Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

[Mainstreet]

No one can sign him away since he's on a Two-Way. I'd imagine the Suns have told him to keep it up and things will take care of themselves. They can pay him long term next summer when there is an opening. Only way I can see him signing full time with us early is an injury where we need another PG for the postseason.

The question I have though, wouldn't he become a free agent next summer and he could decide to move on to another team?

I'm not sure two-way contracts carry forward with RFA rights. It's a gray area for me.

Anyway, I believe in wrapping up players with low salaries long term, like the Suns did with Oso. Of course, Dunn was a first round pick, so they have his rights.

 

[Hoop Head]

The question I have though, wouldn't he become a free agent next summer and he could decide to move on to another team?

I'm not sure two-way contracts carry forward with RFA rights. It's a gray area for me.

Anyway, I believe in wrapping up players with low salaries long term, like the Suns did with Oso. Of course, Dunn was a first round pick, so they have his rights.

There is a qualifying rights sort of deal. It's basically restricted free agency. There are cap holds and such for those QO's. I'm 99% certain of this but finding anything other than folks saying what I am here is proving difficult. Apparently the Grizzlies have encountered this over the last few seasons and had no issues retaining who they wanted.

 

[Mainstreet]

There is a qualifying rights sort of deal. It's basically restricted free agency. There are cap holds and such for those QO's. I'm 99% certain of this but finding anything other than folks saying what I am here is proving difficult. Apparently the Grizzlies have encountered this over the last few seasons and had no issues retaining who they wanted.

Yeah, the Suns should have first rights, but I'm not sure if the Suns could match what another team offers him if he is not a RFA next summer.

Again, this is all a gray area to me, but Gillespie appears hungry for a spot. I don't believe the Suns had signed Tyus Jones when he signed.

 

[Mainstreet]

I was trying to think of who Gillespie reminds me of a bit, Mark Price.

I'm not saying Collin has Mark Price talent, but this is a player who comes to mind for comparison. I believe they are both about the same height.

I saw Price scrimmage with the Suns in Flagstaff one year.

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[Ronin]

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[Hoop Head]

Worth a watch, Bradley Beal discusses his deal to PHX. It's 4 minutes and he talks how he almost went to Milwaukee and Miami decided not to make a move. He received a call asking him about the Suns and he didn't see how it made sense outside of the Suns dealing Book, which made no sense to him. Cool to see a player's perspective of being dealt.

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[Chaplin]

Worth a watch, Bradley Beal discusses his deal to PHX. It's 4 minutes and he talks how he almost went to Milwaukee and Miami decided not to make a move. He received a call asking him about the Suns and he didn't see how it made sense outside of the Suns dealing Book, which made no sense to him. Cool to see a player's perspective of being dealt.

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That's awesome.

He's fast becoming my favorite Suns interview. Maybe even all-time.

 

[Hoop Head]

That's awesome.

He's fast becoming my favorite Suns interview. Maybe even all-time.

He's really charismatic and likeable. I became a fast fan last off season seeing him interviewed. Then he did that Toys for Tots drive the Suns highlighted during a game and I was sold entirely.


Here's the full podcast, for anyone interested. I just started it.

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[Chaplin]

He's really charismatic and likeable. I became a fast fan last off season seeing him interviewed. Then he did that Toys for Tots drive the Suns highlighted during a game and I was sold entirely.


Here's the full podcast, for anyone interested. I just started it.

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He doesn't give the normal canned responses. Book, for all his greatness, is the opposite. I feel like everything he says is just regurgitating the same stuff over and over -- much like pretty much every coach we've had for years since Cotton. KD is more of the middle ground.

 

[Mainstreet]

Worth a watch, Bradley Beal discusses his deal to PHX. It's 4 minutes and he talks how he almost went to Milwaukee and Miami decided not to make a move. He received a call asking him about the Suns and he didn't see how it made sense outside of the Suns dealing Book, which made no sense to him. Cool to see a player's perspective of being dealt.

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It's particularly interesting regarding the comments he made about the Bucks potentially trading Khris Middleton.

When Phoenix was offered as a destination, keeping Booker, the decision to come here seemed easy.

 

[Superbone]

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Happy newborn child too!

 

[Hoop Head]

He doesn't give the normal canned responses. Book, for all his greatness, is the opposite. I feel like everything he says is just regurgitating the same stuff over and over -- much like pretty much every coach we've had for years since Cotton. KD is more of the middle ground.

It's particularly interesting regarding the comments he made about the Bucks potentially trading Khris Middleton.

When Phoenix was offered as a destination, keeping Booker, the decision to come here seemed easy.

Yeah I just finished the podcast and he's my second favorite Sun behind Book now. He's now my favorite interview though because he's honest and open. He touches on the Suns vs Wolves series at the end but I learned a lot about him from the whole thing. I love how you can play videos at 2x speed on YouTube so I finished it all quick, there was no video to keep up with since it's an interview which means that just sped up their talking. It was a friendly discussion though so you could tell everyone was laid back.

Beal has helped sell me on this season though. Not by what he promised just learning more how his drive is. He didn't promise anything other than they're working hard, which is nice. Hopefully it works out for all of them and us.

 

[AzStevenCal]

He doesn't give the normal canned responses. Book, for all his greatness, is the opposite. I feel like everything he says is just regurgitating the same stuff over and over -- much like pretty much every coach we've had for years since Cotton. KD is more of the middle ground.

Yeah Devin is always conscious of his brand when he has a mic in front of him. I can't blame him but I'd much rather watch Beal talk from the heart.

 

[Superbone]

Yeah Devin is always conscious of his brand when he has a mic in front of him. I can't blame him but I'd much rather watch Beal talk from the heart.

That would be quite the feat. First of all, it would be hard to enunciate let alone see his heart lips move. Secondly,... OK, I will let myself out.

 

[Phrazbit]

Happy newborn child too!

Well, that explains the weight gain.

 

[Mainstreet]

Could Oso Ighodaro soon become the Suns backup center? Evan Sidery and some on the forum seem to think so.

As a second round pick, this would be a huge jump for a rookie. Also, it sheds light on an area of weakness.

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[Mainstreet]

It's good that Oso Ighodaro is getting recognition. Ryan Dunn shouldn't be far behind.

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[JCSunsfan]

It’s not hard to play a rookie who makes smart plays and few mistakes. If If I was coaching I would be thinking hard about making him the #2 center. However, he needs to grab more boards.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Dunns defense is a joy to watch. It’s that smooth type of D like Mikal rather than that crazy D that Okogie plays. If he new three point shooting is legit, he could be one of the best players of the 24 draft.

 

[AzStevenCal]

It’s not hard to play a rookie who makes smart plays and few mistakes. If If I was coaching I would be thinking hard about making him the #2 center. However, he needs to grab more boards.

I want Oso to play as much as possible too but the real tests won't come until he starts showing up in opponent scouting reports. Same with Dunn.

 

[Pda4976]

Dunns defense is a joy to watch. It’s that smooth type of D like Mikal rather than that crazy D that Okogie plays. If he new three point shooting is legit, he could be one of the best players of the 24 draft.

If he was an average 3 point shooter in college he would have been a top 5 pick. His defensive instincts are off the charts. Mikal is a great team defender, Ryan seems to also be a great 1 on 1 defender.

 

[Suns_fan69]

It’s not hard to play a rookie who makes smart plays and few mistakes. If If I was coaching I would be thinking hard about making him the #2 center. However, he needs to grab more boards.

He's making mistakes, he's led the team in TOs in both games (well, tied with Grayson vs the Lakers with 3), but he plays hard and does try to atone for them.

The transition block vs LA was from a miscue between him and Grayson and Oso, and Okogie, hustled back to prevent the fast break layup.

His defense has been slightly better than I anticipated, he's got good help instincts and active hands, but size wise he will struggle with the bigger Cs. There's not too many of them left, but the ones that are around are going to be a load (Embiid, Jokic)

 

[CardNots]

He's making mistakes, he's led the team in TOs in both games (well, tied with Grayson vs the Lakers with 3), but he plays hard and does try to atone for them.

The transition block vs LA was from a miscue between him and Grayson and Oso, and Okogie, hustled back to prevent the fast break layup.

His defense has been slightly better than I anticipated, he's got good help instincts and active hands, but size wise he will struggle with the bigger Cs. There's not too many of them left, but the ones that are around are going to be a load (Embiid, Jokic)

Do not forget Davis

 

[Proximo]

I don't quite get why Oso is getting such praise. He has been ok, but to me Dunn has been far more impressive. Dunn can get real minutes as our defensive stopper.

Sure Oso can make a few decent passes, but so can Kaminsky. Really I think Frank can do everything Oso does with the exception of catching lobs, and he can sort of space the floor which Oso can't do.

 

[Proximo]

He's making mistakes, he's led the team in TOs in both games (well, tied with Grayson vs the Lakers with 3), but he plays hard and does try to atone for them.

The transition block vs LA was from a miscue between him and Grayson and Oso, and Okogie, hustled back to prevent the fast break layup.

His defense has been slightly better than I anticipated, he's got good help instincts and active hands, but size wise he will struggle with the bigger Cs. There's not too many of them left, but the ones that are around are going to be a load (Embiid, Jokic)

Yeah, he is really kind of a tweener between power forward and center. He can't play power forward well because he has no outside shot, and he can't guard a lot of centers. However based on what I have seen from Plumlee he can't really guard bigger centers very well either.