Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

[Ronin]

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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That’s a crazy jump

 

[Ronin]

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[Proximo]

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This would suck if it was for butler, but Middleton and Portis could work out.

 

[Mainstreet]

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This would suck if it was for butler, but Middleton and Portis could work out.

Bobby Portis is what the Suns have needed for years.

 

[Hoop Head]

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This would suck if it was for butler, but Middleton and Portis could work out.

Bucks are an apron team so we're not getting both. They need to somehow get under the apron to aggregate players, which means losing someone for nothing. Odds of them giving up multiple rotation players aren't good.

 

[Proximo]

Bucks are an apron team so we're not getting both. They need to somehow get under the apron to aggregate players, which means losing someone for nothing. Odds of them giving up multiple rotation players aren't good.

If you read that article it says they would first have to dump Connington's salary to do the deal.

I know it sounds like a lot - if you look at their salaries Portis and Middleton's contracts are the two that fit, and coincidently Portis is what we need.

I guess it all depends on how much they want Beal.

Unfortunately I think Ishbia wants Butler, not Millwaukee's stuff, which would be a huge mistake - but either way I think Millwaukee would have to send out those two players whether they go to Miami or us.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If you read that article it says they would first have to dump Connington's salary to do the deal.

I know it sounds like a lot - if you look at their salaries Portis and Middleton's contracts are the two that fit, and coincidently Portis is what we need.

I guess it all depends on how much they want Beal.

Unfortunately I think Ishbia wants Butler, not Millwaukee's stuff, which would be a huge mistake - but either way I think Millwaukee would have to send out those two players whether they go to Miami or us.

I would be beyond floored if Milwaukee traded both of those guys for Beal’s broken down and toxic contract.

 

[Hoop Head]

If you read that article it says they would first have to dump Connington's salary to do the deal.

I know it sounds like a lot - if you look at their salaries Portis and Middleton's contracts are the two that fit, and coincidently Portis is what we need.

I guess it all depends on how much they want Beal.

Unfortunately I think Ishbia wants Butler, not Millwaukee's stuff, which would be a huge mistake - but either way I think Millwaukee would have to send out those two players whether they go to Miami or us.

I did read it. I still can't see them moving 3 rotation players for Beal. It doesn't make sense unless Giannis is demanding it and I highly doubt that is the case given his history with Middleton.

Time will tell but I can't see Milwaukee losing all of those players.

 

[Yuma]

I did read it. I still can't see them moving 3 rotation players for Beal. It doesn't make sense unless Giannis is demanding it and I highly doubt that is the case given his history with Middleton.

Time will tell but I can't see Milwaukee losing all of those players.

I have seen where they want off Middleton. Portis I know they like. I can't see Connington being easily traded either. That's a lot of ifs and buts to have that get done.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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This would suck if it was for butler, but Middleton and Portis could work out.

Gimme just Portis if possible.

 

[Germz249]

Bobby Portis is what the Suns have needed for years.

the brass are hard at work trying to make things happen.

I can see Giannis, Lillard and Beal working..

 

[Mainstreet]

the brass are hard at work trying to make things happen.

I can see Giannis, Lillard and Beal working..

To be clear, if it is butter, hold the syrup. I repeat, hold the syrup.

Spinoff trades are welcome. Did I ever tell you I had a friend named Bobby?

 

[Proximo]

Suns are the betting favorites to get Patrick Williams. I am not very familiar with him, but his numbers don't look that great, but he is still only 23 and he is a PF.

Only salary that seems to fit is Nurk, so I am all for that if it is doable. Williams has 4 more years at 18 million per year - so he meets the bad contract qualification.

 

[Hoop Head]

Suns are the betting favorites to get Patrick Williams. I am not very familiar with him, but his numbers don't look that great, but he is still only 23 and he is a PF.

Only salary that seems to fit is Nurk, so I am all for that if it is doable. Williams has 4 more years at 18 million per year - so he meets the bad contract qualification.

He's a fantastic defender, inside and out. Was a finalist for Defensive Player of the Year the last time he was healthy, which was when Mikal was also a DPOY finalist and the Suns won 64 games. Williams is always hurt but when he's not he's like a modern day Ben Wallace. I wouldn't bank on him being healthy. Beal plays more than he does.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm not expecting the Suns to be able to trade for Patrick Williams but who knows.

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[SirStefan32]

Doesn't he have screws in hit foot or ankle or something crazy like that?

 

[Hoop Head]

He's a fantastic defender, inside and out. Was a finalist for Defensive Player of the Year the last time he was healthy, which was when Mikal was also a DPOY finalist and the Suns won 64 games. Williams is always hurt but when he's not he's like a modern day Ben Wallace. I wouldn't bank on him being healthy. Beal plays more than he does.

Ok, I'm an idiot and got confused. I was thinking Robert Williams.


Still don't see why we'd be after Patrick Williams. Definitely don't want to trade a future 1st for him. He's a tweener forward who reminds me of Derrick Williams, who flamed out of the NBA.

 

[Ronin]

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Devin Booker (35.7 PPG, 4.3 APG, 4.3 RPG, 2.0 SPG, 47.8 FG%, 42.9 3P%, 2-1 record) was nominated for Western Conference Player of the Week.Jalen Green (32.5 PPG, 3.5 APG, 3.5 RPG, 0.5 SPG, 60.6 FG%, 63.3 3P%, 3-1 record) won it

 

[Yuma]

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Devin Booker (35.7 PPG, 4.3 APG, 4.3 RPG, 2.0 SPG, 47.8 FG%, 42.9 3P%, 2-1 record) was nominated for Western Conference Player of the Week.Jalen Green (32.5 PPG, 3.5 APG, 3.5 RPG, 0.5 SPG, 60.6 FG%, 63.3 3P%, 3-1 record) won it

Those field goal percentages are wicked by Green!

 

[Proximo]

Ok, I'm an idiot and got confused. I was thinking Robert Williams.


Still don't see why we'd be after Patrick Williams. Definitely don't want to trade a future 1st for him. He's a tweener forward who reminds me of Derrick Williams, who flamed out of the NBA.

It would be a salary dump for Chicago, and a way for us to get rid of Nurk.

It's believable to me based on his stats and contract.

 

[how_sweet_it_is]

Here is a less childish, more thoughtful way of giving Booker the dismissal he deserves. When I said Booker wilts under pressure, my use of the word "wilt" accidentally turned me on to one of the most ironic back-handed compliments I can think of for an NBA player.

Honestly, Devin Booker makes me think of the negative aspects of Wilt Chamberlain. Yes--here is why a Wilt Chamberlain comparison is not ridiculous and you might want to read this. Don't think of how Chamberlain was the un-qualified greatest scorer in history before Michael Jordan, and still the qualified greatest (e.g. "greatest big man scorer ever"); think of how Wilt wilted. (Yes, pointing out the cruel irony in Wilt Chamberlain's name is so obvious that I must be the millionth person to notice it.) How Chamberlain was notorious for having less fire and drive and killer instinct than his archrival Bill Russell (whom I admire much more than Chamberlain). Russell usually or always outplayed Chamberlain, and won most or all of the championships. Chamberlain came off as cooler, quieter, and softer. Like Devin Booker. Booker is the Chamberlain to Chris Paul's Russell.

 

[Yuma]

Here is a less childish, more thoughtful way of giving Booker the dismissal he deserves. When I said Booker wilts under pressure, my use of the word "wilt" accidentally turned me on to one of the most ironic back-handed compliments I can think of for an NBA player.

Honestly, Devin Booker makes me think of the negative aspects of Wilt Chamberlain. Here is why a Wilt Chamberlain comparison is not ridiculous and you might want to read this. Don't think of how Chamberlain was the un-qualified greatest scorer in history before Michael Jordan, and still the qualified greatest (e.g. "greatest big man scorer ever"); think of how Wilt wilted. (Yes, pointing out the cruel irony in Wilt Chamberlain's name is so obvious that I must be the millionth person to notice it.) How Chamberlain was notorious for having less fire and drive and killer instinct than his archrival Bill Russell (whom I admire much more than Chamberlain). Russell usually or always outplayed Chamberlain, and won most or all of the championships. Chamberlain came off as cooler, quieter, and softer. Like Devin Booker. Booker is the Chamberlain to Chris Paul's Russell.

I saw Wilt different than you. Bill Russell was more like Dennis Rodman. When Wilt played Russell it was like Wilt was playing 1 versus 5. Russell had a much superior team, and he was playing just to minimize Wilt. Wilt didn't not score or rebound against Russell. Russell just slowed down Wilt better than the rest of the league. This is how a lot of NBA historians also look at it from my readings. Basically Wilt tired of the game and didn't want to be a back up center to Kareem. If he played as long as some of the guys are playing now, and there was indication from Jerry Colangelo himself that Wilt had plenty left in the tank, his total scoring mark would arguably still be standing. One year on the Philedephia squad he finally got decent teammates and they blew through the regular season, and even blew past the vaunted Celtics. Unfortunately a couple key teammates from that team retired and were injured the next season.

 

[Yuma]

Lakers are 22-18 in the sixth spot, the last non-playin spot. We are 21-21. I don't think there is enough difference to make Ishbia blow it up. Supposedly the Suns are wearing out the rest of the league calling about trades. At least it sounds like they are trying. We would need to go on a big losing streak to start the fire sale. Even then, time is against us, and Nurkic and Beal aren't exactly hot trade commodities. Not sure even KD is.

 

[Hoop Head]

Lakers are 22-18 in the sixth spot, the last non-playin spot. We are 21-21. I don't think there is enough difference to make Ishbia blow it up. Supposedly the Suns are wearing out the rest of the league calling about trades. At least it sounds like they are trying. We would need to go on a big losing streak to start the fire sale. Even then, time is against us, and Nurkic and Beal aren't exactly hot trade commodities. Not sure even KD is.

I think this embarrassing loss to Dan Gilbert's Cavs counts more than a 5 game skid to Ishbia. We'll see what happens.