Sorry Karlos

[Catfish]

Unless I miss my guess, Karlos Dansby has made a huge mistake. IMO he has dumped a man that had taken good care of him, and had prepared the way to a solid, (though not spectacular), future. When you think of it though, Karlos is kind of a solid, (though not spectacular) LB.

I doubt that firing his agent gets him the contract he wanted with the Cards, and may get him none at all with them. If he is waiting on next year to partake of the wealth of the uncapped year, he has made a mistake IMO. MOST teams will be saving what money they can, and I can only see Dallas and Washington as piling on the dough. That means maybe one or two REALLY well payed linebacker IMO, and poor Karlos is not among the top LB's in the league IMO.

I can see the Cards passing on Karlos now, and working on A-Dub's contract.

Karlos, the grass is only greener on the other side of the fence as long as it is being watered ----

 

[az jam]

Unless I miss my guess, Karlos Dansby has made a huge mistake. IMO he has dumped a man that had taken good care of him, and had prepared the way to a solid, (though not spectacular), future. When you think of it though, Karlos is kind of a solid, (though not spectacular) LB.

I doubt that firing his agent gets him the contract he wanted with the Cards, and may get him none at all with them. If he is waiting on next year to partake of the wealth of the uncapped year, he has made a mistake IMO. MOST teams will be saving what money they can, and I can only see Dallas and Washington as piling on the dough. That means maybe one or two REALLY well payed linebacker IMO, and poor Karlos is not among the top LB's in the league IMO.

I can see the Cards passing on Karlos now, and working on A-Dub's contract.

Karlos, the grass is only greener on the other side of the fence as long as it is being watered ----

I wish I was wrong but I totally agree with you. This will be Dansby's last year with the Cards. We just need to get some good young lb to take his place in this year's draft.

 

[Duckjake]

Dansby will be paid over $15 million dollars for two years of work. Enough money for several families to live comfortabley for the rest of their lives. If he never makes another dollar he's done very well. I don't see how that can be a mistake.

 

[Buckybird]

All of the blame isn't on Karlos and his agent. Rod Graves deserves criticism for this situation even getting to this point. Graves has talked a big game for 2 years now about getting Dansby a deal. Not many players in the league are worth what they are paid, but our best defensive player deserves a big payday. Dansby has been the best LB'er the Cards have had since the days of Ken Harvey and Eric Hill and we all know they finished their careers wearing other teams colors. Be careful what you wish for because it's hard to replace something you don't have a proven replacement for!!!

 

[IAWarnerFan]

All of the blame isn't on Karlos and his agent. Rod Graves deserves criticism for this situation even getting to this point. Graves has talked a big game for 2 years now about getting Dansby a deal. Not many players in the league are worth what they are paid, but our best defensive player deserves a big payday. Dansby has been the best LB'er the Cards have had since the days of Ken Harvey and Eric Hill and we all know they finished their careers wearing other teams colors. Be careful what you wish for because it's hard to replace something you don't have a proven replacement for!!!

True, but maybe we can get a quality LB (and draft picks) in a package deal including Boldin as well?

 

[az jam]

All of the blame isn't on Karlos and his agent. Rod Graves deserves criticism for this situation even getting to this point. Graves has talked a big game for 2 years now about getting Dansby a deal. Not many players in the league are worth what they are paid, but our best defensive player deserves a big payday. Dansby has been the best LB'er the Cards have had since the days of Ken Harvey and Eric Hill and we all know they finished their careers wearing other teams colors. Be careful what you wish for because it's hard to replace something you don't have a proven replacement for!!!

Nobody is wishing for Dansby to leave just stating the obvious that this most likely will be his last season here and that the Cards need to prepare as best as they can for that. I'm also not pointing fingers because we don't know the whole story.

 

[Buckybird]

True, but maybe we can get a quality LB (and draft picks) in a package deal including Boldin as well?

I cant see Karlos getting traded because there is no proven replacement in waiting. Relying on a rookie to start would be committing suicide. As far a trading Boldin, do it if we can get an extra mid 1st we could get quality play from Breaston, Doucet and Urban.

 

[SuperSpck]

Dansby will be paid over $15 million dollars for two years of work. Enough money for several families to live comfortabley for the rest of their lives. If he never makes another dollar he's done very well. I don't see how that can be a mistake.

Until he asks for his next major contract, because he's "outplayed" his current one.

 

[Buckybird]

I still say Graves has been a major blunder in this situation. Why is it we can't lock up more than 1 of our "core players" each off season? Are the Bidwills still operating on a cash flow basis? I know we aren't "the same ole cardinals", but it makes you wonder where the problem lies, Graves or Mr. B. Any thoughts?

 

[Shogun]

Dansby is far from solid and 'unspectacular'. He's earned this deal.

But the rate of how the FO handles contracts is unacceptable.

 

[Buckybird]

Dansby is far from solid and 'unspectacular'. He's earned this deal.

But the rate of how the FO handles contracts is unacceptable.

:notworthy Amen brother

 

[Catfish]

Shogun and BuckyBird, sorry to disagree with you, but FO WAS negotiating with Dansby's agent, and according to that agent, they had reached a concensus in principal ---- just apparently was not in line with what Dansby thought his worth to be. Can't fault Graves for negotiating with the appropriate person, or for reaching a common grouwnd with him -------

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Where are The Cardinals in terms of cap space right now? Do we even have enough cap $ to get that type of deal done?

 

[Duckjake]

Until he asks for his next major contract, because he's "outplayed" his current one.

 

[Buckybird]

Shogun and BuckyBird, sorry to disagree with you, but FO WAS negotiating with Dansby's agent, and according to that agent, they had reached a concensus in principal ---- just apparently was not in line with what Dansby thought his worth to be. Can't fault Graves for negotiating with the appropriate person, or for reaching a common grouwnd with him -------

And you know what was offered? Come on Catfish, this deal hasn't been completed in 2 years. If the team wants the guy, pay him!!! To think it's all Karlos being greedy is pure speculation.

 

[Buckybird]

Where are The Cardinals in terms of cap space right now? Do we even have enough cap $ to get that type of deal done?

from what I've seen $1.5 mil. The $$$ sure did go fast.

 

[Shogun]

Shogun and BuckyBird, sorry to disagree with you, but FO WAS negotiating with Dansby's agent, and according to that agent, they had reached a concensus in principal ---- just apparently was not in line with what Dansby thought his worth to be. Can't fault Graves for negotiating with the appropriate person, or for reaching a common grouwnd with him -------

Not disagreeing whether they negotiated or not, but I just find that taking two years to discuss a priority 'core' player as Graves put it is a bit ridiculous.

 

[Catfish]

BuckyBird, sorry again, but year before last, 2007 was the first season that Dansby really played up to expectations, and THAT was his contract year. Can't blame Graves for tagging him and seeing if he really would continue. If Dansby wanted more money, he should have had his agent nix the package he was working on, --- not agree that they were in the ball-park when they were not. How can THAT be Grave's fault?

 

[Shogun]

BuckyBird, sorry again, but year before last, 2007 was the first season that Dansby really played up to expectations, and THAT was his contract year. Can't blame Graves for tagging him and seeing if he really would continue. If Dansby wanted more money, he should have had his agent nix the package he was working on, --- not agree that they were in the ball-park when they were not. How can THAT be Grave's fault?

2007 was the first season he finally turned it on? Really?








Really!?!

 

[Catfish]

I might be wrong about this take, --- hope I am, just my opinion of what happened and why. Anyway, things are not so boring as they were yesterday.

 

[Buckybird]

BuckyBird, sorry again, but year before last, 2007 was the first season that Dansby really played up to expectations, and THAT was his contract year. Can't blame Graves for tagging him and seeing if he really would continue. If Dansby wanted more money, he should have had his agent nix the package he was working on, --- not agree that they were in the ball-park when they were not. How can THAT be Grave's fault?

pretty solid career so far...give him his $$$ If Graves would have signed him earlier it would have been less expensive, the cap goes up every year and players salaries tend to follow that direction also. Dansby has been one of the top 2 defensive players on the team ever since his arrival. Lock him up or let him go.

G GS Total Solo Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FUM Lost
2008 Arizona Cardinals 16 16 119 95 24 4.0 -- 5 2 47 23.5 34 0 1 1
2007 Arizona Cardinals 14 14 97 77 20 3.5 -- 8 3 55 18.3 28 0 -- --
2006 Arizona Cardinals 14 10 80 67 13 8.0 -- 3 -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- --
2005 Arizona Cardinals 15 15 88 69 19 4.0 0 1 3 31 10.3 18T 2 -- --
2004 Arizona Cardinals 15 11 60 43 17 5.0 -- 4 1 2 2.0 2 0 -- --
TOTAL 444 351 93 24.5 0 21 9 135 -- 34 2 1 1

 

[Buckybird]

2007 was the first season he finally turned it on? Really?








Really!?!

thx Shogun

 

[40yearfan]

And you know what was offered? Come on Catfish, this deal hasn't been completed in 2 years. If the team wants the guy, pay him!!! To think it's all Karlos being greedy is pure speculation.

To think it's all the front office for being stingy is also pure speculation. The only thing we know for sure is that Dansby fired his agent. If the scuttlebutt about the Cards and his agent being close to an agreement are correct, one can only summize that Dansby wasn't in agreement with his agent, so he fired him. We don't know if that was because he didn't like the dollar amount of the contract or he believed his agent wasn't working fast enough or any of a number of other reasons. It is all just speculation.

We do know that this FO got us to the SB this year, so I tend to give them a little leeway. Why don't we wait until all the facts are known before we jump to any conclusions?

 

[O]

Karlos thinks he's going to bust the bank when and or if there is an uncapped year next year.
Good luck Karlos.

 

[Buckybird]

Karlos thinks he's going to bust the bank when and or if there is an uncapped year next year.
Good luck Karlos.

If Pace can Karlos will. Didn't you guys say that when Pace was a free agent? Watch!!!