Sportscenter: Ravens have contacted Cardinals to offer 1st and 3rd

[WildBB]

I wouldn't. Here's why:

- If we want to take another run at the Super Bowl, "the future is now."

- Which means We'd need to replace a tough experienced Pro Bowl receiver in Boldin - presumably by using the higher of our two #1's - to draft a potentially good or even great receiver who (a) will have to learn our system, how to defeat jams, run routes etc. and (b) represents an unknown quantity.

- We wind up replacing a better receiver with an iffier, less-experienced receiver plus we get a 3rd round pick. (Whoop de doo!)

- And we get to pay the new receiver top 1st round money. If we're going to do that, why not just give Q the money and extend his deal!

- Bottom line - A first and a 3rd isn't enough.

- Some creative options to sweeten the pot: (a) turn the 3rd rounder into a 2nd rounder. (b) swap draft picks within at least one round (so that we're no longer picking 2nd to last). (c) throw in a veteran player we can use.

- Plus one rationalization for doing the deal - Reading between the lines of reports coming out of Georgia (that the coaches there considered Knowshonn Moreno more of a leader and football player than they did merely a RB) he sounds eerily like Anquan when he came out of FSU. At least if we were to lose an inspirational leader like Q, we'd conceivably be replacing him with a similar leader in Moreno.

- But even if everything pointed out above were to work out for us, I'd frankly still rather we hang onto Boldin.

It is a go. Here's why. We're not going to get fortunate enough in all liklihood, to host another NFC Championship game at UoP. You just can't expect that.
To make the jump again to the show then our running game needs to be drastically upgraded. That means adding one of the two top prospects AND a top rated interior lineman. This will get that done, IMO.

Plus there is a bevy of recievers in this draft that can bring a real presense to this offense this year and well beyond. If a deal comes down , look for them to add another slot type reciever with size or maybe even a burner with skills.

 

[Cardiac]

The Cardinals are probably putting out the word that a deal with the Ravens is a go unless someone ups the anty immediately.

In the meantime, they also are giving Rosenhaus free reign to renegotiate his contract with the interested partys before the draft, so on draft day it's all in place or it doesn't get done.

We do need to be assured of getting one of the top two RB's IMO though.

If I'm the Ravens I want this deal done before draft day so that I can reset my needs and draft strategy.

I understand we need a RB but I don't think it's a screaming need and has to be a 1st rd pick. BPA needs to be the pick, especially with the one acquired for Q. Trading Q for a bust or even a so so player would be a travesty.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

The #17 pick gets us in the Pettigrew sweepstakes, while the Ravens pick gets us, at best, the #2 or #3 rated RB, or perhaps a better OLB/DE selection.

Pettigrew, I'd suggest, is the player that makes the loss of "Q" somewhat moot.

 

[Evil Ash]

If true, they should pull the trigger.

Not yet. You try to negotiate a few days longer and see if you can squeeze another draft pick this year or next as well as explore the option of seeing a deal that includes Suggs. Then you pull the trigger unless somebody comes in with an even better offer.

My guess is it will happen fairly soon. Boldin is as good as gone at this point

 

[WildBB]

If I'm the Ravens I want this deal done before draft day so that I can reset my needs and draft strategy.

I understand we need a RB but I don't think it's a screaming need and has to be a 1st rd pick. BPA needs to be the pick, especially with the one acquired for Q. Trading Q for a bust or even a so so player would be a travesty.

Your right somewhat. They still have the option of keeping James if Boldin is gone. It will still be addressed IMO. The RB need. And it is a need because they need to be aclimated for next season to our system.

A trade probably keeps Edge a Cardinal. Think of him as part of the deal. Strange.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Trading Boldin for anything less than a current starter of equal value (at a position of need) is a mistake.

Boldin for a guy or two who has never played a down in the NFL (too risky).

Agreed. But don't talk to loudly about it, or they fit you for a straight jacket around here

 

[CaptTurbo]

I would say yes to the deal with the caveat that it isnt finalized till midnight the day of the draft. If an offer that comes in better we have the right to take it. If not he is yours.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

1st, 3rd & Le'Ron McClain and that would get it done for me.

That would benefit both teams. Ravens got a bunch of good RB's we got a bunch of good WR's.

McClain is the arguably the best power back in the NFL right now.

 

[Cardiac]

Your right somewhat. They still have the option of keeping James if Boldin is gone. It will still be addressed IMO. The RB need. And it is a need because they need to be aclimated for next season to our system.

A trade probably keeps Edge a Cardinal. Think of him as part of the deal. Strange.

Just to clarify, if the Cards think Moreno or Wells are the BPA then I'm okay with the pick.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I wouldn't. Here's why:

- If we want to take another run at the Super Bowl, "the future is now."

- Which means We'd need to replace a tough experienced Pro Bowl receiver in Boldin - presumably by using the higher of our two #1's - to draft a potentially good or even great receiver who (a) will have to learn our system, how to defeat jams, run routes etc. and (b) represents an unknown quantity.

- We wind up replacing a better receiver with an iffier, less-experienced receiver plus we get a 3rd round pick. (Whoop de doo!)

- And we get to pay the new receiver top 1st round money. If we're going to do that, why not just give Q the money and extend his deal!

- Bottom line - A first and a 3rd isn't enough.

- Some creative options to sweeten the pot: (a) turn the 3rd rounder into a 2nd rounder. (b) swap draft picks within at least one round (so that we're no longer picking 2nd to last). (c) throw in a veteran player we can use.

- Plus one rationalization for doing the deal - Reading between the lines of reports coming out of Georgia (that the coaches there considered Knowshonn Moreno more of a leader and football player than they did merely a RB) he sounds eerily like Anquan when he came out of FSU. At least if we were to lose an inspirational leader like Q, we'd conceivably be replacing him with a similar leader in Moreno.

- But even if everything pointed out above were to work out for us, I'd frankly still rather we hang onto Boldin.

I agree 100%.

I'd add that trading Boldin doesn't add up with other offseason moves.....like giving Warner the farm, in order to keep the passing game together. Why give him the farm and then take away his second best workhorse.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Your right somewhat. They still have the option of keeping James if Boldin is gone. It will still be addressed IMO. The RB need. And it is a need because they need to be aclimated for next season to our system.

A trade probably keeps Edge a Cardinal. Think of him as part of the deal. Strange.

i don't get how Edge figures into any of this. Why would a trade keep him around. We'll be getting another RB somehwere in the draft. He gone.

 

[Mulli]

i don't get how Edge figures into any of this. Why would a trade keep him around. We'll be getting another RB somehwere in the draft. He gone.

agree with this.

 

[Duckjake]

It is a go. Here's why. We're not going to get fortunate enough in all liklihood, to host another NFC Championship game at UoP. You just can't expect that.
To make the jump again to the show then our running game needs to be drastically upgraded. That means adding one of the two top prospects AND a top rated interior lineman. This will get that done, IMO.

Plus there is a bevy of recievers in this draft that can bring a real presense to this offense this year and well beyond. If a deal comes down , look for them to add another slot type reciever with size or maybe even a burner with skills.

Why not? Philadelphia hosted 3 straight NFC Championship games (after the 2002-04 seasons).

 

[bg7brd]

I agree 100%.

I'd add that trading Boldin doesn't add up with other offseason moves.....like giving Warner the farm, in order to keep the passing game together. Why give him the farm and then take away his second best workhorse.

They could also be trying to figure out Boldin's value. By finding out what other teams are willing to pay him it gives both Boldin and the Cards a starting point for re-negotiations. Just a thought.

 

[WildBB]

i don't get how Edge figures into any of this. Why would a trade keep him around. We'll be getting another RB somehwere in the draft. He gone.

Possibly IF we get Wells or Moreno. It's not a sure thing yet.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

We have the receivers already on the roster. Fitzgerald, Breaston, Doucet,(who is going to be a good receiver) Urban is plenty good enough to get us back where we need to go. You get us a outside pass rusher and maybe a center to go with the team that we already have, and we are a more complete team than we were last year.

Agreed.

But we are talking about a sure thing in Boldin versus who we will pick up in a draft. Which ranges from Karlos Dansby to Buster Davis in what you can get.

But I do agree if you trade Boldin, and by way of that improve your pass rush AND most importantly your running game. Then the move end up to be truely good for the team.

Unfortunately, once Boldin is traded my thoughts about the Cardinals QB situation switched from "thank goodness we re-signed Kurt Warner" to "we over paid for an older QB, who might run our QOF out of town".

I cannot, and that is why I am just a speculative fan, figure out the reasoning, and logic behind the move.

 

[Unsterblich856]

Jets 1st and 3rd is the best situation. My only fear is that Knowshon Moreno might be passed up for Beanie Wells.

 

[Lorenzo]

I wouldn't. Here's why:

- If we want to take another run at the Super Bowl, "the future is now."

- Which means We'd need to replace a tough experienced Pro Bowl receiver in Boldin - presumably by using the higher of our two #1's - to draft a potentially good or even great receiver who (a) will have to learn our system, how to defeat jams, run routes etc. and (b) represents an unknown quantity.

- We wind up replacing a better receiver with an iffier, less-experienced receiver plus we get a 3rd round pick. (Whoop de doo!)

- And we get to pay the new receiver top 1st round money. If we're going to do that, why not just give Q the money and extend his deal!

- Bottom line - A first and a 3rd isn't enough.

- Some creative options to sweeten the pot: (a) turn the 3rd rounder into a 2nd rounder. (b) swap draft picks within at least one round (so that we're no longer picking 2nd to last). (c) throw in a veteran player we can use.

- Plus one rationalization for doing the deal - Reading between the lines of reports coming out of Georgia (that the coaches there considered Knowshonn Moreno more of a leader and football player than they did merely a RB) he sounds eerily like Anquan when he came out of FSU. At least if we were to lose an inspirational leader like Q, we'd conceivably be replacing him with a similar leader in Moreno.

- But even if everything pointed out above were to work out for us, I'd frankly still rather we hang onto Boldin.

why do you want to keep a guy that no longer wants to play for your team? I know boldin plays hard. I get that. but you never know what may happen in the future. He could get injured, he could hold out, he could be a problem in the lockeroom.....and for what him to just walk when his contract is up? then the cards get nothing out of it. Right now you can get something for him. The market does not warrant a team giving up a starter in return for a disgruntled WR. That's the whole problem here is that the rest of the league knows that boldin is trying to force this thing. I highly doubt the cards are going to get anything more for boldin other than one first round pick at the most...supplemented with lower picks. If the cards did not have the 1st or 2nd best WR in football today...I'd say they'd want to keep boldin. But the cards don't need boldin. In fact I don't even think they need to replace boldin. They are fine as they are.

 

[Duckjake]

why do you want to keep a guy that no longer wants to play for your team? I know boldin plays hard. I get that. but you never know what may happen in the future. He could get injured, he could hold out, he could be a problem in the lockeroom.....and for what him to just walk when his contract is up? then the cards get nothing out of it. Right now you can get something for him. The market does not warrant a team giving up a starter in return for a disgruntled WR. That's the whole problem here is that the rest of the league knows that boldin is trying to force this thing. I highly doubt the cards are going to get anything more for boldin other than one first round pick at the most...supplemented with lower picks. If the cards did not have the 1st or 2nd best WR in football today...I'd say they'd want to keep boldin. But the cards don't need boldin. In fact I don't even think they need to replace boldin. They are fine as they are.

Who said Boldin doesn't want to play for the Cardinals? He just wants to get paid more. Just because a player is asking for a new contract or big money doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't want it from his current team.

 

[WildBB]

Why not? Philadelphia hosted 3 straight NFC Championship games (after the 2002-04 seasons).

All that's well and good. I'm saying with the level of competion in the NFC , that we can't expect that to happen again. if it does, wow what a regular season we will have had. But to expect the perfect storm again. Not gonna happen, two years in a row.

We need a solid Running attack for the cold road ahead. Someone with breakaway ability as the game wears on as well. Maybe that's HT this year maybe it's one of the Rooks. It will be addressed.

 

[Lorenzo]

Who said Boldin doesn't want to play for the Cardinals? He just wants to get paid more. Just because a player is asking for a new contract or big money doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't want it from his current team.

he already said he knows the cards can't pay him what he wants. everyone knows this...and he has said more than once that he wants to be traded. If I were a cards fan....having the best WR in the game IMHO on the other side........I'd say trade him.

 

[Duckjake]

he already said he knows the cards can't pay him what he wants. everyone knows this...and he has said more than once that he wants to be traded. If I were a cards fan....having the best WR in the game IMHO on the other side........I'd say trade him.

Big difference between saying a team can't or won't pay him and saying he doesn't want to play for the Cardinals. I haven't seen anywhere that Boldin has stated he wants to be traded because he doesn't want to play for AZ, more along the lines that if you aren't going to pay me then trade me to a team that will.

However, sometimes the negotiations do cause hard feelings that can't be overcome and then a player really does need to go.

Leonard Davis is a prime example.

 

[binkar]

My concern with trading Boldin to the Ravens is that there is a possibility that one of the top three running backs won't be there. If indeed Wells goes to the Saints, the Eagles indeed take Moreno with #21, and the Patriots take Brown as has been mentioned lately, then we are left without getting one of the running backs we want. However, if they are of the opinion that you don't draft a running back in the first round (as a lot of people are now) then that is not really an issue for us. I just have a hard time believing that if we had 2 first rounders that we would definitely be targeting a RB is one of them.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

You northerners think straight!

Thank you, and yes, we do. I bet you are also a hockey fan?

 

[Lorenzo]

Big difference between saying a team can't or won't pay him and saying he doesn't want to play for the Cardinals. I haven't seen anywhere that Boldin has stated he wants to be traded because he doesn't want to play for AZ, more along the lines that if you aren't going to pay me then trade me to a team that will.

However, sometimes the negotiations do cause hard feelings that can't be overcome and then a player really does need to go.

Leonard Davis is a prime example.

didn't he say he wanted to be traded before last season? that was a long time ago. regardless of the verbage...he apparantly wants out and I think it is obvious that there are hard feelings and have been for some time.