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Stanton has regressed in my opinion. He's played really poorly. But let's be honest here for a minute before destroying our backup QB on the forum: it's SB or bust right? If at any point we have to rely on Stanton to win the SB we're toast. If we have to rely on any backup to win the SB we're toast. The backup QB's job is to sub in when the real QB gets hurt for a few games. Backups were never meant to win SB's, they're there to maybe go .500 if the starting QB gets hurt and then comes back.

When Palmer went down with his ACL, I knew, looked at my wife and said, "Our season's over". She troopered on enthusiastically for a few games, but soon she realized--a backup can't make all the throws, if he could, he'd be starting, and when you can't make all the throws, when all you can do is throw streaks or middle-of-the-field throws, the defense collapses to the middle of the field because they don't have to worry about outs and comebacks and curls. And when we're talking playoffs and SB these are elite defenses and they will eat any backup QB alive easily.

What ya'll are asking of Stanton is unreasonable. Can he carry a game or two for us if Palmer needs a couple games to recover? Hell yes, he's done it. In my opinion, Stanton has a very important role in this offense. Those of you who watched the entire season of All or Nothing saw it. Stanton is the guy informing Palmer when he comes to the sidelines of which player is in, what formation they're playing, he knows the playcall, the formations, everything. BA said last year that Stanton called several of Palmer's favorite plays in big games. That is irreplaceable. At one point in the show Stanton told Palmer as he came to the sideline, "Okay, DJ is in," and Palmer said, "Who?" and Stanton said, "David Johnson, tell him to hold on to the ball." There are many other examples. It reminds me of Jordan for some reason, Michael freaking Jordan--Chicago had this guy on their team, I can't for the life of me remember his name, he was a poor player compared to what they had on the floor, but he was always waiting by Jordan's chair and he would always tell Jordan what areas of the court were open, what they were doing to stop him, and encourage his awesomeness.

That is Stanton's role and it's irreplaceable at this point. Stanton isn't going to win us a SB, that's insane, but he can help win one.

I've lived in this town my whole life, 46 years. Usually we love our backup QB's, because our team sucked so bad, we wanted any ray of sunshine. Now we're tearing him down, looking for any edge. That's progress in my eyes. But let's not be fooled, Stanton serves a purpose, he knows the offense better than anyone, he recognizes substitutions better than Palmer and may even know the reads as well. He can't make Palmer-like throws, but that's not his fault, few people in the NFL can make some of the throws Palmer makes, that's a fact.

My concern isn't with Stanton, I understand why he's on this team and what value he brings, to Palmer and our football team as a whole. What bothers me is our #3. Barkley is crap. Let's start there. Given Palmer's age and Stanton's value (I think they're a package deal), we need to have a #3 to groom. And I seriously doubt they can groom a young QB. I have my doubts bigtime. This system isn't rookie QB friendly. Sure it is if you want to chuck it and get hit alot, but it's not QB friendly as a rook coming in as far as understanding the system and making logical throws. My concern is that we won't groom a young QB, my fear is that we'll continue getting aging QB's off the reject pile to try and resurrect them, the way we did with Warner. And Palmer. They tried it with so many QB's in the past, look at all the washed up QB's we've had.

That's my concern. It's an institutional concern, because it's a habit of bringing in aging QB's, and we've struck on 2 now, in decades. Keim and BA and Bidwill need to find a way to groom a damn QB.
 
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Stanton has regressed in my opinion. He's played really poorly. But let's be honest here for a minute before destroying our backup QB on the forum: it's SB or bust right? If at any point we have to rely on Stanton to win the SB we're toast. If we have to rely on any backup to win the SB we're toast. The backup QB's job is to sub in when the real QB gets hurt for a few games. Backups were never meant to win SB's, they're there to maybe go .500 if the starting QB gets hurt and then comes back.

When Palmer went down with his ACL, I knew, looked at my wife and said, "Our season's over". She troopered on enthusiastically for a few games, but soon she realized--a backup can't make all the throws, if he could, he'd be starting, and when you can't make all the throws, when all you can do is throw streaks or middle-of-the-field throws, the defense collapses to the middle of the field because they don't have to worry about outs and comebacks and curls. And when we're talking playoffs and SB these are elite defenses and they will eat any backup QB alive easily.

What ya'll are asking of Stanton is unreasonable. Can he carry a game or two for us if Palmer needs a couple games to recover? Hell yes, he's done it. In my opinion, Stanton has a very important role in this offense. Those of you who watched the entire season of All or Nothing saw it. Stanton is the guy informing Palmer when he comes to the sidelines of which player is in, what formation they're playing, he knows the playcall, the formations, everything. BA said last year that Stanton called several of Palmer's favorite plays in big games. That is irreplaceable. At one point in the show Stanton told Palmer as he came to the sideline, "Okay, DJ is in," and Palmer said, "Who?" and Stanton said, "David Johnson, tell him to hold on to the ball." There are many other examples. It reminds me of Jordan for some reason, Michael freaking Jordan--Chicago had this guy on their team, I can't for the life of me remember his name, he was a poor player compared to what they had on the floor, but he was always waiting by Jordan's chair and he would always tell Jordan what areas of the court were open, what they were doing to stop him, and encourage his awesomeness.

That is Stanton's role and it's irreplaceable at this point. Stanton isn't going to win us a SB, that's insane, but he can help win one.

I've lived in this town my whole life, 46 years. Usually we love our backup QB's, because our team sucked so bad, we wanted any ray of sunshine. Now we're tearing him down, looking for any edge. That's progress in my eyes. But let's not be fooled, Stanton serves a purpose, he knows the offense better than anyone, he recognizes substitutions better than Palmer and may even know the reads as well. He can't make Palmer-like throws, but that's not his fault, few people in the NFL can make some of the throws Palmer makes, that's a fact.

My concern isn't with Stanton, I understand why he's on this team and what value he brings, to Palmer and our football team as a whole. What bothers me is our #3. Barkley is crap. Let's start there. Given Palmer's age and Stanton's value (I think they're a package deal), we need to have a #3 to groom. And I seriously doubt they can groom a young QB. I have my doubts bigtime. This system isn't rookie QB friendly. Sure it is if you want to chuck it and get hit alot, but it's not QB friendly as a rook coming in as far as understanding the system and making logical throws. My concern is that we won't groom a young QB, my fear is that we'll continue getting aging QB's off the reject pile to try and resurrect them, the way we did with Warner. And Palmer. They tried it with so many QB's in the past, look at all the washed up QB's we've had.

That's my concern. It's an institutional concern, because it's a habit of bringing in aging QB's, and we've struck on 2 now, in decades. Keim and BA and Bidwill need to find a way to groom a damn QB.

Very insightful post and I agree with the majority of it. Your Stanton point is 100% on the money.

Finding a legit QB is the hardest thing to do in the NFL and the Cards have now done it twice in recent history. Yes I'd prefer a rookie QB like Luck who is the man etc. but those are few and far between and usually happen in the first 5 picks of the draft.
 

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Ideally, the QB position should be as competitive as every position. Someone should be pushing Carson Palmer. Stanton isn't.
 

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Ideally, the QB position should be as competitive as every position. Someone should be pushing Carson Palmer. Stanton isn't.

I don't agree with that. The search for the position is competitive, but once you have your starter - you stick with them unless the person behind them is really that much better, or the starter isn't all that good. If any position requires patience and has the biggest impact on team play, it's the QB. All the variations of the offense are geared to your starter, even some choices of roster in terms of linemen and running backs - you literally build around your QB if the one you have is "your guy".

For example, if you had Russell Wilson and Tom Brady as your two QB on the roster - there is no 'fair' competition because you have to build your offensive scheme around them. So you bring in young guys to groom that are a bit similar to your starter or you prepare to bite the bullet when your current starter needs to be replaced, ideally the former finds your franchise QB, but that isn't common. And for the latter to work, you just keep picking up new QBs every year, like Green Bay, New England and Dallas has done - hoping to strike gold.
 

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I don't agree with that. The search for the position is competitive, but once you have your starter - you stick with them unless the person behind them is really that much better, or the starter isn't all that good. If any position requires patience and has the biggest impact on team play, it's the QB. All the variations of the offense are geared to your starter, even some choices of roster in terms of linemen and running backs - you literally build around your QB if the one you have is "your guy".

For example, if you had Russell Wilson and Tom Brady as your two QB on the roster - there is no 'fair' competition because you have to build your offensive scheme around them. So you bring in young guys to groom that are a bit similar to your starter or you prepare to bite the bullet when your current starter needs to be replaced, ideally the former finds your franchise QB, but that isn't common. And for the latter to work, you just keep picking up new QBs every year, like Green Bay, New England and Dallas has done - hoping to strike gold.

I didn't mean not to stick with the starter---I meant to keep the starter from getting complacent and when the competition is stronger you have a better chance of winning if the starter goes out.
 

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Palmer is a lot of things, but complacent ain't one of them... imho
 

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Palmer is a lot of things, but complacent ain't one of them... imho

But careless with the football at times he is...it's uncanny with him...so many of his interceptions aren't even close to his target and are right at defenders.

Perhaps a slight pressure of knowing he could be yanked for such careless throws would curtail them some. But, I don't think he's ever been challenged by a backup. So, who knows?
 

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So you bring in young guys to groom that are a bit similar to your starter or you prepare to bite the bullet when your current starter needs to be replaced, ideally the former finds your franchise QB, but that isn't common. And for the latter to work, you just keep picking up new QBs every year, like Green Bay, New England and Dallas has done - hoping to strike gold.
If your starter is as proven as someone like Brady or Rogers, those teams just want a vet b/u on the cheap and someone playing on a rookie deal. They can't afford anything more.

I think the Cardinals wanted to draft one this year but other needs at OL and DB trumped that, but wound up bringing one in anyway (Coker). I think if the opportunity presented itself that Paxton Lynch could have been higher on their draft board than Nkemdeche might have been, possibly. I don't think they are at ease with the QB situation, should Palmer sustain a SEI, by any means.

I don't think this team can afford to wait much longer to take an early Rd. flyer on one. We need some luck there drafting late.
 

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This is what happens when you don't have someone pushing the backup QB for his job.
 

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Stanton was exposed by the film of him a couple years back, nobody had much on him before and now teams can see that he stares down the reciever he is going to throw to and his poor mechanics. Stanton played well in all of 2 moments... a deep pass and drive vs. the eagles, 1 half vs. the niners and that all seemed to be due to an adrenaline rush and riding the momentum. When he had to play a full game our defense or special teams (ny giants game) carried him to wins. Once he was on film he was exposed aka in atlanta and for the little time he was in vs. the rams

there is less than a dozen qbs that can win in this league... unfortunately if anything happens to Palmer we are in trouble as would be any other team in the league. Hell most teams are in trouble with their starter.
 

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Here is a list of all active QBs with over 200 attempts (Stanton has 452), sorted by passer rating. Stanton is #66 of 70. There are enough QBs better than Stanton to fill two teams with starters and backups, and still have a couple left over.

If you set the bar to 300 attempts, he's still #63 of 66. If you list guys who have started 8 games or more (Stanton has started 12), he's #63 of 68. So if you insist on those criteria, he's only the 2nd worst backup in the league, NOT counting all of the promising young guys who haven't had a lot of live action yet.

He is atrocious.

...dbs
 
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