Source: Tyson Chandler to the Suns

[green machine]

Are the Hornets in a salary dump mode? I don't see any other reason they would do this. This trade would effectively put the Suns out of the free agent market next summer, especially if we extend Nash, unless Chandler were to opt out. But then again, I don't really see any free agents wanting to be here anyway.

They do want to shed salary, that's why they tried to dump Chandler for Chris Wilcox's expiring deal earlier.

 

[mojorizen7]

You'd think an authoritative source could spell "Ginobili" right. It seems like we get one of these every few months -- a random guy on RealGM who "has major respect" and "has gotten things right before." It's almost always nonsense.

But in any case, New Orleans would have to include a small additional salary. (Sean Marks, anyone?) The numbers fall just short of adding up.

I knew that if i called you, you'd come.

 

[Black Jesus]

Chris Wilcox was good for Seattle a season or two ago and Wilcox>Big Ben

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Why would the Hornets make that trade an above average player for a washed up player?

 

[the_future23]

Chris Wilcox was good for Seattle a season or two ago and Wilcox>Big Ben

They didn't want Wilcox because he's a good player. They wanted him because he was expiring and they didn't want Chandler's contract.

 

[TBaslim]

An actual living, breathing offensive rebounding stud who can move his feet on PnR defense while standing taller than 7' from the center position for the Suns? And he's only 26?

Maybe Kerr does know what he's doing.

 

[elindholm]

Some of you have to realize, if rumors of Wallace being willing to take a small buyout are correct, he is instant savings. Not the kind of savings that you usually get with an expiring contract, where you still have to pay him for the season. Savings right now. That's why the Suns wanted him, and that's why other teams may want him too. If the rumors are correct, you can throw his $14.5 million salary figure right out the window -- it's meaningful for making trades work out mathematically, but that's it.

 

[green machine]

They didn't want Wilcox because he's a good player. They wanted him because he was expiring and they didn't want Chandler's contract.

 

[Sunburn]

They didn't want Wilcox because he's a good player. They wanted him because he was expiring and they didn't want Chandler's contract.

Do we really want someone the Hornets are so very obviously trying to dump? Why do they view his contract as so horrible? Simply because the team wants to save money or is it something to do with the player? Injuries not taken into account, I would love to have Chandler, but this gives me pause for concern.

 

[cly2tw]

I believe a player can be traded again within 48 hours in bundle with others. So, Ben +Tucker for Chandler/Wright may work.

 

[Joe Mama]

That would be great as long as the Phoenix Suns training staff is positive they can work their magic on him. The reason New Orleans would want to get with him is that they are paying him $12 million per season to be constantly injured. If they can get him healthy it's a great deal, and better than anything the Suns could realistically hope to land in free agency next summer. That said, there's nothing worse than paying a big salary to someone who is severely hobbled or not even playing.

Of course some guy from Real GM message boards probably isn't the best source of information.

Joe

 

[Sunshooter]

it's a good trade.

our physio is great, can overcome this

 

[AsUdUdE]

Why would the Hornets make that trade an above average player for a washed up player?

The reason is pretty simple and two-fold..

One it has been said before, but if Wallace does indeed take a buy ou that is a lot of savings right there.., they will have a payroll of 77 million next year, so the chance to get back down to around the Cap line is motivating..

But even more important for the Hornets, by trading Chandler, next year 2010, they will go from over the cap, to about 9-10 million under the cap.. and considering they have Chris Paul, that could be enticing to lure a big time F.A. to N.O....

It makes sense for both teams... unfortunantly almost TOO much sense, which is why the suns will include the #14 pick, and it will once again turn into a bad trade...

but for the moment there is hope, and that is all you can ask for...

 

[binkar]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_a.../chandler_was_next_if_cavs_couldnt_land_shaq/

Maybe Chandler really could be had for Wallace.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Any updates on this? Really the only hope I see for the team these days.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I hope this does go down so all those who crucified Sarver and Kerr had to eat their crow.

Link?

I would have to be the first to chomp feathers. I do hope I was wrong.

 

[KloD]

I'm not buying this.. if this had any truth, why did they not just make it a 3 team trade? It would have been much easier to make the salaries work.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I'm not buying this.. if this had any truth, why did they not just make it a 3 team trade? It would have been much easier to make the salaries work.

The Shaq trade is not complete is it?

 

[KloD]

The Shaq trade is not complete is it?

I don't think officially.

 

[Covert Rain]

It was reported that the Hornets were not willing to give up Chandler in a Shaq trade. Why the hell would they do it for Wallace? This just doesn't add up. Considering that the Hornets were calling the Suns at the draft deadline about Shaq. They wanted Shaq. They tried to trade away Chandler at the deadline.

Now all of the sudden we don't have Shaq and they will trade Chandler to us? If this deal goes down it will be beyond me how some of these FO guys still have a job next season.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

would be ecstatic to see chandler here if he's healthy. but don't see the suns pulling this one off.

 

[jlove]

I could definitely see this one happen as well as loving the idea.....as long as we keep Amare. The reason i see this happening is that the Cavs were thinking of trading Wallace for Chandler already, but felt Shaq was the better fit and option (according to Cleveland Papers).

The only other thing I could see is maybe sending Wallace to the Clips (since they are going with Griffin and have a glut of big men) for Kaman or Camby. I'd prefer Kaman.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

To those wondering if the Suns can trade Wallace right away, the Bucks just acquired Oberto in the Jefferson trade and flipped him almost immediately to Detroit for Amir Johnson.

 

[Rab]

It was reported that the Hornets were not willing to give up Chandler in a Shaq trade. Why the hell would they do it for Wallace? This just doesn't add up. Considering that the Hornets were calling the Suns at the draft deadline about Shaq. They wanted Shaq. They tried to trade away Chandler at the deadline.

Now all of the sudden we don't have Shaq and they will trade Chandler to us? If this deal goes down it will be beyond me how some of these FO guys still have a job next season.

That was I was thinking, but maybe it was a little harder to trade for Shaq's deal because of the amount. The Hornets would've had to include another 7-8 million in salary just to make it work. Maybe the Suns weren't interested in taking on more long term deals, or the Hornets didn't want to give up that much. I don't know.

With Wallace's deal it might be easier to come close to a 1 for 1 swap. I think the Hornets would have to put another little deal in there.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Some of you have to realize, if rumors of Wallace being willing to take a small buyout are correct, he is instant savings. Not the kind of savings that you usually get with an expiring contract, where you still have to pay him for the season. Savings right now. That's why the Suns wanted him, and that's why other teams may want him too. If the rumors are correct, you can throw his $14.5 million salary figure right out the window -- it's meaningful for making trades work out mathematically, but that's it.

The savings seems to be as follows (numbers rounded):



Pav has $1.5 guaranteed of $5 mil. So by waiving him the Suns save $3.5 million.

Wallace and Pav together make $19 mil and Shaq was scheduled to make $20 mil, so there is another $1 million in savings just in the trade differential.

If Wallace accepts a buyout at $8.5 million (I think that is what is being discussed), it is another $5.5 million in savings.

That is a total of $10 million in savings off the cap and salaries outright (Wallace's buyout counts against the cap this year, the difference between the buyout and his contract amount does not). Double it because the Suns are over the lux tax level: $20 million. Then add another $500,000 that came in the trade.

Total savings to Sarver (if Wallace is not traded for someone else) could be somewhere around $20.5 million.

Plus, another $8.5 million (Wallace's buyout number) and $1.5 million (Pav's number) come off the books next year. Shaq would have come off the books too.

Plus, the buyout for Wallace could be paid out over several years, providing a cash flow break for the Suns. It doesn't change any cap numbers or overall numbers, but could be a cash flow advantage for the Suns.

For a cash strapped owner (and with the banking and real estate industry what it is in Arizona and CA, Sarver has to be in some trouble) this would be very hard to pass up.