Something to Contemplate

[wit3card]

Hard to develop them...that's the issue.

At the moment it is hard to develope O-line player and QB IMHO. To see so much top round Oline player play really bad in the last 3 years is troublesome. And there are much more than QB that bust out or don't amount to anything.

We need a good O-line coach and a good QB coach and a good prospect, I can see Mayfield Darnold and Jackson as somehow QBoF but I didn't see enough tape to be sure who will be it. Last year I didn't like Kizer or Turbisky, but who knows.

Maybe a good prospect falls to us at 10-15 hopefully we get the guy and can develop him to a good or maybe with some luck to a great QB (with a little chance to the GOAT QB, that would be nice XD, winning 6-7 SB in the next 18 years XD.)

We will see, now we need to know where we draft and who will be our coach, with Arians ... many of the prospects at QB don't make any sense.

 

[Stout]

You need a dance partner, and the Browns aren't going to pass up on a consensus #1 QB to let us trade into the spot. The dream of getting the #1 QB in this draft (at least the consensus one) is one for the pipes. We'll need to get a little lucky with a guy falling into our range.

Also, don't worry, we have an entire offseason of "the QBs this year are awful, wait until next year" coming up.

This is the Browns you're talking about.

 

[overseascardfan]

If ARZ can fill WR & CB needs in FA the, draft a QB in Round 1 and use next 2 picks on an OT (potential to play both spots) and a OG.

 

[Solar7]

This is the Browns you're talking about.

The Browns with a semi-competent GM now. And two years of being burned on not taking guys that could be "the guy."

 

[cardncubfan]

Neither is our GM.

Cooper & Hump were considered the best at their positions by many of the experts. It's Keims fault he drafted consensus top picks at their positions & one has failed? Everybody at the time thought they were great picks. It happens.

 

[Snakester]

Cooper & Hump were considered the best at their positions by many of the experts. It's Keims fault he drafted consensus top picks at their positions & one has failed? Everybody at the time thought they were great picks. It happens.

I thought they were both second rounders and were picked way to high, but they were need picks. That's what Keim has been doing is drafting for need instead of drafting best player available that's why in the first round things aren't working out. its not until after the first round that he's been hitting on picks.

 

[daves]

This is exactly why the Arians offense is in such trouble. It requires a solid Offensive line or a QB who has the ability to make quick reads and even figure out where the best option was by reading the defense before the snap and get the ball out hot.

Whose offense doesn't require either a solid O-line or a QB who can make quick reads and read defenses? Which QB is thriving right now despite lacking the ability to make quick reads and read defenses??

...dave

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cooper & Hump were considered the best at their positions by many of the experts. It's Keims fault he drafted consensus top picks at their positions & one has failed? Everybody at the time thought they were great picks. It happens.

Cub... I know you love this team, but come on. You’ve got to admit sometime that love forces you to see players through rose colored glasses (John Brown being Antonio Browns equal for example), but you’re just making things up as far as Hump is concerned.

No one viewed him as the BEST OT in the draft. He was viewed as completely raw talent, a project with injury/motor issues. The only people who called that a great pick at Time we’re prob Darren Urban and you .

And I’m not just talking about the guys in the first round. His fourth round OL have been disasters also. One didn’t even make it out of training camp!

 

[DVontel]

If ARZ can fill WR & CB needs in FA the, draft a QB in Round 1 and use next 2 picks on an OT (potential to play both spots) and a OG.

I think we should do the opposite, tbh.

 

[WisconsinCard]

No one viewed him as the BEST OT in the draft. He was viewed as completely raw talent, a project with injury/motor issues. The only people who called that a great pick at Time we’re prob Darren Urban and you .

And Tood McShay and Mel Kiper

He (Kiper) is talking about the possibility of him going to lions at 23

"In Humphries, a pure left tackle, needs a little work but has a lot of talent with the kind of feet he brings to the left tackle spot," Kiper said. But I think, where they're picking, the choice that you would look at more would be D.J. Humphries, if you're looking for a natural left tackle that could still be on the board at 23 and would make sense at that point."

 

[Cheesebeef]

And Tood McShay and Mel Kiper

He (Kiper) is talking about the possibility of him going to lions at 23

"In Humphries, a pure left tackle, needs a little work but has a lot of talent with the kind of feet he brings to the left tackle spot," Kiper said. But I think, where they're picking, the choice that you would look at more would be D.J. Humphries, if you're looking for a natural left tackle that could still be on the board at 23 and would make sense at that point."

Except the above ISNT what Cub said. Go back... read Cub’s words saying verbatim “Humphrey’s was THE CONSENSUS BEST PLAYER AT HIS POSITION” and that they made “GREAT” picks.

The above literally says NONE of that. It says at this time in the draft, that seems like the place to go... but you completely ignore the facts show that Humphries was what... the FOURTH LT taken. How can you be the consensus best player at your position... at LT no less and go 23rd and after three other LTs?

Simple. You can’t.

And again... no one in your quite uttered the word Great about that pick, which is what I was responding to.

 

[Cheesebeef]

And Tood McShay and Mel Kiper

He (Kiper) is talking about the possibility of him going to lions at 23

"In Humphries, a pure left tackle, needs a little work but has a lot of talent with the kind of feet he brings to the left tackle spot," Kiper said. But I think, where they're picking, the choice that you would look at more would be D.J. Humphries, if you're looking for a natural left tackle that could still be on the board at 23 and would make sense at that point."

and here's what Kiper ACTUALLY said about the Humphries pick after we made it... in a draft he gave us a C+ (and before you slam Kiper, remember, it was YOU who brought him into the convo):

"The Cardinals were a team many of us saw taking Melvin Gordon if the Wisconsin RB were available at No. 24, in part because the roster really doesn't have any gaping holes in spots you typically target with premium picks. Turns out, it was never even close with Gordon. D.J. Humphries was a bit of a reach on my board, but I can understand the pick as they look for competition at right tackle."

A bit of a reach on my board... yeah... that doesn't scream GREAT pick. Nor does it say Humphries was the consensus best player at his position... hell, it doesn't even say he's the consensus best player at his position at this point in the draft.n

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...gating-report-card-grades-from-around-the-web

 

[WisconsinCard]

and here's what Kiper ACTUALLY said about the Humphries pick after we made it... in a draft he gave us a C+ (and before you slam Kiper, remember, it was YOU who brought him into the convo):

"The Cardinals were a team many of us saw taking Melvin Gordon if the Wisconsin RB were available at No. 24, in part because the roster really doesn't have any gaping holes in spots you typically target with premium picks. Turns out, it was never even close with Gordon. D.J. Humphries was a bit of a reach on my board, but I can understand the pick as they look for competition at right tackle."

A bit of a reach on my board... yeah... that doesn't scream GREAT pick. Nor does it say Humphries was the consensus best player at his position... hell, it doesn't even say he's the consensus best player at his position at this point in the draft.n

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...gating-report-card-grades-from-around-the-web

I get it but that is what Kiper does, after the draft he gives his thoughts on where players are selected. In the article I brought up he thought 23 to the Lions was about right, so he either is playing both sides of the fence or he can't remember his lies. But right after the pick McShay said he was a day one starter, a 10 year LT, and would be the best LT drafted.

 

[Garthshort]

If Watford can play in either of the next two games, I'm hoping that Boehm can play a game or two at center. For obvious reasons.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I don't blame Keim for the Cooper or Humphries picks and think they were good choices. Cooper was an excellent pick that didn't work out. That happens. Humphries still shows a ton of promise and, health permitting, can be a top 7 LT in the league.

I didn't like the Reddick or Bucannon picks at all. Not only were there better players on the board, there were guys with NFL positions and no need for transition.

Also, I was a fan of the Nkemdiche pick.

 

[oaken1]

I remember when we picked Hump.... just about everybody here was like, "huh?? who the fleck is that?"
if the dude keeps progressing and turns into the LT he looks like he could be then it was a great pick... but considering it was a sneak attack pick it still seems we could have traded up in the second and grabbed him
the first round just aint the place to be slick. There are too many known quantities to guess or take chances.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I remember when we picked Hump.... just about everybody here was like, "huh?? who the fleck is that?"
if the dude keeps progressing and turns into the LT he looks like he could be then it was a great pick... but considering it was a sneak attack pick it still seems we could have traded up in the second and grabbed him
the first round just aint the place to be slick. There are too many known quantities to guess or take chances.

You should go back and read the draft profiles of Humphries. They are very similar. He plays mean, very talented, but has issues being a leaner and needs work on hand placement. Has a very high ceiling and, every one I have looked at, has him as a 1st round projection.

Keim can be blamed for many thing but picking DJ at 24 isn't one of them.

 

[oaken1]

You should go back and read the draft profiles of Humphries. They are very similar. He plays mean, very talented, but has issues being a leaner and needs work on hand placement. Has a very high ceiling and, every one I have looked at, has him as a 1st round projection.

Keim can be blamed for many thing but picking DJ at 24 isn't one of them.

I have read them... and I aint hating on Hump... just recalling that at the time the pick was made nobody here on asfn had Hump anywhere on their board. cant knock the guy at any spot in the draft if he turns into a solid LT...even after sitting a year. when the pick was made we were solid at LT

 

[kerouac9]

Humphries needs to play 16 games before we start crowning him. A guy who has failed to complete a season in three chances shouldn’t be celebrated as a good pick.

Much-injured collegiate prospect becomes oft-injured pro. Shocking.

 

[cardncubfan]

Cub... I know you love this team, but come on. You’ve got to admit sometime that love forces you to see players through rose colored glasses (John Brown being Antonio Browns equal for example), but you’re just making things up as far as Hump is concerned.

No one viewed him as the BEST OT in the draft. He was viewed as completely raw talent, a project with injury/motor issues. The only people who called that a great pick at Time we’re prob Darren Urban and you .

And I’m not just talking about the guys in the first round. His fourth round OL have been disasters also. One didn’t even make it out of training camp!

I guess consensus is wrong but there were a few that considered him the best OT prospect. Still, he wasn't a bad pick.



http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/d.j.-humphries?id=2552626

SOURCES TELL US
"What made me really take notice was the way he handled Shane Ray when they played. If you can block that guy, you can play in the league." -- NFC scout in charge of SEC

https://247sports.com/Player/DJ-Humphries-2568

• NATL. RANK
  3
• OT RANK
  1
• NC RANK
  1

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/d.j.-humphries?id=2552626

DRAFT ANALYSIS:
"This is a great pick for the Cardinals. Give general manager Steve Keim a lot of credit. He's rebuilt that offensive line. They signed Mike Iupati this offseason and have Jared Veldheer at left tackle. Humphries can start on the right side. Keep in mind who the quarterback is; Carson Palmer, when he starts the Cardinals win." -- Mike Mayock


https://www.milehighreport.com/2015...uting-d-j-humphries-florida-offensive-lineman


He is a 6'5, 307lb offensive lineman who is considered to be one of the top tackle prospects in this year's NFL Draft.

 

[Arz101]

Humpries should be extended when asking price is low. It is a small gamble worth taking.
Average left tackles are hard to find. I think he can only get better. Hopefully he stays healthy going forward.

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[overseascardfan]

I think we should do the opposite, tbh.

Well if Humphries or Veldheer aren't ready by Week 1 then maybe an insurance policy would be a good idea. After second round OT talent drops significantly. OG can be found in later rounds.

 

[football karma]

the draft can be brutal -- I think its akin to playing blackjack: you can play perfectly yet lose lots of money over certain periods of time. Only over reasonably longer periods of time does draft skill show up.

As an example: Les Snead of the Rams. In the same draft he takes Greg Robinson #2 overall, he drafted Aaron Donald at #13. Idiot, Genius, or Lucky?


Not to say Keim has played the draft perfectly -- i would give him a C, maybe a C-. My critique mirrors Cbus' ( i think) analysis: it seems he falls in love with players, usually athletic freaks that have a fair amount of projection built in.

His 2013 draft wasnt good, but in part due to two ACLs for HB.

2014 wasnt bad: Deone Buccannon is a solid starting player that arguably started a defensive trend. John Brown looked like a dynamic #2 speed WR his first two years, and then......?

2015 looks good with Golden and DJ with the possibility to be outstanding if Hump can stay on the field.

2016 was terrible -- his neediest draft.

Too early for 2017.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

This is exactly why the Arians offense is in such trouble. It requires a solid Offensive line or a QB who has the ability to make quick reads and even figure out where the best option was by reading the defense before the snap and get the ball out hot. Both are very hard to acquire. Since the Cardinals have neither, Arians offense is a failure waiting to happen every week.

I will go one step further. I say any NFL offense that is relying on the offensive line to be at the quality that was expected 5 to 10 years ago is going to fail these days.


Less offensive linemen being taught techniques they will need in an "NFL style offense" throughout their amateur career, less practice time in the NFL, and less time for players to develop (salary cap demanding you start and roll over youth to compete) all comes to the fact that the offensive line cannot be relied upon like it was 5 to 10 years ago.


Oakland had a great offensive line last year.......what happened ? Nothing. Just didn't have the same effect it had last year. That is too fine a line to be dumping money, time, and draft picks on.

The Cowboys offensive line was touted to the hills and back....are they making the playoffs this year?


Maybe there is a reason Arians was let go by the Steelers since they said he was going to get Big Ben killed. Maybe there is a reason why Andrew Luck is on the sidelines this year. Maybe there is a reason why the Cardinals have had to use their 3rd string QB for an elongated amount of time, twice during Arians tenure.


I keep saying this league is going to go the way of college football, sooner rather than later. While I agree a "NFL style" offense, coupled with an NFL defense will beat any team running a college type offense, the problem is NFL teams cannot run NFL offenses anymore. If that makes any sense. LOL.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I guess consensus is wrong but there were a few that considered him the best OT prospect. Still, he wasn't a bad pick.



http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/d.j.-humphries?id=2552626

SOURCES TELL US
"What made me really take notice was the way he handled Shane Ray when they played. If you can block that guy, you can play in the league." -- NFC scout in charge of SEC

https://247sports.com/Player/DJ-Humphries-2568

• NATL. RANK
  3
• OT RANK
  1
• NC RANK
  1

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/d.j.-humphries?id=2552626

DRAFT ANALYSIS:
"This is a great pick for the Cardinals. Give general manager Steve Keim a lot of credit. He's rebuilt that offensive line. They signed Mike Iupati this offseason and have Jared Veldheer at left tackle. Humphries can start on the right side. Keep in mind who the quarterback is; Carson Palmer, when he starts the Cardinals win." -- Mike Mayock


https://www.milehighreport.com/2015...uting-d-j-humphries-florida-offensive-lineman


He is a 6'5, 307lb offensive lineman who is considered to be one of the top tackle prospects in this year's NFL Draft.

Um, NONE of your quotes say he was the best. Heck only one even comes close and it only says “one of the top tackle prospects”