Something Porter said concerns me

[Cardiac]

Catfish pretty much echoed my own frustration with the FO...there was no need for Joey Porter and especially no need for Kurt Warner to have to threaten going elsewhere in order for the Cardinals' FO to get their act together.

The proof is, had the Cardinals negotiated the deals they wound up signing from the start, they would have avoided the drama and the ensuing angst that did not have to incur.

Sometimes you HAVE to make statement signings. Penny pinching in those situations is counter-productive.

This is the essence of my rant last week...have the financial parameters in place...if the players aren't willing to work within the parameters then move on...but don't have the players in and then twiddle your thumbs and then offer a low-ball deal...it does not promote confidence in any way.

It would be great to see more of this since it would be less stressful for the fans Edge signinig happened that way. My question is how many teams use this same strategy and how many sign players when they first visit?

My point is that we DON'T know that all of this is Graves fault. There is this guy who owns the teams and signs the checks. Graves very well could have told bow tie that Warner will command this much and this is what we should offer. Bow tie shakes his head and says let him eat ice cream. Then Michael says, "Dad, let's keep trying to sign Kurt". Then MB tells RG that he will get his bow tie to sign the check but it will take longer then necessary.

My little rant has much a chance of being accurate then any other thoughts out there. In fact if you really follow how this Front Office has operated over the years you can see how things are changing over time.

With Whis's new deal just being inked we now are experiencing a very active FA period. This tells me that Whis got some assurances from the Bidwills and some more power. I doubt he was given a blank check so we will still see some bow tie issues.

 

[Cardiac]

It wouldnt have been a major loss if Graves had been shown the door.
Thank god for Michael stepping in years ago & moving this franchise forward because the old man would probably still be losing & running things like the great depression. I'm quite sure the contracts would be signed on rock tablets as each player etched out his X by his name. The sorry ass rookie contracts of Fitz, Rolle, Leinart & Brown are hopefullly a sign of the past. When Michael left life as a prosecutor to work for the Cards, thats when things changed.

:notworthy

Someone gets it!

It's just easy (lazy) to bash Graves for every perceived and actual mistake.

Graves is my hero because he started some of these changes before Michael joined the Cards. Obviously bow tie has more trust and listens to his son before a non relative.

Rome was not built in a day and it took herculean efforts from RG, MB, and Whis to get this organization out of the stone age.

 

[Catfish]

It would be great to see more of this since it would be less stressful for the fans Edge signinig happened that way. My question is how many teams use this same strategy and how many sign players when they first visit?

My point is that we DON'T know that all of this is Graves fault. There is this guy who owns the teams and signs the checks. Graves very well could have told bow tie that Warner will command this much and this is what we should offer. Bow tie shakes his head and says let him eat ice cream. Then Michael says, "Dad, let's keep trying to sign Kurt". Then MB tells RG that he will get his bow tie to sign the check but it will take longer then necessary.

My little rant has much a chance of being accurate then any other thoughts out there. In fact if you really follow how this Front Office has operated over the years you can see how things are changing over time.

With Whis's new deal just being inked we now are experiencing a very active FA period. This tells me that Whis got some assurances from the Bidwills and some more power. I doubt he was given a blank check so we will still see some bow tie issues.

Good post Cardiac-----you are right for sure about Bow Tie. Michael HAS made a significant difference, as has Whiz. But now that I really think about this, it was happening before we ever put graves in the contract business. It just really stinks that we have lost, and will continue to lose players that we really want, and that fill a certain need for us, because we, (as and organization), need to be prodded into action. Since I am the one who started this thread, I will yield to your insight however, and consider it a closed matter. Thank you for your thoughtfulness and your reply.

 

[Cardiac]

Good post Cardiac-----you are right for sure about Bow Tie. Michael HAS made a significant difference, as has Whiz. But now that I really think about this, it was happening before we ever put graves in the contract business. It just really stinks that we have lost, and will continue to lose players that we really want, and that fill a certain need for us, because we, (as and organization), need to be prodded into action. Since I am the one who started this thread, I will yield to your insight however, and consider it a closed matter. Thank you for your thoughtfulness and your reply.

My pleasure. It's like my mission in life to for the blame to be placed properly. RG isn't the smartest GM and not the most astute in evaluating talent but he isn't the idiot so many make him out to be.

As far as losing players we really want, have faith that Michael and Whis and yes even RG have enough power and say so so that bow tie won't torpedo us any more.

 

[Catfish]

My pleasure. It's like my mission in life to for the blame to be placed properly. RG isn't the smartest GM and not the most astute in evaluating talent but he isn't the idiot so many make him out to be.

As far as losing players we really want, have faith that Michael and Whis and yes even RG have enough power and say so so that bow tie won't torpedo us any more.

I hope you are right about the torpedoing part----but I sure wish we were starting Foote at WILB, and having Lenon for a back-up. I hate to rely on the draft to get instant playing talent. Thanks again.