Sonics vs Suns 2/11

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I'm going to be at the game, too - great, exciting atmosphere, and the visuals and sound are excellent. The little video pre-intro they show is brilliantly done. I'm also impressed at how easy it is to get around, even with a sellout, which this is. The season ticket guy who calls me almost weekly trying to get me to buy a package said they have 5 or 6 upcoming games at or near sell-out already.

Getting out of the parking garage, now that's a whole different story.
 
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My two favorite teams! But my favorite is the Suns. Imagine my surprise since they are both doing so well this season. Don't underestimate the Sonics. They are a very deep team and can possibly win this game. I think the late game last night will give the Suns the edge. And probably being without Fortson. Go Suns!
 

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Should be a good one.

The Sonics get a tough break, going on the road for the second half of a back-to-back, but the Suns have the same problem in Seattle on March 6, so maybe it will even out.

For this game, the Suns are favored by 9.5, which seems a little high to me. I do like their chances of getting the W, though. :thumbup:
 

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elindholm said:
Have a great time at the game, Joe Mama!

Thanks man. I'm sure I will. My brother-in-law works for Bank of America, and he gets opportunities to get tickets at a much discounted rate. I might have to go to a few more games!

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What the hell is going on...??? Looks like we are the ones playing 2nd of back to back game.
 

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I was a good game just a bad outcome. Suns had no answer for Allen down the stretch.

Congrats to the Sonics.

Some bad calls in the second half but that happens sometimes.


Flush it and move on to Sunday. :)
 

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Not good defense most of the game except of a short while. We also gave a lot of second chance points.

Got nothing out of bench. Joe J also was also very quite.

Very few fast break points, tough luck missing some close shots. Uncharacteristic of the Suns.
 

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fun game ... makes up for the sonics dropping the one in seattle after leading by 7 with under 4 minutes left to play

both teams played really well ... a good, clean game

the officiating made some bad calls in both directions, but unfortunately that is the state of the NBA right now

nothing really atypical for this matchup

seattle did what they do ... the suns likewise

the main difference was that seattle was able to dictate pace ... they were able to limit the suns fast break opportunities and only allowed a couple of bursts

coming off a game last night they couldn't run a track meet and didn't .. the bench did what it needed to do to keep the guys fresh coming into the 4th quarter

amare is a beast and a pleasure to watch, Q can shoot and nash is exciting

both teams play an incredible style and just like the game in seattle I'm pleased to of watched a well played game by two good teams
 

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Actually, I thought the game sucked. It never felt like the Suns were up for it, and some-one forgot to take the saran wrap off the hoop! I've never seen so many layups, tosses, even dunks just roll around the rim andnot go through the net. There was one early shot where the really big Sonic, #13 I think, just strolled up the highway to the hoop, paused to look around for a split second because he, like the fans, couldn't believe no one was paying any attention to him, and jammed it in. It felt right then like we were going to be paddling hard upstream all night.

And Ridenour! I wanted to draft him because I liked his quick and in-your-face-everywhere presence, but man, what a sticky, pesky little punk! Like a friggin' gecko. Now I hate him.
 

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Definitely a poor effort from the Suns. Other than Nash, Stoudemire, and Richardson, no one showed up. Marion looked confused most of the time, Johnson was passive, and Barbosa was horrible again.

The one bright spot was that McCarty seems to be a pretty good defender after all. I guess I wasn't paying attention the right way when I watched him with the Celtics.
 

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I counted THREE 3 point field goals and TWO 3 point plays for Seattle off offensive rebounds, including one off a missed free throw. That's 15 points on 5 possessions where our defense got a stop, but didn't get the rebound. I don't know what the total 2nd chance points were, but those were absolute killers.

Our lack of defensive rebounding will be our undoing in the playoffs. There is so much to love about this team, but in 30+ years of being a fan, I can't remember a worse defensive rebounding club than this one. There have been some real bad ones over the years, but this squad is simply horrible.
 

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This was a night where I would have liked to have seen Hunter and Amare in on the floor at the same time. D'Antoni is still somewhat hesitant to put that lineup on the floor which I think could hurt us against more physical teams in the playoffs. Just something to look for down the road...

P.S. I told you guys that McCarty could play defense. :whip:
 
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This was a night where I would have liked to have seen Hunter and Amare in on the floor at the same time. D'Antoni is still somewhat hesitant to put that lineup on the floor which I think could hurt us against more physical teams in the playoffs. Just something to look for down the road...

P.S. I told you guys that McCarty could play defense. :whip:

In the chat room the other night during the Sacramento game someone asked the following question about that lineup.

"Has a lineup with both Amare and Hunter in at the same time ever not worked?"

I honestly could not remember a time when it did not. Perhaps it's because D'Antoni has such a quick hook with Hunter.

BTW Hunter is this team's Mark West or even Jake Voskuhl (even though they already have the real Jake Voskuhl). He can hardly do anything without being whistled for a foul.

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MigratingOsprey said:
seattle did what they do ... the suns likewise

both teams play an incredible style and just like the game in seattle I'm pleased to of watched a well played game by two good teams
I don't know what game you were watching. Suns definitely did not play their game.
 

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- Bottom line: Steven Hunter and L. Barbosa are going to need to play a hell of a lot better on nights in which others are struggling.

- Hunter has been non-existant on the offensive end for quite some time. And, his relationship with Mike D has turned sour. You can just see it when Hunter is yanked and walks by the coach.

On another play, Hunter doesn't box out and the guys gets an "and 1". Alvin Gentry was livid.

- This could of been a game in which Barbosa began to make a name for himself defensively. Didn't happen. And, I'm still waiting for the light to turn on. Barbosa better realize he has the tools to be a top-defender, and that's how he will stick around in this league.

- Ridnour, Daniels, and Allen ran right through the PHX D. How many times did Seattle come back and answer after PHX had made a big shot? Marion put the clamps on Allen for 1 play, and that was it.

- Jim Jackson has also been non-existant over the past 2 weeks. Not sure if his legs are trying to get a "second-wind", but his shots have been flat.

- There are 4 players that hold the key to PHX making a long playoff run: Hunter, Barbosa, Jackson, and McCarty. Not expecting miraculous numbers from them, just solid role-playing contributions EVERY night.

- Big Kudos to Seattle. They slowed the game down at every opportune time, milked every possession, and hit key shots. That's how you beat PHX when they're struggling.
 

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This is a game lost by the coach.

At the halftime, they showed a stats: Suns +15 with Nash on the bench! And late 3rd q, with Nash on the bench, we were great defensively with JimJ replacing him. The only weapon of the Sonics, pick/screen and role, didn't work that well as all of our players are interchangible. Despite them making unbelievable tough shots. Nash is back, defense can't hold against the efficient and tough Sonics' offense. And they kind of figured out how to defend in transition against Suns fastbreak, with 3-4 steals of our long passes.

McMillan should win the COY. They are a methodically sound team as Sloan's with Malone-Stockton in their primes. The Suns is the best athletic team in the league and thus can sweep those week teams that are way too inferior in talent. But athletism loses to methodism, unless you are MJ.

Sonics players are good at acting, grabbing, pushing, setting moving picks without being called, which was greatly aided by the naive plays of ours who didn't know how to exaggerate a bit to make those fouls visible to the refs and force them to call them. Malone and Stockton were masters at it.

Apropos Malone-Stockton, in comparison to Stockton, Nash dominates the ball way too much. Stockton used to run a lot through screens, setting picks without the ball. His talent was great enough that he also would have been able to play the way Nash is, in halfcourt game. Why? Because you needed to elicit as much as possible from the other talent you have on your team. During the process of a game, you figure out how others are performing and then ride your hot hands. The supporting acts then were far less talented than the Suns now. In other words, the Suns are underutilizing their talent as a team. JimJ didn't have a chance to show whether he got a hot hand or he'd succeed in posting smaller guys like Allen and Daniels. JoeJ sucked and showed his weakness, softness. But Q and JimJ were both players capable of attacking the basket the way Allen, Daniels did. They didn't get a chance to even to try.

Against the good teams Spurs, Sonics, Mems, or even Kings, the winning formula against the weak team "Nash and run" is less likely to work so as to win the game with this single weapon/strategy. The talent difference is not that big that they, the better teams, wouldn't be able to adapt to it and find a way to beat it. For us to have a chance this year in the playoffs, we need to uncover additional virtues in this team. For example, with a more defensive minded lineup of Amare/Marion/JJ/JJ/Q alone we might be able to win some games by stopping the opponent's offense and take advantage of the inevitable postup advantages this lineup will give us against ANY team. At least, we must be well prepared for the situations like last night when we just weren't able to OUTSCORE the opponents, (last night, we weren't hitting our jumpers while Sonics were) and have plans to fall back on in those situations.

I think if now McMillan takes over as the Suns headcoach, he'd be able to make the most use of the full potential in this incredible collection of talents and win the championship without "ifs and buts". But with DA, it more depends on our luck, like hoping Sonics would miss some shots like they did in their loss to us etc.
 

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At the halftime, they showed a stats: Suns +15 with Nash on the bench!

It was +15 with Nash on the floor, not with him on the bench.

And late 3rd q, with Nash on the bench, we were great defensively with JimJ replacing him.

But they were inept offensively with Barbosa trying to run the show. At the start of the fourth quarter, Barbosa came out for Richardson, and I thought it was worth seeing how that lineup did for a bit. But then Allen caught fire and D'Antoni panicked for Nash right away.
 

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elindholm said:
At the halftime, they showed a stats: Suns +15 with Nash on the bench!

It was +15 with Nash on the floor, not with him on the bench.

And late 3rd q, with Nash on the bench, we were great defensively with JimJ replacing him.

But they were inept offensively with Barbosa trying to run the show. At the start of the fourth quarter, Barbosa came out for Richardson, and I thought it was worth seeing how that lineup did for a bit. But then Allen caught fire and D'Antoni panicked for Nash right away.


Barbosa is just a complete liability when he is on the court these days, and for the life of me, I can't understand why he is getting minutes in these important games against the best in the west. We have plenty of players that are as competent as him as a ball handler and distributor. I have no problem with him getting minutes, but let's pick good times, when we have leads against weaker teams, not against the best teams in basketball.
 

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Hasn't Bryan Colangelo more or less said, this is the team, it's set?

If I were a coach and wanted to make a strong case that we might need just a smidgen more help, I'd be tempted about now to play - and glaringly expose - whatever is weakest in what I've been given to work with, while there's still time to tinker. But perhaps I give D'A credit for a Machiavellian streak he doesn't possess.
 

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