Source: Tyson Chandler to the Suns

[Chaplin]

It was reported that the Hornets were not willing to give up Chandler in a Shaq trade. Why the hell would they do it for Wallace? This just doesn't add up. Considering that the Hornets were calling the Suns at the draft deadline about Shaq. They wanted Shaq. They tried to trade away Chandler at the deadline.

Now all of the sudden we don't have Shaq and they will trade Chandler to us? If this deal goes down it will be beyond me how some of these FO guys still have a job next season.

Wallace has a buyout, Shaq does not. Whoever gets Ben Wallace is in it strictly for the immediate cost savings. You wouldn't get that with Shaq.

 

[JCSunsfan]

To those wondering if the Suns can trade Wallace right away, the Bucks just acquired Oberto in the Jefferson trade and flipped him almost immediately to Detroit for Amir Johnson.

You can trade a player again within 48 hours. I would guess if something else is brewing, the Suns will delay finalizing the Shaq trade in order to get all their ducks in a row. If they are trying to get a center I would think they could be looking at Chandler, Camby, Beidrins, or Dalembert.

Chandler does not make a lot of sense based upon the Suns present financial position. He is often injured and has a number of years left on his deal. I would imagine they will only do that kind of trade if they believe they can solve his back problems ala Shaq.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Wallace has a buyout, Shaq does not. Whoever gets Ben Wallace is in it strictly for the immediate cost savings. You wouldn't get that with Shaq.

Right. And Cleveland wanted Shaq over Chandler. So everyone could get what they want in a 3 way, or a two-step trade.

 

[elindholm]

Chandler does not make a lot of sense based upon the Suns present financial position. He is often injured and has a number of years left on his deal.

That number is two. He's up in 2011, same as Richardson and Stoudemire (if Stoudemire takes his option year). Since the Suns won't be able to compete against the big boys in the summer of 2010, they're better off waiting until 2011 anyway. Chandler times out perfectly.

 

[cly2tw]

That number is two. He's up in 2011, same as Richardson and Stoudemire (if Stoudemire takes his option year). Since the Suns won't be able to compete against the big boys in the summer of 2010, they're better off waiting until 2011 anyway. Chandler times out perfectly.

But who is available as FA in 2011?

 

[Gaddabout]

If it's a straight up trade, I think the Suns would have to send an additional $50K to make it work because Chandler falls that much shy of being within 15% of Wallace.

However, it's still more than a $3 million cap room savings for Phoenix.

 

[Chaplin]

If it's a straight up trade, I think the Suns would have to send an additional $50K to make it work because Chandler falls that much shy of being within 15% of Wallace.

However, it's still more than a $3 million cap room savings for Phoenix.

Hence the extra 500k from the Shaq trade. LOL

 

[Diamondback Jay]

You can trade a player again within 48 hours. I would guess if something else is brewing, the Suns will delay finalizing the Shaq trade in order to get all their ducks in a row. If they are trying to get a center I would think they could be looking at Chandler, Camby, Beidrins, or Dalembert.

I think the Shaq to Cleveland deal has just been made official. I'd imagine if the Suns are going to move Wallace, I'm thinking it will be by the end of tonight (i/e before the draft concludes).

Of those centers, Camby is most bang for the buck, but I can't see the Clips trading him. At last note, Dunleavy stated he wants to keep him to serve as both protection in the front court and as a mentor for Griffin. Camby serves both purposes well-- he's a former high draft pick himself, can keep Griffin on the clean (not that I envision Blake as much of a troublemaker, but sometimes even the nicest kids go bad when they get to the big time) and in the front court, he'll take a ton of pressure off Griffin in the rebounding department and defensively.

Otherwise, Chandler contractually works I suppose, although he more or less potentially makes a big dip in to the 2010 class tough. With his injury, I'm not so sure I'd rather just see Phoenix buy out Wallace's contract and save the money. Same goes for Beidrins and Dalembert, who have really rough contracts. Beidrins' runs for another 5 years IIRC, while Sam Eye Am has another two and is more or less contractually the same anchor that Chandler would be for 2010.

 

[devilalum]

Hence the extra 500k from the Shaq trade. LOL

I'd love to know exactly what the Suns do with the cash they get in these trades. Does it just pay expenses or does it go directly into someones bank account?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

This would be a great save, Chandler is a much better fit for the Suns that Shaq ever was.

Could see it happening too, the Hornets' owner is only behind Donald Sterling when it comes to frugality.

 

[elindholm]

But who is available as FA in 2011?

Here's a list I made up a couple of months ago:

Al Horford (RFA)
Paul Pierce
John Salmons
Dirk Nowitzki
Josh Howard
Tayshaun Prince
Yao Ming (if no extension -- he'd have to really want to leave)
everyone on the Pacers except Danny Granger
Zach Randolph
Kobe Bryant
Pau Gasol
Dwyane Wade (see Yao)
Michael Redd
Richard Jefferson
Vince Carter (team option 2011-12)
Tyson Chandler
David West
Kevin Durant (RFA)
Samuel Dalembert
Amar'e Stoudemire (potentially)
Jason Richardson
Spencer Hawes (RFA)
Tony Parker
Chris Bosh (see Yao)
Andrei Kirilenko
Caron Butler

 

[Gaddabout]

Here's a list I made up a couple of months ago:

Al Horford (RFA)
Paul Pierce
John Salmons
Dirk Nowitzki
Josh Howard
Tayshaun Prince
Yao Ming (if no extension -- he'd have to really want to leave)
everyone on the Pacers except Danny Granger
Zach Randolph
Kobe Bryant
Pau Gasol
Dwyane Wade (see Yao)
Michael Redd
Richard Jefferson
Vince Carter (team option 2011-12)
Tyson Chandler
David West
Kevin Durant (RFA)
Samuel Dalembert
Amar'e Stoudemire (potentially)
Jason Richardson
Spencer Hawes (RFA)
Tony Parker
Chris Bosh (see Yao)
Andrei Kirilenko
Caron Butler

Yao Ming's not going anywhere. His broken foot isn't healing and is now considered to be out 'indefinitely.' Maybe end of career.

There's been rumors the Suns could buyout Nash in July for a savings and make him a free agent now. FWIW

 

[elindholm]

Yao Ming's not going anywhere. His broken foot isn't healing and is now considered to be out 'indefinitely.' Maybe end of career.

Right, I didn't edit the list for likelihood.

There's been rumors the Suns could buyout Nash in July for a savings and make him a free agent now. FWIW

It probably depends on how the next few days pan out. If they go into full rebuild mode, he doesn't want to stick around anyway. You'd think he'd have trade value somewhere, though. It would be hard, if not impossible, for him to get a decent contract on the FA market this summer.

 

[Covert Rain]

This would be a great save, Chandler is a much better fit for the Suns that Shaq ever was.

Could see it happening too, the Hornets' owner is only behind Donald Sterling when it comes to frugality.

How so? He is not even close to Shaq on the offensive end. The Suns were still one of the best offenses in the NBA with Shaq. With Shaq we were #4 in the NBA at scoring in the paint and were #2 in the NBA at PPG from the center position. With Chandler the Hornets were the 10th worst in the NBA at scoring in the Paint (PPG) and specifically #27 at the Center position (PPG). Chandler clearly makes us a worse team offensively in the paint and I frankly don't care if Chandler helps us run more.

This is what I like. The Hornets were top 5 in the NBA at keeping teams out of the paint. Their Center position was ranked #2 in the NBA in terms of opposing centers PPG allowed and he only allows 14.6 Points (per 48) from Opposing Centers to Shaq's 16.3. What is not to like about that?

Chandler helps us defensively but this only works IMO if you keep Amare or trade Amare for another player with similar scoring skills at the PF position. Chandler is not going to get you alot of points in the paint. The occasional alley oop doesn't count either. If this happens the spotlight clearly gets very bright on what the team does with Amare.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

How so? He is not even close to Shaq on the offensive end. The Suns were still one of the best offenses in the NBA with Shaq. With Shaq we were #4 in the NBA at scoring in the paint. With Chandler the Hornets were the 10th worst in the NBA at scoring in the Paint (PPG). Chandler clearly makes us a worse team offensively in the paint and I frankly don't care if Chandler helps us run more.

This is what I like. The Hornets were top 5 in the NBA at keeping teams out of the paint. Their Center position was ranked #2 in the NBA in terms of opposing centers PPG allowed and he only allows 14.6 Points (per 48) from Opposing Centers to Shaq's 16.3. What is not to like about that?

Chandler helps us defensively but this only works IMO if you keep Amare or trade Amare for another player with similar scoring skills at the PF position. Chandler is not going to get you alot of points in the paint. The occasional alleyoop doesn't count either. If this happens the spotlight clearly gets very bright on what the team does with Amare.

As you point out, Amare is the reason this trade makes sense for us. Unlike David West who's more of a mid-range guy, Amare is a legitimate paint scorer, and can dominate on the offensive end getting to the basket. While Shaq was a good offensive player for us this year, we didn't really need him. We did need his size to protect the basket, but Chandler provides us with that, and he can also guard the PnR.

Chandler is just a better fit for the team we have, and if Amare can come back strong, we have a relatively young big man core. However, we still ought to trade Nash. Amare's defensive liabilities can be hidden if he's surrounded by good defensive guys. Nash allows far too much guard penetration, which really exposes Amare.

 

[Bufalay]

Chandler helps us defensively but this only works IMO if you keep Amare or trade Amare for another player with similar scoring skills at the PF position.

How about Diaw?

 

[Covert Rain]

Chandler is just a better fit for the team we have, and if Amare can come back strong, we have a relatively young big man core.

I don't get the better fit comment unless your talking about defense. Because if Chandler is turned into a running Center it defeats the purpose of bringing in a guy who can play defense IMO.

However, we still ought to trade Nash. Amare's defensive liabilities can be hidden if he's surrounded by good defensive guys. Nash allows far too much guard penetration, which really exposes Amare.

I agree with you here. It's much easier to hide Amare's defensive weakness then it is to hide Nash's. Nash's guard penetration either exposes our big men to fouls trouble or forces us into bad rations.

How about Diaw?

I can see it now. The Suns call Charlotte for a trade involving Amare and we get Diaw and Raja back.