Summer League Thread

[Mainstreet]

Tatum looks really good. I wouldn't have been mad if we ended up with him.

Tatum plays like a veteran. The Suns couldn't have gone wrong with him.

Ball played well tonight. He had a triple double. Fans like to get on him but he really knows how to run a team. He will only get better.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Fultz injured his ankle. Couldn't put any pressure on it and was helped off the court. Luwawu got knocked out by an inadvertent elbow on the same play.

 

[Russ Smith]

Lonzo looking really good tonight. Maybe not having Ingram iso has opened up the offense more?

3 things.

1) Yes without Ingram they're moving the ball much more. Not saying Ingram is a ball stopper just that the offense without him is much less ISO as you said, and the ball moves which plays into how Lonzo plays.

2) They changed the lineup far less VanderBlue and more that Nwanda (sp) guy and more Kuzma(no Ingram) meant lots of guys out and running and Lonzo got them the ball repeatedly. He officially had 4 assists in the first quarter, my count he had 6 and they missed 2 more easy looks. They blew out to a big lead, then totally went flat and never got the momentum back.

3) Like so many summer league games with all the big names the guy who changed the game was Semi Ojeleye from SMU who hit like 5 threes as a stretch 4, the Lakers could not guard him. They eventually put Lonzo on Jaylen Brown and put the 3 on Ojeleye.

 

[Russ Smith]

Fultz injured his ankle. Couldn't put any pressure on it and was helped off the court. Luwawu got knocked out by an inadvertent elbow on the same play.

The replay looked pretty bad too I'm betting it's a high ankle sprain the way the foot rolled.

 

[Russ Smith]

Tatum plays like a veteran. The Suns couldn't have gone wrong with him.

Ball played well tonight. He had a triple double. Fans like to get on him but he really knows how to run a team. He will only get better.

He is really good on offense, that said I completely agree with PJ he has to make quicker decisions he's dribbling too much, it works in Summer League against Josh Hart or Kyle Kuzma, in regular season games if you hold the ball that long the double will be there and it will with good experienced players that you can't just shoot over or bump aside. He's promising but his ISO game is going to be interesting in real games if he can get those shots off against good NBA defenders because at Duke if people recall there was lots of criticism he was a ball stopper, a bit selfish, and tended to hold the ball and it led to some turnover issues at times.

I see that he's more NBA ready than Jackson because he's a more polished scorer, but I still think Jackson will be the better pro

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Markelle Fultz is having a very bad summer league imho.

The knock on him coming into the offseason is that he doesn't help his team win. His +/- in the first two games was very poor, with the 76ers losing both games. Then, they win the first game he sits out.

Yesterday, he had a -16 in 15 minutes, putting up 12 shots and 8 points before getting hurt....

His replacement comes in and puts up a +23 in a 76ers win, getting 8 points on 6 shots.

 

[Folster]

Markelle Fultz is having a very bad summer league imho.

The knock on him coming into the offseason is that he doesn't help his team win. His +/- in the first two games was very poor, with the 76ers losing both games. Then, they win the first game he sits out.

Yesterday, he had a -16 in 15 minutes, putting up 12 shots and 8 points before getting hurt....

His replacement comes in and puts up a +23 in a 76ers win, getting 8 points on 6 shots.

It's super early but it seems the sixers would have been better off staying at #3 and drafting Fox.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Markelle Fultz is having a very bad summer league imho.

The knock on him coming into the offseason is that he doesn't help his team win. His +/- in the first two games was very poor, with the 76ers losing both games. Then, they win the first game he sits out.

Yesterday, he had a -16 in 15 minutes, putting up 12 shots and 8 points before getting hurt....

His replacement comes in and puts up a +23 in a 76ers win, getting 8 points on 6 shots.

This is a mystery to me. Why does this happen? He looks good, but his team does not play well.

 

[Mainstreet]

He is really good on offense, that said I completely agree with PJ he has to make quicker decisions he's dribbling too much, it works in Summer League against Josh Hart or Kyle Kuzma, in regular season games if you hold the ball that long the double will be there and it will with good experienced players that you can't just shoot over or bump aside. He's promising but his ISO game is going to be interesting in real games if he can get those shots off against good NBA defenders because at Duke if people recall there was lots of criticism he was a ball stopper, a bit selfish, and tended to hold the ball and it led to some turnover issues at times.

I see that he's more NBA ready than Jackson because he's a more polished scorer, but I still think Jackson will be the better pro

I'm hoping you are right, that Jackson will be better than Tatum as a pro. I've got this feeling Fox may be the best player of the top 5 picks.

 

[Russ Smith]

It's super early but it seems the sixers would have been better off staying at #3 and drafting Fox.

last night they said that Ainge told them they would have still taken Tatum if they picked first. No idea if true but apparently they are claiming they were locked in on him.

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm hoping you are right, that Jackson will be better than Tatum as a pro. I've got this feeling Fox may be the best player of the top 5 picks.

I really like Fox but you have to take into consideration matchups. Fox was guarded much of that first half by Derrick Jones who's not even remotely a PG and not a good defender. Great leaper, great dunker, not good laterally. I know the Suns brass wants him to be Stacy Augmon and maybe someday he will be, but he's not right now. Eventually the Suns took him off Fox and the game changed.

He's going to look very good when he has such a massive quickness advantage but he can look very average when he doesn't. People forget after that 39 point game against UCLA, he was not good at all in their next game. I think his ceiling is totally on his outside shot, if he gets that going he can be damn near unguardable

 

[overseascardfan]

This years lotto class has had some impressive debuts in this year's SL. I know these games don't count and the competition pales in comparison to the regular season but no one in the Top 7 looks like a bust and Dennis Smith Jr, Dwayne Bacon & Bam Adebayo taken in the back part of the lottery look legit.

 

[devilalum]

I'm hoping you are right, that Jackson will be better than Tatum as a pro. I've got this feeling Fox may be the best player of the top 5 picks.

No use talking about Tatum. He was not available to the Suns.

 

[Ronin]

Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN

Sixers rookie and No. 1 pick Markelle Fultz is done for rest of summer league with sprained ankle, team announces.

 

[Mainstreet]

Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN

Sixers rookie and No. 1 pick Markelle Fultz is done for rest of summer league with sprained ankle, team announces.

It's a strangely familiar story with the 76ers.

 

[Mainstreet]

No use talking about Tatum. He was not available to the Suns.

This is true, however, Fox was available when the Suns picked taking absolutely nothing away from Jackson as a player.

Because I liked Fox so much I am rooting for Jackson to succeed even more.

 

[Ronin]

It's a strangely familiar story with the 76ers.

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[Mainstreet]

I really like Fox but you have to take into consideration matchups. Fox was guarded much of that first half by Derrick Jones who's not even remotely a PG and not a good defender. Great leaper, great dunker, not good laterally. I know the Suns brass wants him to be Stacy Augmon and maybe someday he will be, but he's not right now. Eventually the Suns took him off Fox and the game changed.

He's going to look very good when he has such a massive quickness advantage but he can look very average when he doesn't. People forget after that 39 point game against UCLA, he was not good at all in their next game. I think his ceiling is totally on his outside shot, if he gets that going he can be damn near unguardable

I've watched Fox for a number of games from college to summer league so I'm not grading him based upon the Jones match-up. It's his talent and skill level that amazes me. Since he has a soft mid-range shot, I think the 3 point shot will come with time. He can get to the basket almost at will. Somehow I wish the Suns could have drafted Jackson and Fox.

 

[Ronin]

Chris Mannix @ChrisMannixYS

Sixers say @MarkelleF's x-rays were negative, diagnosed with a lateral ankle sprain. Fultz will miss the rest of summer league.

 

[Errntknght]

I'm thankful the Sixers took Fultz, if he'd have fallen to us I don't know if McD could have resisted taking him - Fox, Lonzo, Tatum could well have been the first three picks.

 

[GatorAZ]

Markelle Fultz is having a very bad summer league imho.

The knock on him coming into the offseason is that he doesn't help his team win. His +/- in the first two games was very poor, with the 76ers losing both games. Then, they win the first game he sits out.

Yesterday, he had a -16 in 15 minutes, putting up 12 shots and 8 points before getting hurt....

His replacement comes in and puts up a +23 in a 76ers win, getting 8 points on 6 shots.

Yep. A very Steph Curry-like SL performance so far.

 

[devilalum]

This is true, however, Fox was available when the Suns picked taking absolutely nothing away from Jackson as a player.

Because I liked Fox so much I am rooting for Jackson to succeed even more.

Yes, we are all allowed to second guess Fox without defying logic.


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[CardsSunsDbacks]

I really like Fox but you have to take into consideration matchups. Fox was guarded much of that first half by Derrick Jones who's not even remotely a PG and not a good defender. Great leaper, great dunker, not good laterally. I know the Suns brass wants him to be Stacy Augmon and maybe someday he will be, but he's not right now. Eventually the Suns took him off Fox and the game changed.

He's going to look very good when he has such a massive quickness advantage but he can look very average when he doesn't. People forget after that 39 point game against UCLA, he was not good at all in their next game. I think his ceiling is totally on his outside shot, if he gets that going he can be damn near unguardable

They switched Jackson onto him in the 4th and he did nothing.

 

[Russ Smith]

It's a strangely familiar story with the 76ers.

The good news is it's not a high ankle sprain. 2 weeks and a lateral sprain is GREAT news for Fultz.

 

[Russ Smith]

I've watched Fox for a number of games from college to summer league so I'm not grading him based upon the Jones match-up. It's his talent and skill level that amazes me. Since he has a soft mid-range shot, I think the 3 point shot will come with time. He can get to the basket almost at will. Somehow I wish the Suns could have drafted Jackson and Fox.

My thing with Fox's outside shot, and it goes to Lonzo's first 2 games too, is his misses on long shots. Good shooters miss short or long not right or left, Fox routinely misses left or right, even in college with a short 3 many of his misses were like that. Lonzo in the 2 SL games was often missing right or left which if it persists is a concern, at UCLA that wasn't the case most of his misses were long or short, he was generally on line.

I do really like Fox and his mechanics on his shot look fine, I just think he has his hand on the ball too much it doesn't bother him on the floater, but on longer shots he has too much palm on it and his off hand the guide hand is too involved in the shot.

He has a chance to be a terrific defender and his speed in transition is terrific.