the suns summer league team is trying to run the offense like the "real" suns. but its impossible to replicate with out nash and some other key players. so the summer league team seems a bit lost and out of sink at times. where as other teams and players are accustomized to a common style of basketball, ie slow down pound it in and play some tight D, which is why other teams are taking advantage of the summer-suns.
Suns 2010 Summer League games thread
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It's a myth,all of that stuff about style of play,defense vs jump shooting etc...Just ask many of the ASFN Suns homers err...posters.
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Also the Suns not having much talent on the floor in summer league does not help. Can't run much of anything without talent.
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Yeah, we really are at a disadvantage here. Unfortunately, that's the cost of giving away our draft picks.
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The Suns summer league team just lacks any talent..
We have Clark and Lawal anyone else doesn't even have 2nd round talent. Than you play against other teams like Houston (Buddinger, Hill, Patterson, Taylor, Johnson) and Toronto (
(DeRozan, Davis, Weems, Dorsey, Alabi, Brown, Dupree, Samb).
Our summer league team is just pathetic.
Even the Lakers team is good. Their 2nd round picks Ebans and Character are both putting up numbers.
We have Clark and Lawal anyone else doesn't even have 2nd round talent. Than you play against other teams like Houston (Buddinger, Hill, Patterson, Taylor, Johnson) and Toronto (
(DeRozan, Davis, Weems, Dorsey, Alabi, Brown, Dupree, Samb).
Our summer league team is just pathetic.
Even the Lakers team is good. Their 2nd round picks Ebans and Character are both putting up numbers.
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Thanks for trying tobiazz, but the $15 summer broadband is what I have
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Supposedly you can watch the games for free at http://atdhe.net/watchtv.html or http://www.channelsurfing.net/ but I have NBATV so I just watch it there.
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Watching the Summer League team vs. The D-League Select on DVR from early this morning. Just some random thoughts.
Janning: An NBA player. Reminds me a lot of Dragic, but has a quicker release and a little bit better shooter. Moves well without the ball. Can dunk, almost had an alley-oop from Clark. Seems to be an average defender. Doesn't make a whole lot of bad decisions. I'm not sure we have room for him, but wouldn't be upset if we took him over Reynolds for camp. Actually, I like him a lot, but like I said we already have a 6' 4'' active guard off the bench and now with Chills coming...
Reynolds: Makes a lot of crafty, veteran type plays which is odd because he's a rookie. Also makes some pretty bad decisions with the ball. His handles are also only average for a PG. His pocket was picked multiple times. Also dribbled himself into trouble quite a few times. Was called for palming once.
Clark: Looked like an actual NBA player today. A little more confident, hitting his shots, putting the ball on the floor and taking it to the bucket. He really reminds me of Odom. I'm not sure what he needs other than time. Like others have said it just looks like the fire isn't there. I wouldn't be upset if he were included in a trade for a big man, but I would be concerned that in a year or two he would come into his own. Of course we're paying him lottery money to do nothing atm.
Lawal: Fouled out in Summer League. I think Lopez did that a couple times so I'm not concerned. Fights hard for position. Needs to work on his FT shooting badly. Right now I think he can make the roster, but he is about as raw as they get.
No one else worth mentioning for our team really.
Janning: An NBA player. Reminds me a lot of Dragic, but has a quicker release and a little bit better shooter. Moves well without the ball. Can dunk, almost had an alley-oop from Clark. Seems to be an average defender. Doesn't make a whole lot of bad decisions. I'm not sure we have room for him, but wouldn't be upset if we took him over Reynolds for camp. Actually, I like him a lot, but like I said we already have a 6' 4'' active guard off the bench and now with Chills coming...
Reynolds: Makes a lot of crafty, veteran type plays which is odd because he's a rookie. Also makes some pretty bad decisions with the ball. His handles are also only average for a PG. His pocket was picked multiple times. Also dribbled himself into trouble quite a few times. Was called for palming once.
Clark: Looked like an actual NBA player today. A little more confident, hitting his shots, putting the ball on the floor and taking it to the bucket. He really reminds me of Odom. I'm not sure what he needs other than time. Like others have said it just looks like the fire isn't there. I wouldn't be upset if he were included in a trade for a big man, but I would be concerned that in a year or two he would come into his own. Of course we're paying him lottery money to do nothing atm.
Lawal: Fouled out in Summer League. I think Lopez did that a couple times so I'm not concerned. Fights hard for position. Needs to work on his FT shooting badly. Right now I think he can make the roster, but he is about as raw as they get.
No one else worth mentioning for our team really.
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I'm liking Janning as well. He seems so composed and consistent. I think he will end up on an NBA roster sooner than later. I haven't seen Reynolds play but I like him as well. I hope the Suns keep at least one of the two.
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Listening to the interview with Gentry during the game, they like Lawal a lot. Also seemed that they will give Reynolds a chance. Kind of brushed of Janning, which was dissappointing. Kid could be a Hornacek at that size and skill. Needs experience.
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Also, it seems like Clark has the first part of the pick and roll down, but then he doesn't roll. Several times he ran it with Reynolds, and Clark wouldn't roll into the WIDE open space to the rim. Kind of frustrating. He seems to be a little low on instincts there.
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Reynolds looked bad on defense - whoever he was guarding breezed right by him. Hopefully it was due to his sore Achilles inhibiting his sideways movement. Other than that he went under a screen he could easily have gone over - giving up a 3 - and made a dumb reach-in foul, yanking the guys arm so it was obvious. Still he did show some court awareness on D.
On the offensive end things were much better. He pushed the ball well and had good court vision in the open floor. Not such good vision in the half court but thats not rare for rookie PGs and many improve a good bit. He showed his craftiness scoring & getting to the FT line - and he sure wasn't shy shooting the ball. (The announcers were absolutely raving about him the whole time but I think that had to do with him being the first 1st-string All-American that went undrafted in 40+ years.)
Earl Clark finally looked like a real basketball player - most of the game he reined in his long jumpers though he couldn't resist a couple of times. He moves very well with the ball - huge, graceful strides - but he has to learn a bit more self-control there as well. The thing that surprised me was that he saw open teammates and passed the ball well on the move. Two of his four assists were nice inside passes to Lawal.
Gentry told Lawal not to worry about fouls - and did he ever listen to his coach. However, he was not focussed and looked like crap most of the game - he was slow reacting on D and had to foul more than being hyper aggressive. He also got called for two moving picks and earned the calls. The good thing is that he was alert to setting picks at the right time and place for the most part.
He came on strong scoring wise toward the end of the game - for most of it he had more fouls than points with something like 7 vs 2 at the half.
On the offensive end things were much better. He pushed the ball well and had good court vision in the open floor. Not such good vision in the half court but thats not rare for rookie PGs and many improve a good bit. He showed his craftiness scoring & getting to the FT line - and he sure wasn't shy shooting the ball. (The announcers were absolutely raving about him the whole time but I think that had to do with him being the first 1st-string All-American that went undrafted in 40+ years.)
Earl Clark finally looked like a real basketball player - most of the game he reined in his long jumpers though he couldn't resist a couple of times. He moves very well with the ball - huge, graceful strides - but he has to learn a bit more self-control there as well. The thing that surprised me was that he saw open teammates and passed the ball well on the move. Two of his four assists were nice inside passes to Lawal.
Gentry told Lawal not to worry about fouls - and did he ever listen to his coach. However, he was not focussed and looked like crap most of the game - he was slow reacting on D and had to foul more than being hyper aggressive. He also got called for two moving picks and earned the calls. The good thing is that he was alert to setting picks at the right time and place for the most part.
He came on strong scoring wise toward the end of the game - for most of it he had more fouls than points with something like 7 vs 2 at the half.
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I just watched the most recent Suns vs. D-league select game. I made a few mental notes that I wanted to share with those who didn't/couldn't watch it.
Earl Clark: He came out and hit a couple jumpers from the elbow, reminiscent of Stoudemire. That got his confidence up early enabling to convert on a few drives and create a couple nice plays for teammates. He definitely has some playmaker tendencies as he made a couple nice passes to the open cutter from the high post as well as a few dishes to the open man, usually Lawal for the open dunk after penetrating and collapsing the defense.
Gani Lawal: He had a double double, but he also had 10 fouls and 6 or 7 turnovers. He benefited greatly from a number of spoon fed dunks, that he makes sure he puts through the hoop. My favorite play was when a D-league big man tried to establish a low post position. Lawal muscled him out of the key. When the D-leaguer finally got the ball delivered to him, he threw his shoulder into Lawal trying knock Lawal off the block to create space. He hit Lawal "The Wall" square in the chest and bounced off shooting an awkward fade-away that caromed off the backboard. His ability to hold his ground in the post reminded me of Kurt Thomas. He also had another nice defensive play early when he made a steal off a pick and roll play that had me impressed as well. He's definitely raw, but has the tools and heart to be a Haslem/KT player IMO. He also runs the floor well.
Scottie Reynolds: He's listed as 6'2", but he looked to be more around 6'0" to me. He's definitely a candidate to be our third point guard. The difference when he ran point compared to Dowdell was night and day. He knows what the coaches are looking for as he was always looking to push the ball and had a knack to pull off the long,low bounce pass through traffic to hit the lead man on the fastbreak. He's very crafty with the pump fakes a la Sam Cassel and positioning his body to force offensive fouls like Derek Fisher. You could tell his legs weren't under him (possibly the achilles) as he left a few of his shots short, although a couple still managed to creep in on the bounce. I'm not sure as to why he wasn't drafted. His big knock is lack of athleticism, but it didn't stand out as a deficiency to me. What do I know?
Matt Janning: The announcer, Steve Smith was very complimentary of Janning the whole game. I take back my earlier statements that he was not NBA talent. He clearly has some skill, but you couldn't tell it by looking at him. Despite his boyish appearance, he's not afraid to mix it up or take it to the hole. He's got a nice mid-rage jumper, but doesn't quite have consistent three-point range yet. He's an exception to the stereotypical white player in that he has good athleticism and nice hops. He definitely has some point guard skills, but seems better suited as a shooting guard. There's a place for him in the NBA, but I doubt with the Suns; he's to similar to Dragic. Nice player though
Everyone else was unimpressive and Dowdell just doesn't have it. The offense bogs down when he is running the point.
Earl Clark: He came out and hit a couple jumpers from the elbow, reminiscent of Stoudemire. That got his confidence up early enabling to convert on a few drives and create a couple nice plays for teammates. He definitely has some playmaker tendencies as he made a couple nice passes to the open cutter from the high post as well as a few dishes to the open man, usually Lawal for the open dunk after penetrating and collapsing the defense.
Gani Lawal: He had a double double, but he also had 10 fouls and 6 or 7 turnovers. He benefited greatly from a number of spoon fed dunks, that he makes sure he puts through the hoop. My favorite play was when a D-league big man tried to establish a low post position. Lawal muscled him out of the key. When the D-leaguer finally got the ball delivered to him, he threw his shoulder into Lawal trying knock Lawal off the block to create space. He hit Lawal "The Wall" square in the chest and bounced off shooting an awkward fade-away that caromed off the backboard. His ability to hold his ground in the post reminded me of Kurt Thomas. He also had another nice defensive play early when he made a steal off a pick and roll play that had me impressed as well. He's definitely raw, but has the tools and heart to be a Haslem/KT player IMO. He also runs the floor well.
Scottie Reynolds: He's listed as 6'2", but he looked to be more around 6'0" to me. He's definitely a candidate to be our third point guard. The difference when he ran point compared to Dowdell was night and day. He knows what the coaches are looking for as he was always looking to push the ball and had a knack to pull off the long,low bounce pass through traffic to hit the lead man on the fastbreak. He's very crafty with the pump fakes a la Sam Cassel and positioning his body to force offensive fouls like Derek Fisher. You could tell his legs weren't under him (possibly the achilles) as he left a few of his shots short, although a couple still managed to creep in on the bounce. I'm not sure as to why he wasn't drafted. His big knock is lack of athleticism, but it didn't stand out as a deficiency to me. What do I know?
Matt Janning: The announcer, Steve Smith was very complimentary of Janning the whole game. I take back my earlier statements that he was not NBA talent. He clearly has some skill, but you couldn't tell it by looking at him. Despite his boyish appearance, he's not afraid to mix it up or take it to the hole. He's got a nice mid-rage jumper, but doesn't quite have consistent three-point range yet. He's an exception to the stereotypical white player in that he has good athleticism and nice hops. He definitely has some point guard skills, but seems better suited as a shooting guard. There's a place for him in the NBA, but I doubt with the Suns; he's to similar to Dragic. Nice player though
Everyone else was unimpressive and Dowdell just doesn't have it. The offense bogs down when he is running the point.
yeah watching janning in the first two games, i was feeling him too much. i didnt think he could finish near the rim when he attacked, but he got atleast 1 dunk. he also has a good looking confident shot.
Dowdell tends to over dribble, and yes the offense has to work harder when he's out there.
Clark, he doesnt body up on someone when it comes to rebounds, reminds me of amare. he just doesnt have the nack/smarts to get in the right position. i still dont like him settling for a jumper long or short. now's the time to work on finishing strong and inside near the rim, he did that better in this 3rd game though. so an ok improvement from him.
i'll say it again, imo Reynolds reminds me of AllenIverson, but less athletic. he had a good game for his 1st pro debut. he will only get better and healthier. his legs arent' there yet, but he still manage some fadeaways and will'd some shots to go in.
Dowdell tends to over dribble, and yes the offense has to work harder when he's out there.
Clark, he doesnt body up on someone when it comes to rebounds, reminds me of amare. he just doesnt have the nack/smarts to get in the right position. i still dont like him settling for a jumper long or short. now's the time to work on finishing strong and inside near the rim, he did that better in this 3rd game though. so an ok improvement from him.
i'll say it again, imo Reynolds reminds me of AllenIverson, but less athletic. he had a good game for his 1st pro debut. he will only get better and healthier. his legs arent' there yet, but he still manage some fadeaways and will'd some shots to go in.
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I really, really like what I'm seeing from Lawal in the first couple minutes of the GS game. He's got a Duncanesque bankshot jumper from either side of the basket. Hit it twice in a row. Then took his man strong down low for an and 1 lay up. Dude looks triple s. Strong, smooth, and skilled. I like it muy much. Griffin has looked like horse shlock. Clark shot one nice jumper that sank and one god awful jumper that missed everything.
Janning has had some nice moments. He looks very efficient. Like a guy that understands the game and rarely makes mistakes. I like him. Reynolds is nice. So far, it seems like the higher the draft pick, the worse the player haha.
Janning has had some nice moments. He looks very efficient. Like a guy that understands the game and rarely makes mistakes. I like him. Reynolds is nice. So far, it seems like the higher the draft pick, the worse the player haha.
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so he's playing against guys drafted in the same general area of the draft as was he, but without the benefit of a full year of nba experience and coaching. and he still apparently looks like crappola. great.
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So far, if I had to pick two, it would be Lawal and Janning. I love Lawal's bank jumper.
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Clark is the best player on the floor, only one who plays defense and can facilitate somewhat. He will be a good player when he gets consistent playing time for a while.
Janning is way too slow to play in the NBA if you ask me especially defensively.
Lawal looks like a good prospect if he can learn to shoot and make freethrows unfortunately he really is a bit small. Clearly smaller than Clark.
Take it with a grain of salt though, with all the injuries Golden State has even less talent on their summer league team than we do.
Janning is way too slow to play in the NBA if you ask me especially defensively.
Lawal looks like a good prospect if he can learn to shoot and make freethrows unfortunately he really is a bit small. Clearly smaller than Clark.
Take it with a grain of salt though, with all the injuries Golden State has even less talent on their summer league team than we do.
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Clark hasn't looked good to me. His defense is consistent, but he hurts us on the other end of the floor. He doesn't seem to have good instincts and his fg% has got to be terrible.
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