Suns' bench not a busy place

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By Mike Tulumello, Tribune

Meet the Maytag repairmen of the NBA: The bench players for the Suns.
They don't play a whole lot, and they surely don't score regularly.
With the league's highest scoring starting unit — by far — playing between 34 and 39 minutes a game and scoring a combined 90 points, there's not a lot of demand for bench production.

The way coach Mike D'Antoni figures it, if his team is averaging nearly 110 points a game, most in the NBA in 10 years, "It doesn't matter who's scoring."

Take that huge win Friday night in Seattle. The Suns were outscored on the bench, 27-7.

Yet they still eked out their season's biggest win, 112-110. That's pretty much the way things are going for the Suns, who — at 21-3 — have gotten off to one of the best starts ever in the NBA.

"My gosh, we have five starters averaging nearly 20 points," D'Antoni pointed out. "There's not much time" for reserves. "But they're doing a good job."

The player who seems to have thrived most in these uncertain conditions is center Steven Hunter.

Whether he plays 10 or 20 minutes, he's been consistently effective by giving the Suns shot-blocking and a much-needed defensive presence. Sometimes, he even breaks through at the offensive end, as in his 17-point game Saturday against Washington, which tied his career high.

Moreover, he's unusually quick down the floor for a big man, so the Suns' vaunted running game doesn't suffer when he plays.

"If I play a lot of minutes one night and not the next, it doesn't matter as long as we're getting the win," Hunter said.

"The big picture is the win."

The biggest factor, he said, is that, "We have good chemistry. Everybody likes each other." Like many stellar reserves, Hunter views his role as providing energy.

"The less I play, the more energy I should have," he reasons. "I'm comfortable with my role."

A player who has been affected a great deal by the starters' exploits is Casey Jacobsen. He's regarded as the designated shooter off the bench.

But shooters need time to get in a rhythm. And that's not happening.

Besides, even when he gets extended minutes, a couple of those starters are still in the game putting up shots.

Said D'Antoni, "Sometimes they don't score, because if Amare (Stoudemire) is out there, we're going to him. Jacobsen has only shot 24 times in the past 156 minutes (the rough equivalent of three full games).

He took only one shot in 14 minutes vs. the SuperSonics, yet it was a big one. He nailed a 3-pointer, part of the Suns’ comeback from a 16-point deficit.

"It does take a different mental approach," he said.

In his first two NBA seasons, "I played less, but I got more shots" playing behind a more ordinary starting unit.

"My role is less about shooting (now) and more about playing defense, being a solid role player who makes good choices."

In certain games, such as when a starter is in foul trouble, reserves will be called on to score, he pointed out.

But that's more the exception that proves the rule.

"Would I like to shoot more? Yes, but right now, we don't need that," said Jacobsen.

The other two players who get in games regularly are point guard Leandro Barbosa, who struggled for a couple of weeks but has played well lately, and Bo Outlaw, the old pro who gets a few minutes here and there.

To hear Outlaw tell it, his irregular appearances don't bother him a bit.

"I know how to play," he said. So do the Suns as a whole, including a reserve corps with a downsized role.

"I don't find anything wrong with it," D'Antoni said.

As long as his team can boast the NBA's best record, neither will anybody else.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=33422
 

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The Suns still need to add some firepower to the bench if they expect to play this game in the playoffs. I don't know where to add it since they seem committed to Casey and Bo in a deep rotation, and those are the two positions where I think the bench needs the most help (or at least could find help at this point in the season). They'll need that firepower in the playoffs when legs get wobbly.
 

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I wish they could find 8-10 minutes a game for Lampe to become comfortable. He is potentially a difference maker with his sweet jumper, but he doesn't get enough minutes to find his range.

But at this point D'Antoni is going to ride the horse that brought him this far and I can't complain about the results.
 

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As odd it may seem to those who notice I'm always harping on playing our bigs more, I think the team should pick up another veteran guard or swing man. I haven't changed my thinking but it's looking clear that coach Mikey is going to stay with his plan and our guys are playing too many minutes besides running the risk of an injury forcing them into even more minutes. If he's going to do it he might as well go whole hog and get more players that fit his plan. Someone along the line of Mario Elie of a few years ago would be great - strong defender and clutch shooter. At the very least a good defender. (I'm not talking about trading CJ, just in case you might think that.)

The way Chicago is coming on we might as well trade that pick before it's looking like a #10 or so - I think the Bulls are looking at the #6 pick already. We don't have much else to offer in the way of players... it would have to be one or more of Zarko, Bo, Jake, Vroman or Lampe. Hopefully, not Lampe as that would probably come back to haunt us in a couple of years.
 

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I think this team is heading for disaster as the starters ARE PLAYING TOO MANY MINUTES. If Nash or STAT go down we will lose many games. I think if one of the other big 3 goes out for 6 weeks then the other 4 can pick up the slack. Nash and Stat are the difference of having an elite team over a very good team.

D'Antoni needs to utilize his bench much more. He has done well by Nash. He is using Sloan's technique (with Stockton) with Barbosa relieving Nash before and after each quarter...he just needs to insert a few more on the bench to rest the other four more.
 

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minercon said:
I think this team is heading for disaster as the starters ARE PLAYING TOO MANY MINUTES. If Nash or STAT go down we will lose many games. I think if one of the other big 3 goes out for 6 weeks then the other 4 can pick up the slack. Nash and Stat are the difference of having an elite team over a very good team.

D'Antoni needs to utilize his bench much more. He has done well by Nash. He is using Sloan's technique (with Stockton) with Barbosa relieving Nash before and after each quarter...he just needs to insert a few more on the bench to rest the other four more.

I was very critical of the distribution of minutes in the first couple of weeks, but since then I have become less concerned. I still wish Steve Nash was playing a couple minutes less, but I figure it's not worth bitching about. JJ and Shawn Marion are playing just under 40 minutes per game. I don't think that's a problem. They might want to watch Shawn Marion because he played Olympic basketball (Amare hardly played). Otherwise I think it's fine.

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minercon, I disagree completely. When KC Jones was coaching the Celtics, he was constantly ripped for playing his starters too many minutes. His response was that the starters were his best players and they could rest in the off-season.

I agree with KC.
 

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azdad1978 said:
By Mike Tulumello, Tribune

Meet the Maytag repairmen of the NBA: The bench players for the Suns.

:shrug: I didn't know I was supposed to be part of the team :thumbup:
I just thought I was here to enjoy the games! :wave:
 

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Hopefully Zarko, Lampe, and Vroman will get some minutes in some games and they will be able to help more as the season goes on.

If Zarko could return to his form of a year ago he will give us some great help against any team. Lampe being younger, needs a lot of minutes to help later this year and I do not think he is going to get it until next year. He is 19 and needs a lot of playing time to improve. Vroman probably will not get enough minutes to help this team this year either.

Someone has to go on IR in a while for Jake to get back.

D'Antoni might also be thinking of getting more minutes to Outlaw as time goes on. A good defense means you do not have to score as much with those tired legs to win ball games, and I believe the scoring will go down as the year goes on.
 

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sunsfn said:
Hopefully Zarko, Lampe, and Vroman will get some minutes in some games and they will be able to help more as the season goes on.

If Zarko could return to his form of a year ago he will give us some great help against any team. Lampe being younger, needs a lot of minutes to help later this year and I do not think he is going to get it until next year. He is 19 and needs a lot of playing time to improve. Vroman probably will not get enough minutes to help this team this year either.

Someone has to go on IR in a while for Jake to get back.

D'Antoni might also be thinking of getting more minutes to Outlaw as time goes on. A good defense means you do not have to score as much with those tired legs to win ball games, and I believe the scoring will go down as the year goes on.
Exactly right, man. Zarko's return to form will come and when it does MArion will play less minutes and the bench scoring will be up. Barbosa's starting to get it together and Lampe will contribute next year. I don't think we have a bad bench I just think they need time. NExt year if we don't trade anybody we could be looking at a championship team. If we could pick up Zo and have a true center rotation of Zo and Hunter and bring Q off the bench I think we'd be there right now.
 

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Right now, the Suns could probably use another guard. They've got plenty of big men who are worth playing if there's an injury up front.

IMO the "bench problem" isn't that any one player is playing too many minutes, it's that all of the starters are playing star-player minutes (except Nash). Most teams have at least one starter who's not any better than his backup, but that's obviously not the case for the Suns.


Right now it looks like Lampe is the ninth man--he might lose that spot to Voskuhl when Jake is healthy, though. I wouldn't mind seeing Shawn Marion play fewer minutes (they've already cut minutes for Nash and Amare)...of course, the more wins the Suns get right now, the easier it will be to rest guys in March... :shrug:
 

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