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[Rats]

1. Rolle would be a better safety, but I can't disagree that he's a Top 10 pick at cornerback.
2. There are tons of "undersized" cornerbacks starting all around the league. Adam Jones is a mult-dimensional threat.
3. Carlos Rogers has been in the Top 15-20 all offseason. He won't get past the Redskins. Just watch.
4. Marlin Jackson is more of a safety than Antrelle Rolle is, and he probably won't be available in the second round, anyway. Regardless, at least he'd have a position and use on this team, unlike Derrick Johnson. Jackson's stock has been falling steadily since Michigan's season has ended.
5. If Johnson and Dansby are our outside linebacker next season, our run defense would be even worse than it was last year. Take that to the bank. Derrick Johnson is not a good run defender.
6. If Darling and Hayes are playing the middle, where does Orlando Huff play?

I guess a totally misinformed opinion is still an opinon.

Huff would be in the mix and Darling would be used alot like he was last season. Hayes has to step up and play more or he will be gone. Because an opinion is differant than yours does not mean it is misinformed. Johnson on the outside with Dansby on the other and Huff, Hayes, Darling and Griffith and Wilson would be a significant upgrade to what we had last year. We could not be to much worse than we were last year against the run. Again I do not think Johnson slips to 8 but if he does and Henry is on board he is our pick. I guess we will see. But we will keep talking about Johnson none the less, thanks

 

[Rats]

Rolle might be able to play safety well, but he's going to be a damn good NFL CB, IMO. Is he the fastest DB out there? No, butu then neither are guys like Surtain or Law, but they seem to do okay out on the CB island.

In todays game and especially since the enforcement of the rules Rolles style of play will be better at saftey than at Cb. He would not represent the best value at 8 for our team. I would rather trade down and get Jones or Rogers if we were to take a Cb that high in the draft.

 

[kerouac9]

Huff would be in the mix and Darling would be used alot like he was last season. Hayes has to step up and play more or he will be gone. Because an opinion is differant than yours does not mean it is misinformed. Johnson on the outside with Dansby on the other and Huff, Hayes, Darling and Griffith and Wilson would be a significant upgrade to what we had last year. We could not be to much worse than we were last year against the run. Again I do not think Johnson slips to 8 but if he does and Henry is on board he is our pick. I guess we will see. But we will keep talking about Johnson none the less, thanks

I guess that if they let us play 13 guys on defense (those seven + 4 DL + 2 CB), you're right, the running D would be improved, but I don't see that rule change on the horizon.

Hey, Rats, pimp your guy all you want. That's your right, but the Cards already have their playmaking OLB in Karlos Dansby. Yours is a vanity pick (not unlike Larry Fitzgerald last season--but a worse investment). Honestly, Antaaj Hawthorne at #8 overall would do more to staunch the bleeding in the run game than Derrick Johnson. Call a spade a spade: yours is a man-love pick. I just want to make this team better.

FYI - There were 5 teams worse than us in rushing defense last season. If there's a lesson from the McGinnis regime, it's that things can always get worse.

 

[Redsz]

There certainly isn't any man love for Adam Jones coming from your direction K9.

 

[CardinalChris]

joe,

Explain.....discuss as to why......just a "yes" doesn't cut it......only arthurracoon can get away with so few words.

This is a guy who was a 4th rounder in '04 and yet the Bears let him get away.

He's a hell of a ST'er, but man oh man.......how many 5'11"/235 MLB/WLB's do you see in this league?

Thompson was 220 LBS, so we are getting bigger!!!!

 

[spanky1]

Thompson was 220 LBS, so we are getting bigger!!!!

Thompson was never 220...........he came out of TN at 230.

 

[Redsz]

I believe Ray was listed at just over 220 lbs on azcardinals.com

 

[Rats]

I guess that if they let us play 13 guys on defense (those seven + 4 DL + 2 CB), you're right, the running D would be improved, but I don't see that rule change on the horizon.

Hey, Rats, pimp your guy all you want. That's your right, but the Cards already have their playmaking OLB in Karlos Dansby. Yours is a vanity pick (not unlike Larry Fitzgerald last season--but a worse investment). Honestly, Antaaj Hawthorne at #8 overall would do more to staunch the bleeding in the run game than Derrick Johnson. Call a spade a spade: yours is a man-love pick. I just want to make this team better.

FYI - There were 5 teams worse than us in rushing defense last season. If there's a lesson from the McGinnis regime, it's that things can always get worse.

Look how many ways do you have to be told. A pick of Johnson at 8 would be BPA not manlove. I didn't even want the guy until Russ, Longhorn, and Duckjake got me convinced. IF he is there at 8 we have to take him. Our run D is already going to be improved and with the attention that Dansby and Johnson will see our other guys will be better. We will already be better against the run than last year now that Mac is not there to be carried four yards. I just do not see us taking a saftey/corner at 8 when we can get an impact guy and still get a saftey/corner in the second round. And your FYI...this is not a McGinnis team....things get better not worse under DG.

 

[BigDavis75]

As much as I like DJ in college he outran his blocks instead of running through them, which is bad policy against the run. He would be best used as a pass-rusher, which Karlos Dansby is. I think the Cards would be best suited picking up one of the big-3 CBs (Rogers I hope) or one of the Big-3 RBs, barring any possible deals in the future.

 

[ajcardfan]

Thompson was never 220...........he came out of TN at 230.

His first season in the NFL, his official weight was 217. In fact, it still lists that on the nfl.com roster:

http://www.nfl.com/teams/rosters/ARI

 

[Rats]

As much as I like DJ in college he outran his blocks instead of running through them, which is bad policy against the run. He would be best used as a pass-rusher, which Karlos Dansby is. I think the Cards would be best suited picking up one of the big-3 CBs (Rogers I hope) or one of the Big-3 RBs, barring any possible deals in the future.

I would agree that the Rbs if Henry is not aquired should be our pick at 8. If they are gone and Johnson is there he would be BPA. We could trade down and still get Rogers.

 

[joeshmo]

Thompson was never 220...........he came out of TN at 230.

My old draft guide says Ray was 220 at the combine.

I dont ever remember Ray being 230.

 

[sundevil81]

who cares if ray was 220 or 230 he couldn't cut it, that's why he's history. we'll forget about him very soon after dj start making big time plays for us.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Denny is totally revamping the roster. Its amazing.

I wonder how many defensive mac guys are left?

bryant, r.davis pace, harris, wilson, king, hayes. just seven?

 

[HookemCards]

1. Rolle would be a better safety, but I can't disagree that he's a Top 10 pick at cornerback.
2. There are tons of "undersized" cornerbacks starting all around the league. Adam Jones is a mult-dimensional threat.
3. Carlos Rogers has been in the Top 15-20 all offseason. He won't get past the Redskins. Just watch.
4. Marlin Jackson is more of a safety than Antrelle Rolle is, and he probably won't be available in the second round, anyway. Regardless, at least he'd have a position and use on this team, unlike Derrick Johnson. Jackson's stock has been falling steadily since Michigan's season has ended.
5. If Johnson and Dansby are our outside linebacker next season, our run defense would be even worse than it was last year. Take that to the bank. Derrick Johnson is not a good run defender.
6. If Darling and Hayes are playing the middle, where does Orlando Huff play?

I guess a totally misinformed opinion is still an opinon.

Your probably right about DJ running between the tackles, but Johnson is fantastic against the run to the outside, he has so much speed nobody can get outside on him. I doubt we take him, because we are so thin at CB, but I don't think he will be the huge liability in the run game.

 

[Redsz]

From NFL.com

Johnson is more of a drag-down tackler than one who will collide on impact. He is very effective rerouting the tight ends in the short area and shows excellent avoidance skills when penetrating the backfield off the edge. Johnson has good hip snap and change-of-direction agility to pursue the action on the outside. He closes with a sudden burst and is very effective to wrap and drag down the ball carrier. He gets a good jump on the ball, easily recognizing formations and blocking schemes.

Despite his lack of ideal strength, Johnson is a good outside run defender who plays with leverage and speed to cut off the ball carrier. His lateral pursuit is evident; he consistently avoids trash and the cut block to make the tackle in space

 

[Russ Smith]

Thompson was never 220...........he came out of TN at 230.

Thompson never PLAYED at 230 at UT until AFTER his career was over and he was preparing for the draft.

If the old board had archives I'd pull out the post after we drafted Ray where I pointed out he played at 218 and every year the same thing he'd have a series of injuries because he was simply too small to play LB. My comment then was I have no idea how he got to 230 or whatever he was, but drafting him because he was now that big was nuts because he'd proven in college he couldn't get and stay that big.

 

[Russ Smith]

From NFL.com

That's my perception of him, the thing is a lot of people only saw Texas twice a year, against OU, and in the bowl game. Since OU blew them out every year the perception of their defensive players is they're overrated.

Johnson IS a very similar player to Dansby, I'll give K9 that, the thing is he's BETTER than Dansby, he's bigger, probably as fast if not faster(and Dansby is FAST), and he's a much more polished LB since he's played it longer than Dansby who was recruited to Auburn as a WR and then moved to TE and Safety before settling at LB. Dansby is a great natural pass rusher, Johnson wasn't used that much as a pass rusher his damage was done against the run and in coverage.

Dansby actually by most accounts was a guy who was a better pass rusher than run defender, and a guy who gets lost in coverage, that and his weight is why he slipped to us in round 2. I thought he did quite well in run support and when he was out hurt, run support suffered, but that was largely because the guys replacing him stunk. Johnson would fill the role Darling filled last year freeing up Dansby to do what he does best, rush the passer. If Hayes and Huff handle the middle, Okeafor solidifies his side against the run, and we get better run support from Davis or whoever, we'll be a better run defense.

Johnson causes turnovers, he's never going to be a 250 pound grind em out LB for sure, but he's not soft by any stretch.

I think he'll be off the board anyways.

 

[az jam]

I like D. Johnson but just don't think we will pick him at #8 if the Henry trade doesn't go through and one of the three RBs is still there. But this is one of the most difficult drafts to figure out so who knows what will happen

 

[CardinalChris]

Thompson was never 220...........he came out of TN at 230.

He came out 215, which is why everyone scratched their heads when we took him in the second.

 

[vinnymac]

the cardinals must have a plan already. they don't let players go just for the sake of letting players go. sounds like to me that the cardinals plan on trading down in the draft to get more draft picks, or they are freeing up some salary cap room to get the boldin deal done. probally all of the above.