Stay Classy Darren Urban

[MadCardDisease]

lol Urban is a member of ASFN eh?

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/member.php?u=5939

Sigh...

In his Blog.

 

[BigRedRage]

oh he actually commented back to people in his blog, gotcha. That is a darren urban ASFN profile there though with no posts

I dont read that as disrespectful, more of saying skkorp was part of the dark side which is ok.

 

[Reddog]

Nowhere in my intial post does is say that. NOWHERE!
"Be careful what you wish for" - Yeah, cause that definately is no implying anything.

I think this is a throwaway line not intended to imply as much as being read into it.

 

[Shane]

Nowhere in my intial post does is say that. NOWHERE!

Hmmm What did you mean by this: "But, I, and other like me wanted Levi Brown REPLACED. I didn't want Levi Brown hurt. I didn't want Levi Brown hurt, and with no one to back up him, or replace him. Nobody wanted that, and to say/imply that is wrong, false, and downright shameless"

 

[Shane]

The simple fact is that there were really no better options this off season. It is certainly debateable. But IMO with what was on the FA market and available when we were slotted to draft?? Levi like him or not is about as good as you could have hoped for.

 

[Shane]

whoa... never knew he wrote that.

what a freaking ass.

No offense to Mitch. but I dont recall seeing that? Does anyone else? Was it really worded that way? Because I could see the outrage on here if that were the case and I certainly dont remember any??? Do you?

 

[Cheesebeef]

It didn't sound that bad to me.



He even posted this here after Mitch claimed he was tasteless:

ah... wow, Mitch misrepresented Urban almost as bad as Urban misrepresentation of fans in his "careful what you wish for" nonsense.

stupid crap there Mitch.

 

[az1965]

Life without Levi
http://blog.azcardinals.com/2012/08/20/life-without-levi/#comment-79613


Enough. You lying, fibbing base of people who are using an injury for a chance to falsely call out fellow fans who disagree with you about something. For shame.

First, let's get this straight. Yes, there are fans that did not want Levi Brown on this team. I am one of them. But, I, and other like me wanted Levi Brown REPLACED. I didn't want Levi Brown hurt. I didn't want Levi Brown hurt, and with no one to back up him, or replace him. Nobody wanted that, and to say/imply that is wrong, false, and downright shameless since it wreaks of hiding behind an injury to try and make a point. Even worse a false point.

Again, we didn' want Levi Brown gone, we wanted him replaced. Remember back in free agency ? Demetrius Bell, Jeff Backus, King Dunlap, Matt Starks, Cordy Glenn, Matt Kalil, Riley Reiff, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc. Those are replacements.

When Levi Brown was signed, we were not happy. When Levi Brown was signed and no other tackles were brought in, we were livid.

Now Levi Brown is hurt. We have no replacement, no back-up, and no depth. Now to throw that on the fase base is disgusting.

We didn't take 8 months too many to resign Calais Campbell. We didn't keep Kevin Kolb at his audacious salary. We didn't draft a WR when we needed offensive line help NOW.

So, take your guilt trip and shove it. Cause I don't feel guilty cause what the situation was, and what it is being made out to be now, are completely different. I have NO IDEA who Urban and the rest are talking about.




PS - Levi Brown has sucked for years, and the Cardinals have done nothing about it. Scores of highly respected media personal have said as much for decades. So, why isn't Urban, and his band of "I told you so's" not attacking, and have not been attacking the media for year ?

PSS - I be sure to come back here to this thread, if on the highly unlikely chance, the Cardinals luck out and get a LT that plays better than Brown. Cause then you know....it is I told you so time again.

Absolutely!!!

Agree 200%!!

I was furious also when I read that blog just now...

Urban has fallen to the lower levels of journalism being a complete organization puppet.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The simple fact is that there were really no better options this off season. It is certainly debateable. But IMO with what was on the FA market and available when we were slotted to draft?? Levi like him or not is about as good as you could have hoped for.

it's really not debatable IMO. Jared Gaither and Eric Winston were both better and we didn't even sniff them for LT... and the fact that we did NOTHING at RT is even more ridiculous that we resigned Brown who had been awful at LT for all but 8 games of his entire career.

and none of that takes into account last off-season when the market was actually flush with OT and we again... did nothing.

 

[Shane]

the market was actually flush with OT

 

[az1965]

Take Shane and I out of it, and people can decide for themselves. Cause in fairness to Shane, I can be a little "explosive" LOL !!!!! And in this case? I am downright pissed. Urban is not the frist that has said this stupidity.

Nothing wrong with your reaction... I completely agree with it.

The blog clearly implies the fans "wished" for this situation so now we will have to deal with it.

Sorry, we never wished for THIS situation. We have been calling out to get a better tackle. Also, if we don't have a decent back up on the team, whose fault is that????

 

[Cheesebeef]

not sure why you're laughing. ALL of these guys were available and we didn't inquire about any of them.

Tyson Clabo (ATL) – Clabo has formed one half of Atlanta’s dominant run-blocking right side. He’s a nasty, physical player and one of the league’s better rights. Though he hopes to stay in Atlanta, remember that Clabo entered the league as an undrafted free agent, so this will be his first truly lucrative deal. If the market shows a much better deal, he could take it.

Doug Free (DAL) – Though the Cowboys have found a nice left tackle in Doug Free, there’s no guarantee that they’ll be able to re-sign him this offseason. The Cowboys are expected to exceed the new salary cap by about $18 million with not enough quick fixes to amend the situation. They’ll make re-signing Free a priority after the debacle in their pass protection last year, but Free could be one of the unheralded prizes of free agency this year.

Jared Gaither (BAL) – Gaither says he’s completely healed from a back injury that sidelined him for the entire 2010 season. Prior to it, he was an ascending left tackle. However, with the trade up in the draft for Jah Reid and other grumblings from the front office, it doesn’t appear likely that the Ravens will return Gaither to solidify their tackle situation. Depending on the deal, Gaither could be another nice pick-up in free agency at a premium position.

Jammal Brown (WAS) – The Redskins traded for Brown, but played him at right tackle with rookie Trent Williams playing the left side. As far as contracts go, there is a big distinction between left and right. Brown will surely test the market hoping he can be paid like a left, but between his injury history and the supply of tackles on the market, he’ll likely be paid like a right.

Matt Light (NE) – Light will be 33 this season and coming off his worst season in several years giving up double digit sacks on the left side. 2nd year right tackle Sebastian Vollmer is coming off an All-Pro season at right tackle and is quite capable of kicking over to left tackle. The Patriots do a terrific job in letting players walk past their prime and this seems like another relationship they will sever this offseason.

Jermon Bushrod (NO) – Bushrod has been inconsistent at left tackle the past two years, but has shown enough to the Saints that they have confidence in his ability to do the job. Charles Brown is still getting healthy and doesn’t appear to be a realistic option for this season and the Saints seem interested in keeping their offensive line intact.

 

[Mitch]

ah... wow, Mitch misrepresented Urban almost as bad as Urban misrepresentation of fans in his "careful what you wish for" nonsense.

stupid crap there Mitch.

Thanks for setting me straight.

I had and still have several issues with Urban's blurb:

1. Admitting that he had only met Skkorp on a couple of occasions and then labeling him as a "glass half-empty" Cardinals' fan---who "wanted to believe"---wtf.

2. The innuendo of saying that Skkorp had "managed to get credentials" is obvious---it smacks of unlike the high and might Urban himself, Skkorp didn't deserve to get them.

It was a thoroughly irresponsible account of Skkorp.

First of all---every die-hard Cardinals' fan had been through hell to that point. We were the laughing stock of the NFL. You could say we all were "half emptiers wanting to believe"---but why in recognizing a man's life would you ever write something like that? Especially when YOU DiDN'T REALLY KNOW THE MAN.

Secondly---if Urban really wanted to do Skkorp justice and was really paying attention maybe, just maybe he could have cast aside the personal remarks in favor of explaining that Skkorp was a veteran who risked his life for his country and due to chronic health ailments and issues he was relegated to a wheelchair for the last years of his life---BUT iT DiDN'T STOP HIM OR HiS SPiRiT.

Those of you who knew Skkorp like i did know that he wasn't a glass half-empty guy---he had a beguiling wit and a great sense of humor---and a benevolence for human kind and all of us who were his buddies here on the board.

Yeah---guess i was spewing "stupid crap"---well go f yourselves all of you who think that.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

I remember when Urban wrote that and I'd only been on the board a few months. I thought the "managed to" get a press pass was kind of a cut. Urban, for being a professional writer, could have worded it a lot better.

I remember wondering if Urban went to Jim's funeral. I don't think he did. If he was reading this board regularly back then, he should have.

 

[az1965]

Well, Graves is another person I would like to see what life would be like without, and THAT situation can happen at anytime as long as Steve Keim is around when it happens.

To be fair though, I like that the Cardinals defend Mr. Levi Brown. They should for the position they put the man in. Levi Brown gives effort, and passion to this team, it is not his fault he is playing where he is playing, IMO.

I would also really really like to see life without one Hall of Famer Russ Grimm... boy, now we really need to be careful in what we wish .

 

[Cheesebeef]

Thanks for setting me straight.

I had and still have several issues with Urban's blurb:

1. Admitting that he had only met Skkorp on a couple of occasions and then labeling him as a "glass half-empty" Cardinals' fan---who "wanted to believe"---wtf.

2. The innuendo of saying that Skkorp had "managed to get credentials" is obvious---it smacks of unlike the high and might Urban himself, Skkorp didn't deserve to get them.

It was a thoroughly irresponsible account of Skkorp.

First of all---ever die-hard Cardinals' fan had been through hell to that point. We were the laughing stock of the NFL. You could say we all were "half emptiers wanting to believe"---but why in recognizing a man's life would you ever wrote something like that? Especially when YOU DDN'T REALLY KNOW THE MAN.

Secondly---if Urban really wanted to do Skkorp justice and was really paying attention maybe, just maybe he could have cast aside the personal remarks in favor of explaining that Skkorp was a veteran who risked his life for his country and due to chronic health ailments and issues he was relegated to a wheelchair for the last years of his life---BUT iT DiDN'T STOP HIM OR HiS SPiRiT.

Those of you who knew Skkorp like i did know that he wasn't a glass half-empty guy---he had a beguiling wit and a great sense of humor---and a benevolence for human kind and all of us who were his buddies here on the board.

Yeah---guess i was spewing "stupid crap"---well go f yourselves all of you who think that.

lol.

 

[az1965]

It didn't sound that bad to me.



He even posted this here after Mitch claimed he was tasteless:

Yeah, doesn't sound that bad to me either... it was nice of him to mention Skorp.

 

[PACardsFan]

The simple fact is that there were really no better options this off season. It is certainly debateable. But IMO with what was on the FA market and available when we were slotted to draft?? Levi like him or not is about as good as you could have hoped for.

Ding Ding Ding!!! I agree wholeheartedly. The Cardinal FO did the right thing in resigning Levi & there wasn't a legit LT available at our slot that would have given us better value than taking Floyd.

 

[az1965]

Yeah---guess i was spewing "stupid crap"---well go f yourselves all of you who think that.

LOL...

 

[Cheesebeef]

Ding Ding Ding!!! I agree wholeheartedly. The Cardinal FO did the right thing in resigning Levi & there wasn't a legit LT available at our slot that would have given us better value than taking Floyd.

did the FO also do the right thing in literally doing nothing at the RT position?

 

[joeshmo]

it's really not debatable IMO. Jared Gaither and Eric Winston were both better and we didn't even sniff them for LT...

Gaither is still a walking back spasm who cant practice or play in preseason. Currently he is out indefinitely, and is now on his 4 doctor to get a fourth opinion. San Diego currently has an UDFA rookie manning the LT spot since training camp started.

Winston has always played in a zone scheme and is still playing in a zone scheme with the Chiefs, not sure how he would translate to what ever scheme Grimm is running, of which I still have no idea what scheme that is, I just know it isn't a zone scheme.

 

[splitsecond]

I feel like this thread is destined to be a 5 star

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Hmmm What did you mean by this: "But, I, and other like me wanted Levi Brown REPLACED. I didn't want Levi Brown hurt. I didn't want Levi Brown hurt, and with no one to back up him, or replace him. Nobody wanted that, and to say/imply that is wrong, false, and downright shameless"

That we didn't want "life without Levi Brown" with no replacement.

Whatever "life without Levi Brown" means.

Fair enough tho.

Urban did not say he thought the fans wanted to see Levi Brown hurt. Better ?

 

[oaken1]

Thanks for setting me straight.

I had and still have several issues with Urban's blurb:

1. Admitting that he had only met Skkorp on a couple of occasions and then labeling him as a "glass half-empty" Cardinals' fan---who "wanted to believe"---wtf.

2. The innuendo of saying that Skkorp had "managed to get credentials" is obvious---it smacks of unlike the high and might Urban himself, Skkorp didn't deserve to get them.

It was a thoroughly irresponsible account of Skkorp.

First of all---every die-hard Cardinals' fan had been through hell to that point. We were the laughing stock of the NFL. You could say we all were "half emptiers wanting to believe"---but why in recognizing a man's life would you ever write something like that? Especially when YOU DiDN'T REALLY KNOW THE MAN.

Secondly---if Urban really wanted to do Skkorp justice and was really paying attention maybe, just maybe he could have cast aside the personal remarks in favor of explaining that Skkorp was a veteran who risked his life for his country and due to chronic health ailments and issues he was relegated to a wheelchair for the last years of his life---BUT iT DiDN'T STOP HIM OR HiS SPiRiT.

Those of you who knew Skkorp like i did know that he wasn't a glass half-empty guy---he had a beguiling wit and a great sense of humor---and a benevolence for human kind and all of us who were his buddies here on the board.

Yeah---guess i was spewing "stupid crap"---well go f yourselves all of you who think that.

I also considered urbans remarks derogatory or backhanded....kinda made ya wonder why he bothered to mention Jim's passing in the first place?
I didnt know Skorp well at all so I do not have the emotional attachment to the comments that you have...but for what it's worth,.....I got your back on this one man.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

The simple fact is that there were really no better options this off season. It is certainly debateable. But IMO with what was on the FA market and available when we were slotted to draft?? Levi like him or not is about as good as you could have hoped for.

Agreed.

What you say is fair, and of course, I say different but at least we are sticking to the truth of the debate.