offenses in the NFL next year with their run game, Sutton, Patrick AND Jeudy.

 

[SoonerLou]

Agreed - we suck at drafting WR's lately.

However, FA WR's are EXPENSIVE! Unless you get lucky with a guy like Green - unlikely for the most part.

Here are the top ones signed last year (11-18m/year).

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Critical that Rondale Moore takes a major step forward next year.

 

[TheCardFan]

Critical that Rondale Moore takes a major step forward next year.

Best case scenario - he fills the Kirk role next year but I think its highly unlikely. He doesn't seem to be the downfield threat like Kirk...more of a gadget guy.

 

[Stout]

Agreed - we suck at drafting WR's lately.

However, FA WR's are EXPENSIVE! Unless you get lucky with a guy like Green - unlikely for the most part.

Here are the top ones signed last year (11-18m/year).

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No doubt! Keim has put us in a real pickle re: the WR position.

 

[Stout]

Best case scenario - he fills the Kirk role next year but I think its highly unlikely. He doesn't seem to be the downfield threat like Kirk...more of a gadget guy.

Absolute best case. He hasn't done much to be a #3/4 let alone a #2, though.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

Critical that Rondale Moore takes a major step forward next year.

He's never gonna make the jump if KK keeps using him for gadget plays. He should be learning the whole route tree, running delayed drags across the middle. Get him in space & he can make people miss because he's good at it. The deeper the route, may only have 1 guy to make miss & he's gone. I don't think we'll resign Kirk ( probably asking for too much?) Moore will have to play his spot in the slot in 2022.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Ertz is basically Fitz, but with the benefit of a more experienced Kyler. Just count cant on YAC. Kelce is older but can still manuever down the field. Green can still get downfield and make big catches. However, outside of Hopkins Im not sure we have a guy who can turn a 10 yard pass into 30. Bengals have a guy who can turn into 60. Rondale could potentially be that but still has some polish to go.

Yeah, Ertz is probably is a little better route runner, and has a little better hands than Maxx Williams, but neither does he possess the strength for YAC, or blocking ability of Williams.

Williams was a vicious blocker. Just moving guys right out of the picture frame. He would also occasionally shed a tackler, and would move the pile forward (or at least fall forward) after contact.

Don't get me wrong. Ertz is sure handed, is producing, and I'm thankful we have him. But call me crazy if you want, I think Williams brought a little more to table, and I hope he comes back at 100%.

Agree with your overall take that our WR corp is not nearly as good without DHop. Very average in fact.

 

[PACardsFan]

We've drafted far too many receivers and our current GM is no good at it. Go the FA route instead.

If necessary, I have no problem going the FA route. But, with the WR position, like the QB position, you keep drafting them until you get it right.

 

[TheCardFan]

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[oaken1]

I get the impression from green that he just doesn't wanna be the guy no more. I think he was happy we had dhop so he could be jag and play out a couple more seasons.
Dude used to blaze down the sidelines like a rocket when he was younger...deceptive speed for his size.
He didn't get a ton of playoff opportunities at cincy so hopefully he tries to make this one count

 

[cardncubfan]

FTFY

Green, Kirk, and Ertz are all free agents in 2022 as well.

Ertz is the one I want back the most. Could go either way on the other two depending on asking price.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Ertz is the one I want back the most. Could go either way on the other two depending on asking price.

same. Ertz is the legit TE this team has been missing since it chose Rob Awalt over Jay Novacek over 30 years ago.