Stoudamire wants out of Memphis

[fordronken]

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/frontpage/60576.php

Banks and a second rounder for Damon? We could even throw in Pike and the dollars would still work.

 

[Black Jesus]

how about.... Banks, and our ATL first rounder for Warrick, Miller, and Damon

 

[Rab]

The only way I'd be interested in Damon is if he came in a package deal with talented players.

I don't think he'd be that much better than Marcus. He's getting old, and the injury he suffered a couple years ago has really hampered him.

 

[azirish]

Have you looked at Damon's stats?

Damon is a career 40.8% shooter and 33.7% for three. He has not been above his career average from the field since 2000-01. His three point shooting in Memphis has been 34.6% in 2005-06 and 33.7% in 2006-07.

His assist numbers have been middle of the pack at best this decade. Last season he averaged 4.8 apg in 24.2 minutes which was barely better than the shoot first Chucky Atkins at 4.6 apg in 27.5 minutes. Atkins could at least shoot.

He is listed at 5'10" 175 pounds, so I'd be skeptical of claims he is much on defense.

I don't know if Banks is good enough to get rotation minutes, but at least he can defend. I see no way Damon could get minutes on the Suns.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Diaw + ATL'08 for Stoudamire, Warrick, swift

 

[azirish]

Diaw + ATL'08 for Stoudamire, Warrick, swift

Diaw is under a base year contract.

 

[jbeecham]

No thanks on Damon......guy hasn't been good for years. I'd rather have Banks.....and that's saying something!

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

shame on me for not thinking that one through

 

[Dr. Jones]

Iavaroni will not want Banks.

 

[slinslin]

Stoudamire would be perfect for the Suns as a backup PG.

He can really push the tempo and play the fastbreaks and he is very good 3pt shooter.

 

[azirish]

he is very good 3pt shooter.

Not lately.

2005-06 34.6%
2006-07 33.7%

He had some moderately good years between 99-00 and 2002-03; but since then his stats were barely into the "OK" categry. I do not view 36.5% and 36.9% as anything close to being "very good", but his last two years have been "poor".

 

[slinslin]

Stats aren't everything, he ends up taking tough shots often and still 34% is good.

 

[azirish]

Stats aren't everything, he ends up taking tough shots often and still 34% is good.

To me, the magic number for three point shooting is 40%. Above 40% is good, down to about 36% is solid to fair, and below 36% is substandard. Here are last year's regular season three point stats for Suns rotation players:

Nash 45.5% (156 of 343)
Barbosa 43.3% (190 of 438)
Bell 41.3% (205 of 496)
Jones 37.8% (90 of 238)
Diaw 33.3% (15 of 45)
Marion 31.7% (80 of 232)

On the Griz

Atkins 37.9% (116 of 306) 2064 minutes
Stoudamire 33.7% (59 of 175) 1501 minutes

Miller was their best at 205 of 498 for 40.5%

 

[elindholm]

To me, the magic number for three point shooting is 40%.

That's because you're spoiled by the Suns. Above 40% is excellent, and only a handful of players in the league can sustain that over a lot of attempts. Even 36-37% is plenty high to make defenses pay for leaving you open.

I agree that Stoudamire's 34% last season is low, but since his career number is 36%, maybe it was just an aberration.

Of course the Suns could acquire Stoudamire directly using the Thomas TE, but that would require spending money, and we couldn't have that.

 

[Rab]

To me, the magic number for three point shooting is 40%. Above 40% is good, down to about 36% is solid to fair, and below 36% is substandard. Here are last year's regular season three point stats for Suns rotation players:

Nash 45.5% (156 of 343)
Barbosa 43.3% (190 of 438)
Bell 41.3% (205 of 496)
Jones 37.8% (90 of 238)
Diaw 33.3% (15 of 45)
Marion 31.7% (80 of 232)

On the Griz

Atkins 37.9% (116 of 306) 2064 minutes
Stoudamire 33.7% (59 of 175) 1501 minutes

Miller was their best at 205 of 498 for 40.5%

I hate seeing that Marion shot that many 3's.

 

[azirish]

That's because you're spoiled by the Suns. Above 40% is excellent, and only a handful of players in the league can sustain that over a lot of attempts. Even 36-37% is plenty high to make defenses pay for leaving you open.

Amoung "qualified" players, there were 22 players above 40%. Rankings from 23 through 50 at 37.5% and down to 68 for 36%.

On the Suns 2004-05 team, Q shot 35.8% for three and as the season went on, teams stopped guarding him.

 

[PetryJr]

Amoung "qualified" players, there were 22 players above 40%. Rankings from 23 through 50 at 37.5% and down to 68 for 36%.

On the Suns 2004-05 team, Q shot 35.8% for three and as the season went on, teams stopped guarding him.

No, that's not what happened. Most teams couldn't find a way to stop the Suns, so they had to pick their poison. Jim Jackson and Joe Johnson were among the league leaders in 3-point shooting (both shot over 46% in 2004-05), so obviously they would rather let Richardson shoot. But his 35.8% shooting was still enough to make him a viable option in the regular season. Like Eric said, you're spoiled by the Suns.

By the way, 35.8% was exactly the league average from long range both last season and in 2005-06.

 

[azirish]

No, that's not what happened. Most teams couldn't find a way to stop the Suns, so they had to pick their poison. Jim Jackson and Joe Johnson were among the league leaders in 3-point shooting (both shot over 46% in 2004-05), so obviously they would rather let Richardson shoot. But his 35.8% shooting was still enough to make him a viable option in the regular season. Like Eric said, you're spoiled by the Suns.

By the way, 35.8% was exactly the league average from long range both last season and in 2005-06.

The Suns system is heavily dependent on accurate three point shooting. IMHO, this is going to become one of the critical stats when looking at teams. Last season the top four teams were:

Phoenix 39.9% (785 of 1965)
Chicago 38.8% (480 of 1237)
Dallas 38.1% (535 of 1304)
San Antonio 38.1% (595 of 1561)

If Marion had not shot any 3pointers, the Suns would have been 705 of 1693 for 41.6%.

BTW, the Jazz had just a 33.5% three point average, which explains why they drafted Almond.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Marion/Banks/Pike/ATL 08 for Warrick/Miller/Swift/Stoudamire/MEM 08

 

[elindholm]

On the Suns 2004-05 team, Q shot 35.8% for three and as the season went on, teams stopped guarding him.

You really need to get out of the habit of speculating about what happened during actual game play, which you've admitted you don't watch. It's just completely untrue that teams "stopped guarding" Richardson.

 

[azirish]

You really need to get out of the habit of speculating about what happened during actual game play, which you've admitted you don't watch. It's just completely untrue that teams "stopped guarding" Richardson.

Certainly not "totally stopped", but with other shooters being so much more efficient, they could afford to not come out on him.

I'll admit I never much liked Richardson. The fact that he mostly shot threes (over 60% of his attempts were for three) and was something of black hole on the offense really bugged me. He took as many shots per minute as JJ, yet his stats were 38.9% and 35.8% while JJ's were 46.1% and 47.8% for three.

As the season went on, I began to dread it whenever the team would pass him the ball (much like I dread it when Marion gets the ball on the outside). I remember him bricking a great number of open shots which led me to think teams were deliberately leaving him open the way do with Marion.

But I'll admit, I remember him shooting too many closely contested shots as well. I'm not sure whether it bothered me more than he was so poor at hitting open shots or that he shot when he was defensed.

 

[elindholm]

I'll agree that Richardson shot too often when closely guarded. On the other hand, as with House the following season, sometimes he seemed to be the only one willing to shoot when the defense turned up the pressure.

 

[azirish]

I'll agree that Richardson shot too often when closely guarded. On the other hand, as with House the following season, sometimes he seemed to be the only one willing to shoot when the defense turned up the pressure.

I'd rather guys take their man off the dribble if the defender gets that sloce. Richardson did not slash.

BTW, I think this is going to become more of the Suns personality. The addition of Hill will make that more obvious since his style is mostly slashing with some pull up mid range shots. Last season Bell began slashing more and even Jones slashed some. If Banks plays, I think he will slash a lot. With five shooters on the perimeter, it is hard to pack the lane to stop slashing and no need force shots.

Ideally, slashers will be prepared to kick out or dump when the defesne reacts quickly. But getting by the first man is the key and is much easier if they press the shooter.