Chaplin
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I might be in the minority, but the entire group of posters over at phxsuns.net are convinced without a doubt that Kuturovic will be our starting center on opening day. Do you guys agree?
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3rdside
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I'll wait to see him in the pre season (therefore i haven't voted), but at this point in time I'm inclined to believe he will get the job.
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Chaplin
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And why is that?
You don't have a good solid reason for that assumption. But the reasons for Jake to start are much more applicable.
3rdside
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no i don't have a good solid reason but when did you need a good solid reason in sports?
If had to give one it would be that FJ has stated more than once that he like's little jakes' energy off the bench. Williams is down and trybanski's obviously a project (though he did have another three blocks - this guy could be good!)
Overall, it's probably only slightly worse than even money that Voskhul starts. Like i said, i'd like to see a preseason game to see what Koturovic's packing before I vote.
If had to give one it would be that FJ has stated more than once that he like's little jakes' energy off the bench. Williams is down and trybanski's obviously a project (though he did have another three blocks - this guy could be good!)
Overall, it's probably only slightly worse than even money that Voskhul starts. Like i said, i'd like to see a preseason game to see what Koturovic's packing before I vote.
Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
This is truly hilarious.
The guy hasn't even played, and a bunch of people think he will start for us.
I'll make an evaluation after watching the guy play.
The guy hasn't even played, and a bunch of people think he will start for us.
I'll make an evaluation after watching the guy play.
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Chaplin
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green machine
I rule at posting
I put down yes. Jake will probably come off the bench, I don't think the team believes he's "starter material". They may be wrong, but that's what I think. This new guy seems like he could be the right player for our team.
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Chaplin
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I don't see any solid reasoning why you think Kuturovic is more "starter material" than a guy who's been in the league for 2 years longer. He may be more "experienced" than Jake, but he certainly doesn't have NBA experience.
I think your logic is faulty. It's your opinion, of course, but that last sentence of yours has no indisputable proof. Many people thought Alton Ford seemed like the right player for our team, too.
Alton Ford would have been the Suns saviour if he had just been allowed to play. I can't believe you still can't see that.
This new guy hasn't even played yet but it's possible he will start. But the only reason I say that is because Williams just had ssurgery and Voskhul has a tweaked ankle. If Jake can't start what are they going to do, start Cezary? I guess they could go with Googs which actually seems like a better choice and just put in Kuturovic when he is needed or to give ea few minutes to get acclimated to the NBA game.
BTW, I voted not enough info.
I get the feeling Googs will be the starting C opening night. However I think if reports on the new guy are true then I can see him getting the majority of the starts. He has size and from what I heard he is a hustle player and can hit the 12-15 footer and if he can do that it should open things down low for Amare. Regardless I don't see any of our "centers" getting much more than 20 min a game.
3rdside
Hall of Famer
And he thinks your logic is faulty. How can you say he's wrong when your opinion is based on heresay as well? It's sports man, not a quantifiable science - all of us can only guess as to who will be the starting centre. Really, what indisputable proof do you have that Jake is starter material? Because he's earned it? Yeah, that sure is 'indisputable.'
Errntknght
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Jake should start, no doubt about it. As we all know, FJ 'likes his energy coming off the bench' so he probably won't start. Jakes done enough to earn a serious trial as the starting center. I'm not unhappy to have Koturovic on the team but I wish he wish he'd just become invisible for a month or so while Jake got his audition for the part. I don't have a lot of confidence that FJ would do things that way without Koturovic around but the chances seem somewhat better. Heck, he dorked around with Voskuhl last year when it was clear that settling the issue of whether Jake was a viable starter at center was crucial so why would we expect him to suddenly get smart now?
thegrahamcrackr
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Personally, I think Kuturovic will start the majority of the season (maybe not openning day, since he is joining so late)
IMO his signing was in the works for a while, I know BC said "his hand was forced" but something about it just seems like it was going to happen. It makes the Big Jake trade a lot more understandable, the team obviously had gotton whispers about him and his contract situation from Zarko's agent, yada yada yada.
If I was running the team, and this new guy was capable to play 20 minutes a game, in our offense, and compliment Amare well enough.....I would have him start. One of the largest problems this team had was bench production, and I think that for us to succeed more then last year, we need to have a solid B squad.
I think that with B. Knight, JJ, Zarko and Jake as our bench we could see huge improvement. Having the luxary of having Jake as our "spark" is something we could definitely use.
I am in no way saying Jake doesnt deserve the spot, because I think he should have a shot at it if he wants it. However, older players in general have a harder time coming off the bench since they are not warm when they first enter, so it might be more efficient for Kuturovic to start with Jake coming in to replace him.
IMO his signing was in the works for a while, I know BC said "his hand was forced" but something about it just seems like it was going to happen. It makes the Big Jake trade a lot more understandable, the team obviously had gotton whispers about him and his contract situation from Zarko's agent, yada yada yada.
If I was running the team, and this new guy was capable to play 20 minutes a game, in our offense, and compliment Amare well enough.....I would have him start. One of the largest problems this team had was bench production, and I think that for us to succeed more then last year, we need to have a solid B squad.
I think that with B. Knight, JJ, Zarko and Jake as our bench we could see huge improvement. Having the luxary of having Jake as our "spark" is something we could definitely use.
I am in no way saying Jake doesnt deserve the spot, because I think he should have a shot at it if he wants it. However, older players in general have a harder time coming off the bench since they are not warm when they first enter, so it might be more efficient for Kuturovic to start with Jake coming in to replace him.
slinslin
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Well I am thinking that Koturovic is better than Drobnjak if both play up to their limits.
Wether he can put it all together in the NBA is a different question.
I think Googs will be a very good starter at center as long as he remains healthy.
Wether he can put it all together in the NBA is a different question.
I think Googs will be a very good starter at center as long as he remains healthy.
Isn't it a little bit early for this poll? I mean we haven't even seen/heard this guy play yet? He sounds good, but don't forget it is failed in his previous two attempts to make an NBA roster. With the dearth of centers in the NBA this has to make you wonder how good he really is.
I do agree with the argument that Little Jake will not start because Frank Johnson likes his energy off the bench. Little Jake may get the majority of the minutes, but he probably won't start. He made to serve to start. It may make sense to start him. That doesn't mean Frank Johnson is going to do it.
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I do agree with the argument that Little Jake will not start because Frank Johnson likes his energy off the bench. Little Jake may get the majority of the minutes, but he probably won't start. He made to serve to start. It may make sense to start him. That doesn't mean Frank Johnson is going to do it.
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Chaplin
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If you read the first post in the thread, Joe, you will see that the whole point of the poll is BECAUSE it's so early.
elindholm
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Remember that, historically, the Suns are very fond of having their "starting" center play only a few minutes, then pulling him in favor of either (a) a more competent backup or (b) small ball. So "starting center" to the Suns means something a lot different than it does to most other teams. We aren't talking about the center who will see the most minutes, or the best center, or the crunch-time center (who will be Stoudemire). We're just talking about the one who happens to be on the floor when the game begins.
If I had to guess, I'd say it will Koturovic, who will then play about three minutes in each half before being pulled. It just seems like that's the way the Suns like to do things. They appear to have some very rigid ideas about which players are more effective coming off the bench versus starting.
If I had to guess, I'd say it will Koturovic, who will then play about three minutes in each half before being pulled. It just seems like that's the way the Suns like to do things. They appear to have some very rigid ideas about which players are more effective coming off the bench versus starting.
SirStefan32
Krycek, Alex Krycek
I think Googliota will start on 5. Koturovic CAN contribute, but I don't think he will start.
Voskhul will come off the bench to bring some energy, and Koturovic will get a few minutes every now and then untill he learns the system. Eventually, by the end of the season I would be surprised if Koturovic wasn't our starting C.
Voskhul will come off the bench to bring some energy, and Koturovic will get a few minutes every now and then untill he learns the system. Eventually, by the end of the season I would be surprised if Koturovic wasn't our starting C.
green machine
I rule at posting
The question this thread poses should not be asked, if for anyone who says the guy should start is wrong because he's never played for us (that sentence didn't make sense to me when I wrote it, hopefully it does for you guys).
I think Jake could be a starter. I said I don't think the team does.
When I say this guy could be the right guy for this team, I mean a center who can hit a jumper, pass, and rebound/play solid D. This team does not need an offensive force, and I don't even think we need someone to clog up the middle (not with Marion and Amare back there).
adam
I think that same trick has been used by a lot of center-deficient WC teams in the past--Portland, Seattle, Houston when they started Cato. Memphis will probably start Big Jake over Stromile Swift this year.
I guess the logic is that the other team is going to come out attacking your center in any case, so why waste the energy and fouls of a player your team will need later? Instead, start a center who's difficult for good centers to dominate, and look to counterpunch at the 8:00 or 6:00 mark.
Anyway, I think that the starting center position is going to be filled by either Googs or Koturovic. My question is, if Koturovic isn't starting, when is he going to play? And, if he's not going to get any PT, what is he doing here in the first place?
It's possible that Koturovic could find himself back in Europe if he doesn't win the starting position in training camp.
