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I have been thinking this as well. I know most are against it but Book can be deadly if he plays like he is tonight in this role. He's creating shots for his teammates and himself. Taking what the defense is giving him.

Of course we still need a true PG but if somehow we can get Zion we take him and worry about a PG in free agency

For sure. Booker should be the Suns starting point guard going forward. Let's quit experimenting.
 
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Yes but there should be times where other people take it up the court. He appeared to have a lot more energy this game because the ball didn't go through him every possession

Agree. The Suns need to be strategic resting Booker.

The Suns could use a better backup point guard to rest him with some of the ball handling duties.
 

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Man! If we could just put Kemba Walker on our roster.
Man that would be the dream for me right now. I was hoping all offseason that they’d try for Kemba. Not looking likely at all now the way that dude is playing
 
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Josh Jackson had a nice game with 11 points with 2-4 shooting from the field and 6-7 from the free throw line.

If Jackson can ever turn the corner this team could be on their way.
 

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nice W! Crawford is what we wished Ariza was. Man does Ariza suck (outside that three at the end).
 

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Wow! Once we went down six, I was just about ready to say these piece of crap refs refused to let the Suns win. Then 6 straight points, the Crawford go ahead with 0.8, and then the late shot at the buzzer drama. Wow!
 

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Good win.

But I do not understand the constant Igor and ariza bashing on this board.

I think both are doing just fine.

The suns problem is they are 2 or 3 nba players short. No amount or rotation changes can fix that. Especially when one of our players gets in foul trouble.
 
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Good win.

But I do not understand the constant Igor and ariza bashing on this board.

I think both are dong just fine.

The suns problem is they are 2 or 3 nba players short. No amount or rotation changes can fix that, and you can’t play booker 48 minutes.

Ariza is the 2nd highest paid player on the team behind Anderson. The difference is the Suns decided to pay Ariza that amount, which is more than he's ever made annually in his career. Has he even been the Suns 3rd or 4th best player in any game outside of this one? I'd say he was the 4th in this one, maybe. He's sucked but he hasn't gotten better since he took a few games off for whatever reason.

Igor's rotations have been questionable at best. Starting Anderson for too long, not starting TJ, and playing Chandler instead of Holmes to backup Ayton were all dumb moves and if you throw in how he's misused Bridges in the majority of games and let Canaan play big 4th quarter minutes in games that were winnable and he hasn't looked like a coach that has the team's attention or support, let alone the fans.

This is a nice win but I wouldn't credit Igor for it. If you've seen any of his postgame press conferences then you might understand why some are so down on him. He repeats the same thing about effort not being there and that's part of his job as the coach, to get his guys ready and to play with solid effort. If they don't, pull them, but he hasn't done that with anyone. Other than Anderson falling out of the rotation, he hasn't really made a move to take minutes from guys that aren't playing hard.
 

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I am still in denial with Igor. I might stay here quite a while longer.

The time-out he called mid-possession late in the third, while the Suns were rolling and in the process of executing one of their rare coherent offensive sets, was maybe the worst I have ever seen in all of my years of watching the league. The team is finally playing well and trusting each other, they have the Bucks on their heels, and Kokoskov destroys all of their confidence and momentum. Then, as if to reinforce his point, he went to the Suck Lineup one possession later, to make sure that the team felt adequately punished for their good play.

It's the kind of passive-aggressive cruelty you expect from a sadist with an addiction problem, not a professional coach allegedly interested in nurturing the growth of a young team. Once the competent Suns players got back on the floor, they let Crawford coach and ignored the desperate moron in the suit. Maybe they learned something, but we can sure as hell bet the coach didn't.
 

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It's the kind of passive-aggressive cruelty you expect from a sadist with an addiction problem, not a professional coach allegedly interested in nurturing the growth of a young team. Once the competent Suns players got back on the floor, they let Crawford coach and ignored the desperate moron in the suit. Maybe they learned something, but we can sure as hell bet the coach didn't.

If Igor learned anything it's that Crawford can coach. We'll see if he did learn if he punishes him by sitting him the majority of the next game against the Pistons, or turns to him for help. I guess we'll see.
 

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The time-out he called mid-possession late in the third, while the Suns were rolling and in the process of executing one of their rare coherent offensive sets, was maybe the worst I have ever seen in all of my years of watching the league. The team is finally playing well and trusting each other, they have the Bucks on their heels, and Kokoskov destroys all of their confidence and momentum. Then, as if to reinforce his point, he went to the Suck Lineup one possession later, to make sure that the team felt adequately punished for their good play.

It's the kind of passive-aggressive cruelty you expect from a sadist with an addiction problem, not a professional coach allegedly interested in nurturing the growth of a young team. Once the competent Suns players got back on the floor, they let Crawford coach and ignored the desperate moron in the suit. Maybe they learned something, but we can sure as hell bet the coach didn't.

first, this post is savagely funny.

second, don't even get me started on the third quarter timeout that he called because now I'll match yours with the timeout he DIDN'T call that he should have. He just let the Bucks go on a blistering 12-0 run to end the third standing there with his pud in his hands. Ouch and I were incredulous... a timeout shoulda been called after they went 4-0 and it was on two pathetically easy layups. That's when a Pop calls a timeout. Stop a run before it starts. I mean, even when they cut it to 5, I thought for sure after a 7-0 run he'd do something to stop the mo. Nope. Just sat there and did nothing.

Also, as smart as it was for Crawford to literally take himself out of the game for a defensive switch there at the end... why didn't Koko already think of that?

Look, we all know this team was awful last year... but this team has looked even worse and it just shouldn't. Booker is Booker, they added a 16/10 guy at C, Holmes is a nice big off the bench, Warren is a legit weapon anywhere on the court and Bridges brings some D and extended shooting last year's team didn't have. There's no way they should be as awful as last season with those added elements to the team and yet until now, Holmes and Bridges have had to fight scratch and claw their way into getting any time. And that's all the coaches decision, which until this point, has been highly questionable.
 
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Ariza is the 2nd highest paid player on the team behind Anderson. The difference is the Suns decided to pay Ariza that amount, which is more than he's ever made annually in his career. Has he even been the Suns 3rd or 4th best player in any game outside of this one? I'd say he was the 4th in this one, maybe. He's sucked but he hasn't gotten better since he took a few games off for whatever reason.

Igor's rotations have been questionable at best. Starting Anderson for too long, not starting TJ, and playing Chandler instead of Holmes to backup Ayton were all dumb moves and if you throw in how he's misused Bridges in the majority of games and let Canaan play big 4th quarter minutes in games that were winnable and he hasn't looked like a coach that has the team's attention or support, let alone the fans.

This is a nice win but I wouldn't credit Igor for it. If you've seen any of his postgame press conferences then you might understand why some are so down on him. He repeats the same thing about effort not being there and that's part of his job as the coach, to get his guys ready and to play with solid effort. If they don't, pull them, but he hasn't done that with anyone. Other than Anderson falling out of the rotation, he hasn't really made a move to take minutes from guys that aren't playing hard.

I really think you are not realizing these players are actually humans with feelings that have to be managed.

Anderson has a history of success in the nba, and he had to be given a shot over a rookie till he proved a failure and a benching was justified.

Ariza has played much better this road trip. I think the personal problems was affecting his play.

But I think your real problem is you have unrealistic expectations for him. I don’t care how much he is being paid he is just a 3 and d role player, and you should only expect play similar to his history.

As far as Igor’s reluctance to use point book, booker does not want to play point guard. Why do you think he is liking Rozier’s tweets.

He is playing Canaan to give booker a break from constantly having to bring the ball up. I don’t care what anyone says he is our best pg right now, and if you actually want to win he should get time over Okobo.

I am seeing consistent progress. Our turnover problem seems solved, the fast break d is much better, and the offense has been getting much better lately.

If nothing was changing for the better your gripes would be justified, but they are. And Rome wasn’t built in a day.
 

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I think we saw tonight that with an NBA level point guard and head coach, this team can be good. I also think that the end result notwithstanding, we also saw just how much the lack of an NBA level point guard and head coach is holding the team back.
 

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Crawford deserved that. His leadership has been a positive for this team. I thought the coolest moment tonight was when he took himself out of the game for bridges in a defensive situation. No not Igor, he made the sub himself. That's unselfish team basketball

Indeed. And it showed just how useless Igor is. The players are better off coaching themselves.
 
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