Sportscenter: Ravens have contacted Cardinals to offer 1st and 3rd

[Timm Rosenbach]

Sportscenter: Ravens have contacted Cards

Presumably knowing that the asking price is a first and a third

If Boldin is traded, he should go to an AFC team.

Under no circumstances should we even consider sending him to an NFC contender.

There have also been reports that the Jets are interested. If we can get the 17th pick from the Jets and keep Boldin away from an NFC rival, I would have trouble turning this down. The thought of adding Knowshon Moreno at 17 and Larry English or Darius Heyword Bay at 31 makes a whole lot of sense

 

[Reddog]

Presumably knowing that the asking price is a first and a third

If Boldin is traded, he should go to an AFC team.

Under no circumstances should we even consider sending him to an NFC contender.

There have also been reports that the Jets are interested. If we can get the 17th pick from the Jets and keep Boldin away from an NFC rival, I would have trouble turning this down. The thought of adding Knowshon Moreno at 17 and Larry English or Darius Heyword Bay at 31 makes a whole lot of sense

As long as that Jets deal included their 3rd round pick #76 I would be all over that. If it was just #17 I don't think it would be enough.

 

[az jam]

Trading with the Ravens makes good sense and I agree with you that getting him out of the NFC would be better. If the Jets only offer their first pick #17, it would not be as good as the Ravens 1st and 3rd. The Ravens picks would be #26 & #88, I would rather have that extra third round.

 

[WildBB]

We will hold out until the draft. Nothing will get done until a target of ours is on the board. Baltimore rather than NFC is a big plus however. This deal seems immenent if we're getting some commitments now.

 

[WildBB]

Trading with the Ravens makes good sense and I agree with you that getting him out of the NFC would be better. If the Jets only offer their first pick #17, it would not be as good as the Ravens 1st and 3rd. The Ravens picks would be #26 & #88, I would rather have that extra third round.

Yeah, Just a first is a no go.

 

[Lorenzo]

1st and 3rd...I'd take it!


hate is a strong word.

 

[Cardiac]

We will hold out until the draft. Nothing will get done until a target of ours is on the board. Baltimore rather than NFC is a big plus however. This deal seems immenent if we're getting some commitments now.

I don't think the deal would have to wait until draft day. Actually it would make more sense to have it done before the draft starts.
IMO the team trading for Q would want to have Q's renogotiated contract signed before giving up all those picks. If they trade for Q on draft day then they have given up picks and put Q in a position of strength in the negotiations.

 

[Lorenzo]

I don't think the deal would have to wait until draft day. Actually it would make more sense to have it done before the draft starts.
IMO the team trading for Q would want to have Q's renogotiated contract signed before giving up all those picks. If they trade for Q on draft day then they have given up picks and put Q in a position of strength in the negotiations.

I agree with that. I thought boldin or some of the other disgruntled/holdout WRs would be traded during the draft last year, but it never happened. there is just so much that goes on during the draft. When you have the opportunity to handle something now and it makes sense....you jump on it. Waiting could make the window of opportunity close....you never know what could happen.

 

[Pariah]

If true, they should pull the trigger.

 

[TheCardFan]

Trading Boldin for anything less than a current starter of equal value (at a position of need) is a mistake.

Boldin for a guy or two who has never played a down in the NFL (too risky).

 

[cgolden]

Trading Boldin for anything less than a current starter of equal value (at a position of need) is a mistake.

Boldin for a guy or two who has never played a down in the NFL (too risky).

Player for player trades are very rare, especially two star players. Give me the picks.

 

[arthurracoon]

i guess it actually might happen now

what a shame

i had hoped boldin wold be a card for life

 

[az jam]

I don't think the deal would have to wait until draft day. Actually it would make more sense to have it done before the draft starts.
IMO the team trading for Q would want to have Q's renogotiated contract signed before giving up all those picks. If they trade for Q on draft day then they have given up picks and put Q in a position of strength in the negotiations.

Your logic makes good sense but since Boldin has two years left on his contract a new deal doesn't have to be in place prior to a trade. However, I do think that any team that gets Boldin will have discussions with Rosenhaus to start the process for a new contract.

 

[Cardiac]

Your logic makes good sense but since Boldin has two years left on his contract a new deal doesn't have to be in place prior to a trade. However, I do think that any team that gets Boldin will have discussions with Rosenhaus to start the process for a new contract.

The reason Q is in the trading block is because he wants a new contract. The only position of strength for Q right now is to make noise that he is unhappy.

Now a team gives up a 1st and 3rd and maybe more and Q's got far more leverage in contract negotiations then he ever had with the Cards.

Teams don't give up quality draft picks to rent a player or create drama in the locker room.

Rosenhaus takes a call from the Ravens and says sure we can work out a fair deal. Do the Ravens for a second take him at his word? I know I wouldn't.

 

[WildBB]

Trading Boldin for anything less than a current starter of equal value (at a position of need) is a mistake.

Boldin for a guy or two who has never played a down in the NFL (too risky).

They would get a starter at RB in the draft. A position of need.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

Don't agree with much posted on this thread so far.

1. I can't understand the fear of trading to an NFC opponent. We might play them 1 game per year. We might battle with them for a playoff wildcard. We might face them in the playoffs. Stress the word might. Are you guys really that afraid that 1 player on another team is going to hurt us that bad. To me, that's paranoia. I worry about making our team better, any way we can. Teams that worry about other teams are losers. Make yourself better, no one else matters. If we get offered a 1 and 2 by the Giants, who here would chicken out and take a 1 and a 3 from an AFC team?

2. Darius Heyward-Bay at 31? The reason we trade Boldin is that we have depth at WR. So we use one of our first rounders to replace him? No thanks.

3. I do agree with Timm that the Jets #17 would be sweet, but not just because they are AFC. That is an ideal spot to pick. Still great talent, at the right price contract-wise. Knowshon, Maualuga, Everett Brown, Pettegrew. Endless possibililties of best available. Also, I would love to get Leon Washington as part of a Jets deal. Doubt we could get a first and Washington, but that deal would be an immediate "yes".

4. I think I would rather have the Jets 17 than the Ravens 25 and 88. Remember that the Cowboys trade with Detroit, Dallas was expected to make the playoffs, thus when the trade was made, those picks were expected to be very low picks in those rounds, so getting a higher first is comparable to a 1 and a 3 - just depends what you want. The Giants, Dolphins both have mid 20s picks also. 25 starts to get into the "iffy area". I'd rather pick 8 spots higher, and get who we really want, especially when we already have the 31 pick just a few spots after the 25.

5. I also agree that, unless someone knock our socks off, the deal could happen with someone on the clock. I don't think a team would have to pre-sign Boldin. Again, he has 2 years left on his deal. He is the one that wants that really wants the new deal.

 

[WildBB]

i guess it actually might happen now

what a shame

i had hoped boldin wold be a card for life

Clevland's helping out a rival. The least we can do is the same. But seriously, we have to address some positions with viable youth. I'm sorry to have to say it , with such a vital cog to this org's success and rise over the years. He's obviously had a huge role in that.

 

[JeffGollin]

1st and 3rd...I'd take it!

I wouldn't. Here's why:

- If we want to take another run at the Super Bowl, "the future is now."

- Which means We'd need to replace a tough experienced Pro Bowl receiver in Boldin - presumably by using the higher of our two #1's - to draft a potentially good or even great receiver who (a) will have to learn our system, how to defeat jams, run routes etc. and (b) represents an unknown quantity.

- We wind up replacing a better receiver with an iffier, less-experienced receiver plus we get a 3rd round pick. (Whoop de doo!)

- And we get to pay the new receiver top 1st round money. If we're going to do that, why not just give Q the money and extend his deal!

- Bottom line - A first and a 3rd isn't enough.

- Some creative options to sweeten the pot: (a) turn the 3rd rounder into a 2nd rounder. (b) swap draft picks within at least one round (so that we're no longer picking 2nd to last). (c) throw in a veteran player we can use.

- Plus one rationalization for doing the deal - Reading between the lines of reports coming out of Georgia (that the coaches there considered Knowshonn Moreno more of a leader and football player than they did merely a RB) he sounds eerily like Anquan when he came out of FSU. At least if we were to lose an inspirational leader like Q, we'd conceivably be replacing him with a similar leader in Moreno.

- But even if everything pointed out above were to work out for us, I'd frankly still rather we hang onto Boldin.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Don't agree with much posted on this thread so far.

1. I can't understand the fear of trading to an NFC opponent. We might play them 1 game per year. We might battle with them for a playoff wildcard. We might face them in the playoffs. Stress the word might. Are you guys really that afraid that 1 player on another team is going to hurt us that bad. To me, that's paranoia. I worry about making our team better, any way we can. Teams that worry about other teams are losers. Make yourself better, no one else matters. If we get offered a 1 and 2 by the Giants, who here would chicken out and take a 1 and a 3 from an AFC team?

2. Darius Heyward-Bay at 31? The reason we trade Boldin is that we have depth at WR. So we use one of our first rounders to replace him? No thanks.

3. I do agree with Timm that the Jets #17 would be sweet, but not just because they are AFC. That is an ideal spot to pick. Still great talent, at the right price contract-wise. Knowshon, Maualuga, Everett Brown, Pettegrew. Endless possibililties of best available. Also, I would love to get Leon Washington as part of a Jets deal. Doubt we could get a first and Washington, but that deal would be an immediate "yes".

4. I think I would rather have the Jets 17 than the Ravens 25 and 88. Remember that the Cowboys trade with Detroit, Dallas was expected to make the playoffs, thus when the trade was made, those picks were expected to be very low picks in those rounds, so getting a higher first is comparable to a 1 and a 3 - just depends what you want. The Giants, Dolphins both have mid 20s picks also. 25 starts to get into the "iffy area". I'd rather pick 8 spots higher, and get who we really want, especially when we already have the 31 pick just a few spots after the 25.

5. I also agree that, unless someone knock our socks off, the deal could happen with someone on the clock. I don't think a team would have to pre-sign Boldin. Again, he has 2 years left on his deal. He is the one that wants that really wants the new deal.

You northerners think straight!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I wouldn't. Here's why:

- If we want to take another run at the Super Bowl, "the future is now."

- Which means We'd need to replace a tough experienced Pro Bowl receiver in Boldin - presumably by using the higher of our two #1's - to draft a potentially good or even great receiver who (a) will have to learn our system, how to defeat jams, run routes etc. and (b) represents an unknown quantity.

- We wind up replacing a better receiver with an iffier, less-experienced receiver plus we get a 3rd round pick. (Whoop de doo!)

- And we get to pay the new receiver top 1st round money. If we're going to do that, why not just give Q the money and extend his deal!
- Bottom line - A first and a 3rd isn't enough.

- Some creative options to consider to sweeten the pot: (a) turn the 3rd rounder into a 2nd rounder. (b) swap draft picks within a round (so that we're no longer picking 2nd to last). (c) throw a veteran player we can use.

- Plus one rationalization for doing the deal - Reading between the lines of reports coming out of Georgia (that the coaches there considered Knowshonn Moreno more of a leader and football player than they did merely a RB) he sounds eerily like Anquan as he came out of FSU. At least if we were to lose a leader like Q, we'd conceivably be replacing him with a similar leader in Moreno.

- But even if everything pointed out above were to work out for us, I'd frankly still rather hang onto Boldin.

We have the receivers already on the roster. Fitzgerald, Breaston, Doucet,(who is going to be a good receiver) Urban is plenty good enough to get us back where we need to go. You get us a outside pass rusher and maybe a center to go with the team that we already have, and we are a more complete team than we were last year.

 

[WildBB]

The reason Q is in the trading block is because he wants a new contract. The only position of strength for Q right now is to make noise that he is unhappy.

Now a team gives up a 1st and 3rd and maybe more and Q's got far more leverage in contract negotiations then he ever had with the Cards.

Teams don't give up quality draft picks to rent a player or create drama in the locker room.

Rosenhaus takes a call from the Ravens and says sure we can work out a fair deal. Do the Ravens for a second take him at his word? I know I wouldn't.

The Cardinals are probably putting out the word that a deal with the Ravens is a go unless someone ups the anty immediately.

In the meantime, they also are giving Rosenhaus free reign to renegotiate his contract with the interested partys before the draft, so on draft day it's all in place or it doesn't get done.

We do need to be assured of getting one of the top two RB's IMO though.

 

[Cardiac]

Don't agree with much posted on this thread so far.

1. I can't understand the fear of trading to an NFC opponent. We might play them 1 game per year. We might battle with them for a playoff wildcard. We might face them in the playoffs. Stress the word might. Are you guys really that afraid that 1 player on another team is going to hurt us that bad. To me, that's paranoia. I worry about making our team better, any way we can. Teams that worry about other teams are losers. Make yourself better, no one else matters. If we get offered a 1 and 2 by the Giants, who here would chicken out and take a 1 and a 3 from an AFC team?

Agree

2. Darius Heyward-Bay at 31? The reason we trade Boldin is that we have depth at WR. So we use one of our first rounders to replace him? No thanks.

Agree

3. I do agree with Timm that the Jets #17 would be sweet, but not just because they are AFC. That is an ideal spot to pick. Still great talent, at the right price contract-wise. Knowshon, Maualuga, Everett Brown, Pettegrew. Endless possibililties of best available. Also, I would love to get Leon Washington as part of a Jets deal. Doubt we could get a first and Washington, but that deal would be an immediate "yes".

#17 and Leon would be awesome. I would even give back a 4th & 5th rd pick

4. I think I would rather have the Jets 17 than the Ravens 25 and 88. Remember that the Cowboys trade with Detroit, Dallas was expected to make the playoffs, thus when the trade was made, those picks were expected to be very low picks in those rounds, so getting a higher first is comparable to a 1 and a 3 - just depends what you want. The Giants, Dolphins both have mid 20s picks also. 25 starts to get into the "iffy area". I'd rather pick 8 spots higher, and get who we really want, especially when we already have the 31 pick just a few spots after the 25.

Give me the Ravens deal. Someone will slip through to 25 that fills a need and or is a great value pick. Plus I want the xtra pick to lessen the chance that we traded Q and got a "bust" in return.

5. I also agree that, unless someone knock our socks off, the deal could happen with someone on the clock. I don't think a team would have to pre-sign Boldin. Again, he has 2 years left on his deal. He is the one that wants that really wants the new deal.

The same two years he has on his contract with us and now we are actualy thinking of trading him. The team that trades for him must know they want to and can afford to give Q a $30 million bonus and a contract that averages $11 million per year.

 

[dogpoo32]

i guess it actually might happen now

what a shame

i had hoped boldin wold be a card for life

100% with you.

 

[dogpoo32]

We have the receivers already on the roster. Fitzgerald, Breaston, Doucet,(who is going to be a good receiver) Urban is plenty good enough to get us back where we need to go. You get us a outside pass rusher and maybe a center to go with the team that we already have, and we are a more complete team than we were last year.

I hope you're right.

 

[clif]

Bye!!!