Suns at 76ers Game Thread 11-25-12

[Absolute Zero]

He won't. There's no point in arguing with him. He absolutely hates Beasley. Beasley can win multiple MVPs and win us rings but he will still hate him. I have him in a few other forums and his constant Beasley hate gets annoying for others as well so we all messaged each other and decided to completely ignore him. We all agreed that Beasley may have done something to either him or his family (and Phrazbit if that's the case then I completely respect your position) which is behind the utter hatred.

Not saying we should do that here but I'm just warning you, there really is no point in arguing with Phrazbit about Beasley.

Well when he said that Beasley was "quantitatively" the worst player in the NBA, it sounded like he had some statistics to back it up. So I will keep waiting and if he doesn't back it up, we know its just his opinion, which lacks any credibility.

Beasley has a lot of room for improvement that is for sure. But the Beasley hatred is uncalled for as far as I can see. And it gets really old listening to it around here.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well when he said that Beasley was "quantitatively" the worst player in the NBA, it sounded like he had some statistics to back it up. So I will keep waiting and if he doesn't back it up, we know its just his opinion, which lacks any credibility.

lacks any credibility? Beasely has bounced around the NBA, is on his third team in five years, has been labeled a cancer, and couldn't be given away at the trade deadline. It's not like he's saying Kobe Bryant sucks here.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think it's a gamble to play Beasley but I also understand why we're doing it and I have no problem with taking that risk. But, it seems absolutely insane to play both Beasley and Scola at the same time. A defense might be able to make up for one of those guys but not for both of them at the same time. Play them both but don't put them on the court together, ever. OR, hire a scout that really knows the college game and then solidify our draft position by letting those two share court time.

Steve

 

[BC867]

Beasley was brought here to do one thing. Be our 20+ ppg scoring leader at the wing and our All Star, having averaged 19.2 two seasons ago.

But despite his occasional good games, he has failed most of the time, leaving us without a go-to scorer. His average of 11.8 is not much better than his 11.5 last season with Minnesota.

If that is the best he can do, Suns fans have a right to react. And if it caused by injury, he should be shelved until he is at least 90%.

Especially with his substitute, Tucker, being among our most valuable players so far this season.

 

[elindholm]

Well when he said that Beasley was "quantitatively" the worst player in the NBA, it sounded like he had some statistics to back it up. So I will keep waiting and if he doesn't back it up

He posted a link before, some advanced metrics thing somewhere. Use Advanced Search to track it down if you're interested. I'm not saying it is right or wrong, but there exists at least one "quantitative" measurement in which Beasley is at or near the bottom of the league.

 

[Phrazbit]

There are at least 360 players in the NBA. So please do back this up with something other than your opinion.

http://www.thenbageek.com/players?direction=asc&sort=wins_produced

Yes, there are metric stats that point to Beasley quantitatively being the worst player in the entire league. There is one for you.

He won't. There's no point in arguing with him. He absolutely hates Beasley. Beasley can win multiple MVPs and win us rings but he will still hate him. I have him in a few other forums and his constant Beasley hate gets annoying for others as well so we all messaged each other and decided to completely ignore him. We all agreed that Beasley may have done something to either him or his family (and Phrazbit if that's the case then I completely respect your position) which is behind the utter hatred.

Not saying we should do that here but I'm just warning you, there really is no point in arguing with Phrazbit about Beasley.

lol, right, you despise me because you enjoy making a fool of yourself. I told you that Beasley would be awful before the year, and as it turns out Beasley is awful.

But this must mean I "hate him and would hate him if he won MVP"... how about Beasley elevates his play to the level of merely being an average player instead of his career long saga of suck before you can claim my hate is unfounded.

And these "private convos" on other boards you had must have been a real hoot considering all of those posters find you as adolescent as the posters here do. But please, keep up the fables of you and your make believe gang of cronies (that part is really sad. You have told this whopper on every board and claimed it happened on some "other board", it shows a real lack of security in your own opinion when you have to make up people to agree with you) having me on ignore (even though you clearly do not), because you are totally incapable of rational discourse.

From my experience you are the Michael Beasley of Suns posters. Your metrics are off the chart bad. In not one thread have you contributed anything more than leaving a stain on the conversation.

 

[slinslin]

phrazbit's annoying beasley bashing makes pretty much every suns board unreadable at the moment

everyone knows it now, you can stop. Dudley has not looked any better, and Gortat and Dragic haven't been too hot either lately. I saw Dragic take more stupid shots than Beasley last night.

 

[hcsilla]

I'm also surprised how heavily Beasley bashed after this game.

Haven't any of you, Beasley haters noticed that Jrue Holiday alone torched the Suns, especially Dragic?

Blaming yesterday's loss on Beasley is unfair and I was very polite.

Not to mention that Beasley definitely did show some signs of improvement. He moved the ball, his drives were better and his last attempt to tie the game didn't just go in due bad luck.

 

[Absolute Zero]

lacks any credibility? Beasely has bounced around the NBA, is on his third team in five years, has been labeled a cancer, and couldn't be given away at the trade deadline. It's not like he's saying Kobe Bryant sucks here.

No credibility because he is saying that Beasley is "quantitatively" the worst basketball player in the NBA. Anyone who goes so extreme and biased is not credible.

No one is disputing Beasley has much improvement to be made.

 

[Absolute Zero]

http://www.thenbageek.com/players?direction=asc&sort=wins_produced

Yes, there are metric stats that point to Beasley quantitatively being the worst player in the entire league. There is one for you.

Let's see, a cherry picked "wins produced" stat based upon 13 games with a bad team while playing with an injured finger. Hmmmm. Sorry, that doesn't get it done.

What about all the NBA players that's aren't good enough to get into earn the privilege of getting into the game?

You still haven't shown that Beasley is the worst player in the entire NBA.

 

[Chaplin]

Let's see, a cherry picked "wins produced" stat based upon 13 games with a bad team while playing with an injured finger. Hmmmm. Sorry, that doesn't get it done.

What about all the NBA players that's aren't good enough to get into earn the privilege of getting into the game?

You still haven't shown that Beasley is the worst player in the entire NBA.

And according to that list, the top 10 "worst" players in the NBA includes Andrea Bargnani and LaMarcus Aldridge. Not sure if anyone would buy that.

 

[AfroSuns]

Let's see, a cherry picked "wins produced" stat based upon 13 games with a bad team while playing with an injured finger. Hmmmm. Sorry, that doesn't get it done.

What about all the NBA players that's aren't good enough to get into earn the privilege of getting into the game?

You still haven't shown that Beasley is the worst player in the entire NBA.

I pretty much ignored him when he posted that link. You probably wanna do the same, He is set in his belief that Beasley is the worst player. It's been that way before Beasley stepped on the court this season and i doubt it will change.

 

[Phrazbit]

Let's see, a cherry picked "wins produced" stat based upon 13 games with a bad team while playing with an injured finger. Hmmmm. Sorry, that doesn't get it done.

What about all the NBA players that's aren't good enough to get into earn the privilege of getting into the game?

You still haven't shown that Beasley is the worst player in the entire NBA.

I said he is the worst player in the league up to this point in the year. And given that he is shooting 35% (while shooting a ton) and is an abysmal defender its hard to claim he hasnt been. Do I think he will stay the worst? Probably not. I while I think he is awful I wouldnt have called him the worst coming into the year. But up to now in THIS season, yes.

 

[Phrazbit]

And according to that list, the top 10 "worst" players in the NBA includes Andrea Bargnani and LaMarcus Aldridge. Not sure if anyone would buy that.

Aldridge is certainly struggling right now, but I'd buy Bargnani as among one of the worst players in the league so far this year. If you cant shoot but shoot a ton, and you dont play a lick of defense or rebound then its going to have an extremely negative impact on your team.

The reason why all of those guys rate poorly in that stat is because they're shooting too much and shooting poorly. Is Beasley actually a better player than most guys rotting on the end of teams benches? Yes! He is better than those guys for sure, however, no player so far this season has more negatively effected his teams chances of winning games than Beasley.

 

[95pro]

didn't watch the game last eve, wow beasley's layup was right there. would have been tied. but there's no guarantee we would have won anyway haha.

 

[Errntknght]

Beasley almost certainly isn't the worst player in the league but he's definitely in the running for the worst player among all of those that have played over 40% of their team's minutes to date - 180 players make that cutoff. (82games, Sortable Simple Ratings) In the simple ratings (variant of PER) he is dead last; in the on-court +/- he is second to last; in the on-court/offcourt +/- he is last by a large margin. (This last is because when he is off-court PJTucker usually replaces him, and PJ has been playing great.)
Beasley's raw +/- equals -104, tied for worst in the league with Gibson (Cleve) -- this is among all players. The next closest scores are -88 for Johnson(Sac) and -87 Booker (Wash). Gibson is probably worse than Beasley by this metric as he got his -104 in many fewer minutes, but on the other hand he is playing for a team who's team +/- equals -68, whereas the Suns team +/- is -41.

 

[BC867]

Well, Beasley got us back into the game but then he blows a layup to tie it. That can't work too well for his confidence.

I think someone posted that it was bad luck. Another said that it should have been called goal tending. Bullfeathers!

Let's hear it right from the horse's mouth.

It was my fault ... I thought he was going to cut me off, so I was thinking spin or cut-crossover before I saw the light of the basket .. I can't miss those ... If I can't finish, then we're going to have a long season

Michael Beasley is a better analyst than basketball player.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun...-complete-rally-against-philadelphia-ers.html

 

[Phrazbit]

Beasley almost certainly isn't the worst player in the league but he's definitely in the running for the worst player among all of those that have played over 40% of their team's minutes to date - 180 players make that cutoff. (82games, Sortable Simple Ratings) In the simple ratings (variant of PER) he is dead last; in the on-court +/- he is second to last; in the on-court/offcourt +/- he is last by a large margin. (This last is because when he is off-court PJTucker usually replaces him, and PJ has been playing great.)
Beasley's raw +/- equals -104, tied for worst in the league with Gibson (Cleve) -- this is among all players. The next closest scores are -88 for Johnson(Sac) and -87 Booker (Wash). Gibson is probably worse than Beasley by this metric as he got his -104 in many fewer minutes, but on the other hand he is playing for a team who's team +/- equals -68, whereas the Suns team +/- is -41.

Exactly. I am not saying literally that Beasley is the worst player in all of basketball. What I am saying is that no one in the league THIS YEAR has been worse than Beasley, and when you quantify his results against other players that are receiving regular playing time it is virtually impossible to tab someone doing worse than him.

 

[sunsfan88]

phrazbit's annoying beasley bashing makes pretty much every suns board unreadable at the moment

everyone knows it now, you can stop. Dudley has not looked any better, and Gortat and Dragic haven't been too hot either lately. I saw Dragic take more stupid shots than Beasley last night.

Probably the first time I agree with you but yes you are spot on with everything.

 

[sunsfan88]

And according to that list, the top 10 "worst" players in the NBA includes Andrea Bargnani and LaMarcus Aldridge. Not sure if anyone would buy that.

Also included on that list are Klay Thompson and Josh Smith.

I wanna see him go and ask Warriors fans or Hawks fans if they think Thompson or Smith is among the worst players in the league this year and hear their thoughts on the topic.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Probably the first time I agree with you but yes you are spot on with everything.

this is the tell-tale sign you're wrong.

 

[BC867]

When I was a kid and read Mad magazine ("What, Me Worry?"), they had a cartoon I've never forgotten.

Four pizzerias on the block, each with big signs outside . . .

Luigi's Pizza -- Best pizza in the state

Mario's Pizza -- Best pizza in the country

Giuseppe's Pizza -- Best pizza in the world

And a few doors down . . .

Irving's pizza -- Best pizza on the block.

It really doesn't matter if Beasley is or isn't the worst player in the league this year.

Only that he is the worst player in the Suns 10-man rotation.

 

[AzStevenCal]

When I was a kid and read Mad magazine ("What, Me Worry?"), they had a cartoon I've never forgotten.

Four pizzerias on the block, each with big signs outside . . .

Luigi's Pizza -- Best pizza in the state

Mario's Pizza -- Best pizza in the country

Giuseppe's Pizza -- Best pizza in the world

And a few doors down . . .

Irving's pizza -- Best pizza on the block.

It really doesn't matter if Beasley is or isn't the worst player in the league this year.

Only that he is the worst player in the Suns 10-man rotation.

I remember that cartoon. Either I read an old copy (or a reprint) or you are understating your age by a decade plus. I wasn't allowed to bring Mad into my house but a neighborhood friend always let me read his copies. My guess, that issue was mid to late 60's. But, anyway, it was clever and has stuck with me too.

As for Beasley, yes he's clearly our worst player right now. But, he has the potential to be an almost unstoppable scorer if we could figure out a way to survive him on the other end. I'm not advocating going through that again with a player who helps you on one end and kills you on the other but this still seems like a good year to try a gamble like this.

Steve

 

[Phrazbit]

When I was a kid and read Mad magazine ("What, Me Worry?"), they had a cartoon I've never forgotten.

Four pizzerias on the block, each with big signs outside . . .

Luigi's Pizza -- Best pizza in the state

Mario's Pizza -- Best pizza in the country

Giuseppe's Pizza -- Best pizza in the world

And a few doors down . . .

Irving's pizza -- Best pizza on the block.

It really doesn't matter if Beasley is or isn't the worst player in the league this year.

Only that he is the worst player in the Suns 10-man rotation.

lol, fair enough.

 

[BC867]

I remember that cartoon. Either I read an old copy (or a reprint) or you are understating your age by a decade plus. I wasn't allowed to bring Mad into my house but a neighborhood friend always let me read his copies. My guess, that issue was mid to late 60's.

Well, in the mid to late 60's, I was 25-30. Yeah, I was still a kid if I was still reading Mad Magazine. Hey, when I got married at 26, I gave up my subscription to Playboy.

I smoked until I was 26 and had switched to menthol when my allergies acted up. So I got a kick out of their spoof of Salem cigarettes where they showed a raft floating down the river with a Salem sail.

The theme was, "Sail 'em, don't inhale 'em." I looked for a picture online. 'Found articles, but no picture.