Suns 2019 GM/Front Office Search

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This is a NARRATIVE THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AD NAUSEUM FOR MONTHS. You know it and I know it. It was a generalization that you took personally, but that’s on you not me. The day of the trade this board was rife with how idiotic this front office was in that trade, making sure to follow up, “It was a good trade,” with, “We lucked into it because we were too idiotic to realize the Grizz were offering Marshon, not Dillon, in the deal.”

I simply said that was speculation after you (and others) have continued this narrative. Again, I shouldn’t have engaged you, my mistake.

Lol I think we were talking about different things. I took your comment about “major accusation” as being about my comment that jones said he wasn’t going to put in long hours and work on a laptop. I thought it was directed at me (even though posted in response to cheese) because you quoted the word “basically” that i used in regards to these Jones comments. Looks like you’re talking about the oubre trade.

 

[Hoop Head]

Huh, I started that comment with “good low level acquisition of Johnson.” That’s literally a positive comment. It’s like anything positive I included in a stated neutral position was typed in invisible ink.

That was negated by what you wrote after it, when someone makes a claim and then adds "Truth be told..." after it I don't think it's wrong to take what they say then as more of how they really feel than what they said prior to it. I'm sure you've heard the expression "nothing someone says before the word BUT really counts". That is applicable to your claim, IMO, especially since you added the "truth be told" part and that's what got the response to that line.

Your exact line...

- Good low level acquisition of Johnson - but truth be told he did the Heat a favor helping them strip that contract

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That was negated by what you wrote after it, when someone makes a claim and then adds "Truth be told..." after it I don't think it's wrong to take what they say then as more of how they really feel than what they said prior to it. I'm sure you've heard the expression "nothing someone says before the word BUT really counts". That is applicable to your claim, IMO, especially since you added the "truth be told" part and that's what got the response to that line.

Your exact line...

I guess the fact that I come out neutral on him lead me to look at both sides of every item we have to judge so in the end there seemed to be a counterpoint to each point I found, good or bad. But the responses I’ve received in this thread don’t just recognize the counterpoints as “negating” the original points as you claim, which would leave us in a neutral position, but rather carrying each to the opposite end of the spectrum seemingly arguing that I was overall negative in regards to jones. In essence kind of double weighting my counterpoints as compared to my original points. Which was never my intent, my expressed intent, or my actual actions.

 

[Hoop Head]

I guess the fact that I come out neutral on him lead me to look at both sides of every item we have to judge so in the end there seemed to be a counterpoint to each point I found, good or bad. But the responses I’ve received in this thread don’t just recognize the counterpoints as “negating” the original points as you claim, which would leave us in a neutral position, but rather carrying each to the opposite end of the spectrum seemingly arguing that I was overall negative in regards to jones. In essence kind of double weighting my counterpoints as compared to my original points. Which was never my intent, my expressed intent, or my actual actions.

I can see that now, and have for the last couple of posts. I think way too much time has been spent on this. We've probably discussed it more now than when the deal actually went down. If we haven't made as many posts as back then, we've probably written more words about it now.

I think part of why this has been drug out though is the debate you've had with Chap over a different point has stretched out in a similar way where the verbiage you used is being questioned specifically as well as the overall outcome from that.

 

[Cheesebeef]

this is the only thing that REALLY matters and it's embarrassing to reward a guy... with no experience... who doesn't want or feel the need to work as hard as other GMs do. The idea that you come into a job with an attitude like that... thinking that somehow he knows better than the guys before him like Jerry West, RC Buford, Sam Presti and Glen Morey, who are/were known for their drive and slave-like hours dedicated to success is flipping ridiculous.

When did he "basically" say that? That's a pretty major accusation. I don't remember ever hearing that.

pretty major accusation? This was talked about earlier in the season... hell, it was probably even talked about in this thread. Here's the literal quote:

“There’s a perception of what a GM is and what a GM does, that you have to log the hours and open up the laptop. I’ve never purported to be that guy,” Jones told Arnovitz this year.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1909...t-now-gm-james-jones-continues-daunting-task/

That doesn’t exactly scream, “I’m not going to take this job seriously.”

Are you serious? Lol... you scold Ouchie "he's better than that" in your argument with him, then turnaround and literally make something up, putting words in my mouth shifting the goalpost of our argument. I NEVER said he said he won't take the job seriously. I'm afraid he won't take the job AS SERIOUSLY AS THE GREATS AND HE SAID THE SAME THING. Just to refresh your memory... from ONE page ago, here's exactly what I said:

"HE DOESN'T THINK HE NEEDS TO WORK AS HARD AS OTHER GMS"

And that's LITERALLY what he said. He doesn't need to be on the computer or log the long hours like other GMs. That that's not his thing.

Good god... when proven wrong after your ridiculous "pretty major accusation" garbage as if I just made that statement out of thin air, you can just say: "My bad."

I PROMISE you it won't kill you.

Christ, when did you decide to turn this into some battle personal battle? I did NOTHING TO YOU, and here you go. I’m not sure why you have such bad days that you have to attack. You do it in almost every post. If you don’t like the semantics, then ****** off. Your brother doesn’t need you to swoop in and save him, especially since we weren’t even battling!

Just put me on ignore and get over it. You’re obsessed!

good lord... that's OUR entire conversation @Chaplin, where you quoted me and responded to me that I made a "pretty major accusation" against Jones like I just completely made up a quote that he said he doesn't believe in working long hours like most GMs. I then produced the actual quote, with link backing up my statement. You then CHANGED my statement to "He won't take job seriously" and I responded frustrated at the usual crap you do proven wrong, either move the goal-posts or call me an attack dog or some other drivel... all to just avoid saying "Huh... didn't remember that. I was wrong".

I wasn't an attack dog defending Ouchie... I was defending myself from your post directed at me that I made a pretty major accusation up from thin air. I only raised Ouchie's name because you condescended to him "to be better" than he was and was suggesting was you take your own advice.

This really isn't that hard to understand.

 

[Chaplin]

good lord... that's OUR entire conversation @Chaplin , where you tell ME that I MADE A "pretty major accusation" against Jones like I just completely made up a quote that he said he doesn't believe in working long hours like most GMs. I then produced the actual quote, with link backing up my statement. You then CHANGED my statement to "He won't take job seriously" and I responded frustrated at the usual crap you do proven wrong, either move the goal-posts or call me an attack dog or some other drivel... all to just avoid saying "Huh... didn't remember that. I was wrong".

I wasn't an attack dog defending Ouchie... I was defending MYSELF from YOUR idea directed AT ME that I made a pretty major accusation up from thin air. I only raised Ouchie's name because you condescended to him "to be better" than he was and was suggesting was you take your own advice.

This really isn't that hard to understand.

Apparently it is because you’re still crying about it.