Start Skelton Next Week

[kerouac9]

who?

Guys who are in hiding until Kolb throws 2 TD passes in a game again: Arizona's Finest (who couldn't help himself from comparing Kolb to Aaron Rodgers, and TJ. Both of those guys were unequivocal that Kolb was the answer, for now and the long term.

EDIT: Nashman is an apologist for Kevin Kolb who will provide an exclamation point-riddled diatribe whenever someone mentions that Kolb hasn't played very well, also.

 

[Mulli]

Guys who are in hiding until Kolb throws 2 TD passes in a game again: Arizona's Finest (who couldn't help himself from comparing Kolb to Aaron Rodgers, and TJ. Both of those guys were unequivocal that Kolb was the answer, for now and the long term.

EDIT: Nashman is an apologist for Kevin Kolb who will provide an exclamation point-riddled diatribe whenever someone mentions that Kolb hasn't played very well, also.

 

[Phrazbit]

Since Kolb spends a lot of time running backwards maybe that great toe is not that important. Surely you jest when you mention warrior and Kolb in the same sentence.

Many of our posters seem to have a love affair with Kolb as we did with Jake Plummer. I can understand with Plummer as he was a local hero. I do not understand love for Kolb as he has no ties to Arizona I am familiar with. He has done nothing to indicate he will be a QB of the future or even a backup of the future. I doubt you could get a 5th round pick for Kolb if you traded him today and doubt you could give him away due to his contract.

This... is true. I heard someone speculating maybe if Skelton played well we could ship Kolb off for a 2nd rounder.

Kolb's level of play is so far below his contract that he would have to be paired with picks just to be given away. In reality he will eventually just get waived.

 

[Cheesebeef]

you know what's really terrifying... there was a huge crop of QBs in this year's draft where a majority of people thought we'd take one and didn't and next year's draft class is even better and the prevailing thought is we don't take one there either.

all because of Kevin f'n Kolb. Ugh.

 

[Chopper0080]

Is anything really simple with the Cards? We are short on brain power up top. On this board I suspect that at least 50% of the posters would not have made the Kolb deal at the time. The only thing he had going for him was all the hype that was coming from Andy Reid and Associates. If you looked at Kolb's record over the past 7-8 years there was nothing there to indicate he could be our QBOTF yet we not only traded a badly needed starting DB but were foolish enough to give up a #2 very high draft pick and gave him a contract that some NFL starters would love to have. This could end up as the worst deal in Cardinal history unless Kolb has some sort of metamorphosis as a QB. We have added to our needs for next year including a DB and the ever present QB. We have also added heavily to our payroll which means one less good player we might have signed in FA. If you examine this deal closely from top to bottom I think you will be shocked at its impact on Cardinal football for some years to come. It is not like we just signed a QB who failed. I could live with that as we have done that many times. If we had signed one of the older experienced NFL starting QBs I would guess we would suggest we would be 4/4 and still have DRC rather than Jefferson in the DB position. We might even have drafted a QBOTF with our #2 pick next year or at worst a starting DL.

Someone posted if we had made no deal what so ever we would have a better team today.
Kolb: 1/6 Skelton: 1/0 Who would have guessed that at the start of the season?

Being what has been dubbed a "Kolb apologist" I guess I should specify why I feel the way I feel.

At some point, you have to take a shot on a QB. Kolb, in my opinion, was a safer choice than drafting a QB because he did have good pro film on him. It was limited, but good. I don't think we helped our acquisition however when we decided not to tailor the offense to a more similar scheme like he ran in Philly. I feel that this has lead to the lack of production so far. I didn't mind trading DRC as I felt that he didn't fit our new scheme and was overrated to begin with (looking true). I hated that the Cards included the 2nd round pick as well, but in fairness, if we would have drafted a QB this year, we would have used a 1st or 2nd round pick anyway. To put it frankly, there was no way that the fans or Fitzgerald would have been happy going into this season with Skelton as the starter.

I fully admit that I haven't been enamored with his play so far this year, and I don't feel that he should play until he is healthy. What I don't understand is why posters are clammoring for Skelton to play even if Kolb is healthy? The season is pretty much lost so why wouldn't you give as many snaps as possible to the QB that you invested a player and 2nd round draft pick in acquiring and then gave a multi million dollar contract to? Is 7 games really enough to tell you everything you need to know about a younger QB adjusting to a new system? I get that other young, even rookie, QB's are having more success than Kolb right now, but how can you not want to be a 100% sure about that fact.

Obviously we haven't gotten the immediate return out of Kolb that we had expected to, for whatever reason. But how can 7 games in a lockout shortened offseason really be the appropriate measuring bar to determine Kolb's future as a QB in the NFL? Skelton threw up a stinker against the Rams, and is under contract for next year, so it really can't hurt to have him sit. What will kill a franchise is making a snap decision on a player that you have invested a player, draft pick, and multi million dollar contract into acquiring. Nothing would do more harm than the Cardinals giving up on Kolb only to succeed somewhere else, however unlikely that may seem. You just have to be sure, and 7 games ins't enough for me to say that.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

you know what's really terrifying... there was a huge crop of QBs in this year's draft where a majority of people thought we'd take one and didn't and next year's draft class is even better and the prevailing thought is we don't take one there either.

all because of Kevin f'n Kolb. Ugh.

Hey, Andy Reed was EFFUSIVE in his praise for Kolb!!! EFFUSIVE!!!

 

[Chopper0080]

Guys who are in hiding until Kolb throws 2 TD passes in a game again: Arizona's Finest (who couldn't help himself from comparing Kolb to Aaron Rodgers, and TJ. Both of those guys were unequivocal that Kolb was the answer, for now and the long term.

EDIT: Nashman is an apologist for Kevin Kolb who will provide an exclamation point-riddled diatribe whenever someone mentions that Kolb hasn't played very well, also.

I never hide. Flame away!

 

[Phrazbit]

Hey, Andy Reed was EFFUSIVE in his praise for Kolb!!! EFFUSIVE!!!

And yet he traded him despite having a starter who is a guarantee to miss games and is over 30 years old.

Hmmmmmm...

 

[Phrazbit]

Being what has been dubbed a "Kolb apologist" I guess I should specify why I feel the way I feel.

At some point, you have to take a shot on a QB. Kolb, in my opinion, was a safer choice than drafting a QB because he did have good pro film on him. It was limited, but good. I don't think we helped our acquisition however when we decided not to tailor the offense to a more similar scheme like he ran in Philly. I feel that this has lead to the lack of production so far. I didn't mind trading DRC as I felt that he didn't fit our new scheme and was overrated to begin with (looking true). I hated that the Cards included the 2nd round pick as well, but in fairness, if we would have drafted a QB this year, we would have used a 1st or 2nd round pick anyway. To put it frankly, there was no way that the fans or Fitzgerald would have been happy going into this season with Skelton as the starter.

I fully admit that I haven't been enamored with his play so far this year, and I don't feel that he should play until he is healthy. What I don't understand is why posters are clammoring for Skelton to play even if Kolb is healthy? The season is pretty much lost so why wouldn't you give as many snaps as possible to the QB that you invested a player and 2nd round draft pick in acquiring and then gave a multi million dollar contract to? Is 7 games really enough to tell you everything you need to know about a younger QB adjusting to a new system? I get that other young, even rookie, QB's are having more success than Kolb right now, but how can you not want to be a 100% sure about that fact.

Obviously we haven't gotten the immediate return out of Kolb that we had expected to, for whatever reason. But how can 7 games in a lockout shortened offseason really be the appropriate measuring bar to determine Kolb's future as a QB in the NFL? Skelton threw up a stinker against the Rams, and is under contract for next year, so it really can't hurt to have him sit. What will kill a franchise is making a snap decision on a player that you have invested a player, draft pick, and multi million dollar contract into acquiring. Nothing would do more harm than the Cardinals giving up on Kolb only to succeed somewhere else, however unlikely that may seem. You just have to be sure, and 7 games ins't enough for me to say that.

I understand where you're coming from, but I think the people who really rip on Kolb and the people who are disappointed in him but want to give him more time are going to have a hard time getting on the same page because, I know in my case, my feelings about Kolb BEFORE the trade are that the guy we are seeing now is the guy we were going to get. This was a guy who never should have been traded for and never given a chance to begin with. So why waste more time on a sunk cost?

I agree that DRC is not the real loss in the trade. The 2nd round pick is going to hurt bad, especially if we are in the bottom 5. But I think the greater cost is the years spent wasting time on another hopelessly mis-evaluated quarterback. We already saw last season down the tubes with the awful Anderson signing. Now we are likely going to lose this year and next year hoping Kolb becomes something he isnt. Then after that MAYBE finally draft a guy but then he will take a few years to develop.

That is why I would prefer them to just roll with Skelton. On the slim chance that he is a guy they could build around. Find out if he is, because if he is then you save 2-3 years of searching and development that, in my opinion, Kevin Kolb is going to cost us.

 

[conraddobler]

I don't think any of us on here are dancing with joy that Skelton is starting I know I'm not but it's IMO the best shot we have to not have to start all over.

I wouldn't read much into that though, IMO we're about 90% assured of having to start all over.

 

[CardLogic]

who?

You know; Plummer, that ass-grabber from ASU!

 

[nashman]

Skelton played below average against the worst team we played all season and now people feel like he should be the starter? Geesh, doesn't take this crowd long to turn on a new player. Whatever not even worth getting into over, if Kolb is healthy he is the starter and rightfully so it is way to early to give up on a qb in our god awful offense it's amazing that he wasn't killed already.

 

[Pariah]

Nashman is an apologist for Kevin Kolb who will provide an exclamation point-riddled diatribe whenever someone mentions that Kolb hasn't played very well, also.

waaaaaiiiiiit for iiiiiiit....

Skelton played below average against the worst team we played all season and now people feel like he should be the starter? Geesh, doesn't take this crowd long to turn on a new player. Whatever not even worth getting into over, if Kolb is healthy he is the starter and rightfully so it is way to early to give up on a qb in our god awful offense it's amazing that he wasn't killed already.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Guys who are in hiding until Kolb throws 2 TD passes in a game again: Arizona's Finest (who couldn't help himself from comparing Kolb to Aaron Rodgers, and TJ. Both of those guys were unequivocal that Kolb was the answer, for now and the long term.

EDIT: Nashman is an apologist for Kevin Kolb who will provide an exclamation point-riddled diatribe whenever someone mentions that Kolb hasn't played very well, also.

Certainly not enough Kolb cheerleaders to warrant John H's Plummer comparison. And, of the few we have, not one could even hold a candle to Jake's prom date.

Steve

 

[DoTheDew]

To steal a quote from Cowherd in regards to Tebow, "You don't deserve credit for putting out a fire that you started." Same applys with Skelton last game.

Could say the same about Peterson's penalties all games then.

 

[Mitch]

Skelton played below average against the worst team we played all season and now people feel like he should be the starter? Geesh, doesn't take this crowd long to turn on a new player. Whatever not even worth getting into over, if Kolb is healthy he is the starter and rightfully so it is way to early to give up on a qb in our god awful offense it's amazing that he wasn't killed already.

Since when is a QB rating of 85.7 below average? Certainly not for the Cardinals over the past two years. 85.7 is an oasis.

 

[Mulli]

Since when is a QB rating of 85.7 below average? Certainly not for the Cardinals over the past two years. 85.7 is an oasis.

Answer: When you take sacks for safeties on consecutive plays.

 

[Mitch]

Answer: When you take sacks for safeties on consecutive plays.

Wow---to be backed up inside the 10 yard line twice and only yield 4 points---1 point more than a FG---actually saved the Cardinals in this game. Sure---not what was what was preferred---but in actuality would up working in the Cardinals' favor.

The point is---a costly fumble or interception there---as we saw the previous week in the 2nd half versus Baltimore---would have sealed the loss.

Let me state this a step further. One of the main ways to judge character and talent is to see how a player responds to adversity. The way Skelton responded AFTER the safeties---speaks volumes to his character and talent---he proceeded to do what the Rams were unable to do all day: lead his offense to a TD...all at the time it was needed the MOST.

If you or anyone else cannot respect and appreciate the way Skelton responded to adversity in this game---then, you cannot understand the beauty of athletics in general.

 

[Duckjake]

Wow---to be backed up inside the 10 yard line twice and only yield 4 points---1 point more than a FG---actually saved the Cardinals in this game. Sure---not what was what was preferred---but in actuality would up working in the Cardinals' favor.

The point is---a costly fumble or interception there---as we saw the previous week in the 2nd half versus Baltimore---would have sealed the loss.

Let me state this a step further. One of the main ways to judge character and talent is to see how a player responds to adversity. The way Skelton responded AFTER the safeties---speaks volumes to his character and talent---he proceeded to do what the Rams were unable to do all day: lead his offense to a TD...all at the time it was needed the MOST.

If you or anyone else cannot respect and appreciate the way Skelton responded to adversity in this game---then, you cannot understand the beauty of athletics in general.

In the Dallas game the Cards had gone 3 and out 4 out of 5 possesions yet when Dallas left the door open Skelton takes them down to the winning FG getting up from a sack and makes that clutch throw to Fitz on 4th down.

 

[Mitch]

In the Dallas game the Cards had gone 3 and out 4 out of 5 possesions yet when Dallas left the door open Skelton takes them down to the winning FG getting up from a sack and makes that clutch throw to Fitz on 4th down.

Right time wasn't it?

 

[Stout]

Answer: When you take sacks for safeties on consecutive plays.

Hells yeah, you tell 'em! I certainly wouldn't have taken safeties in those situations!

Signed,

Kevin Kolb

 

[Phrazbit]

Hells yeah, you tell 'em! I certainly wouldn't have taken safeties in those situations!

Signed,

Kevin Kolb

Yeah! At least one of those woulda been a pick or a fumble!

 

[Chopper0080]

Could say the same about Peterson's penalties all games then.

Not really. It is generally considered that the QB runs the game and has the most impact on a win or a loss. CB's just try and do what they can, and the referees decided whether they want to throw the flags that game.

Peterson didn't take two safeties, and actually scored as many touchdowns as the entire offense.

 

[CFLredzoned]

I'm a Skelton fan. But 2/10 on third down was disappointing. I don't know how much of that is on John. What I really like though is the way he steps up in the clutch. While Kolb's third down numbers are similar, in the clutch when it really mattered, he couldn't deliver. On the other hand, John delivered 2 crucial game winning/tying drives the last 2 times he started. Clutch is something you can't teach.

 

[DoTheDew]

Not really. It is generally considered that the QB runs the game and has the most impact on a win or a loss. CB's just try and do what they can, and the referees decided whether they want to throw the flags that game.

Peterson didn't take two safeties, and actually scored as many touchdowns as the entire offense.

Doesn't matter. By your logic Peterson helped produce points for the Rams by driving them down the field with penalties. Therefore he was only cancelling out his mistakes by scoring on the return. In fact, the Rams got two FGs on drives where Peterson committed penalties. One where his penalty cancelled out a 3rd down stop and put them in FG range. Were it not for that you can logically assume that we would have been ahead 3 points and the game may have never gone into overtime.

Also, if you are saying that the QB runs the game and has the most impact on a win or loss, well we won so by that logic Skelton deserves credit too.