Suns draft kendall marshall at #13

[Arizona's Finest]

10 year starter but no All Star is what I see.

Get ready for bottoms out next year when our leading scorer will be Jared Dudley at 12 ppg!!!!

Suns are the Miami Dolphins of the NBA. Franchise holding onto its antiquated "jewel franchise" status that never takes the big swing, always goes vanilla, and seems to be vacillating back and forth between making the right basketball decision and the right P.R. decision.

Dear god I wish Bob Sarver would sell back to JC. Sounds like Sterns is pushing for JC to get back into the ownership fold somewhere and I pray he rekindles his fire in Phoenix.

Till then I have the Heat to keep me entertained. Next season will be the cellar dweller year everyone has been pining for the last 4 years. Lets just hope that the Suns dont have the worst record but somehow end up with the 3rd pick in a 2 man draft.

 

[mojorizen7]

PG defense is one of the least impactful things in basketball since even the PGs that are perceived as good defenders barely if at all do better against the top PGs in the league.

Maybe if your 2guard is a rock defensively....but i'm still not buying this take.

The great teams can strongly defend at the point of attack(perimeter), and at the rim. If your guards are weak,it puts too much pressure over the course of a game on the frontcourt to cover, and subsequently are usually late to react to their own assignments.

I agree that you cant expect even the strongest defensive guards to shut down the league's best offensive guards consistently...but the difference between a Rondo and a Nash does matter,because if your guys cant stay in front of anybody,or track the ball then its detrimental to everyone else on the floor. Disrupting what the other team wants to do on offense should always be the #1 priority IMO(and that usually starts with the opposition's PG). You cant do that with a weak defensive matchup at guard.

 

[Mainstreet]

Worst case scenario the Suns drafted a quality back-up PG. Something the Suns have been trying to do since Nash arrived. Even if Nash leaves there are a number of FA PGs who can start. At least for the present, getting a quality back-up PG should not be minimized.

 

[mojorizen7]

Worst case scenario the Suns drafted a quality back-up PG. Something the Suns have been trying to do since Nash arrived. Even if Nash leaves there are a number of FA PGs who can start. At least for the present, getting a quality back-up PG should not be minimized.

Who do you like thats out there Mainstreet?

 

[Mainstreet]

Who do you like thats out there Mainstreet?

George Hill, Raymond Felton, Goran Dragic and Ramon Sessions among others. There are more but I can't find my list.

 

[sunsfan88]

Jonny Flynn, Jeremy Lin etc.

 

[sunsfan88]

Worst case scenario the Suns drafted a quality back-up PG. Something the Suns have been trying to do since Nash arrived. Even if Nash leaves there are a number of FA PGs who can start. At least for the present, getting a quality back-up PG should not be minimized.

Drafting a backup in the lottery isn't exactly a good thing.

Would have preferred Moe Harkless, Evan Fournier, PJ3 over Marshall cause all of them would start day 1 on this team.

 

[slinslin]

Would have preferred Moe Harkless, Evan Fournier, PJ3 over Marshall cause all of them would start day 1 on this team.

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[mojorizen7]

George Hill, Raymond Felton, Goran Dragic and Ramon Sessions among others. There are more but I can't find my list.

Hill would be ok. You know i'd love to see Dragic back in a Suns uniform,but i doubt he's going to have PHX very high on his list of destinations.

 

[slinslin]

We have no need for Goran anymore anyway or for any of those other expensive free agent PGs. If Nash leaves I highly doubt that the Suns want Brooks on this team around Marshall so they will probably go for another cheap PG ala Johnny Flynn with some potential but unlikely to block Marshalls development. I really don't like the though of having players to mentor someone. Young players develop by playing and making mistakes not by sitting on the bench and watching someone else play.

Marshall will be a starting PG in this league even if it is just as a role player top 20 guy at his position. He will be solid floor general with great control of the offense. I'd rather have that than a PG that plays wild and gets out of control easily.

Marshall isn't spectacular except for some of his passing but he is fundamentally sound, dedicated, leader and a floor general.

Pair Marshall with an elite SG and we will have a backcourt for the future.

You can't have star players at all positions and the Suns strategy in the past with big name PGs has not lead them anywhere. Start the new era with a solid PG and star players at other positions.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Drafting a backup in the lottery isn't exactly a good thing.

Would have preferred Moe Harkless, Evan Fournier, PJ3 over Marshall cause all of them would start day 1 on this team.

Marshall was a better pick than all of those. Yikes.

 

[JCSunsfan]

We have no need for Goran anymore anyway or for any of those other expensive free agent PGs. If Nash leaves I highly doubt that the Suns want Brooks on this team around Marshall so they will probably go for another cheap PG ala Johnny Flynn with some potential but unlikely to block Marshalls development. I really don't like the though of having players to mentor someone. Young players develop by playing and making mistakes not by sitting on the bench and watching someone else play.

Marshall will be a starting PG in this league even if it is just as a role player top 20 guy at his position. He will be solid floor general with great control of the offense. I'd rather have that than a PG that plays wild and gets out of control easily.

Marshall isn't spectacular except for some of his passing but he is fundamentally sound, dedicated, leader and a floor general.

Pair Marshall with an elite SG and we will have a backcourt for the future.

You can't have star players at all positions and the Suns strategy in the past with big name PGs has not lead them anywhere. Start the new era with a solid PG and star players at other positions.

Yes. The strategy this summer should be to let Nash go. Sign Brooks or Telfair or both for cheap. Use cap space to sign or trade for a young offensive oriented player at the 2 or 3.

I would not mind trading Gortat, but only for a package that includes a player that has star potential (or a picks that could get us one). Would love to find a way to get MKG. I think he would be a great match with Marshall.

 

[az jam]

I think Marshall can be a quality PG for the Suns. Its rebuilding time and he is the start. We need low lottery picks (top 5) for the next two years to perhaps be a playoff team in the 2014/2015 season. Some luck will help.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Just for some perspective:

95-96: nash averaged 6.0 assists in 33mpg at Santa Clara
11-12: marshall averaged 9.8 assists in 33mpg at NC
93-94: jason kidd averaged 9.1 assists in 35mpg at Cal
98-99: andre miller averaged 5.6 assists in 32mpg at Utah

 

[slinslin]

Just for some perspective:

95-96: nash averaged 6.0 assists in 33mpg at Santa Clara
11-12: marshall averaged 9.8 assists in 33mpg at NC
93-94: jason kidd averaged 9.1 assists in 35mpg at Cal
98-99: andre miller averaged 5.6 assists in 32mpg at Utah

UNC played at a very high pace and would have had 5 first round picks had McAdoo declared. I like Marshall but that statistic doesn't tell me anything about how good he will be in comparison.

Think he will end up having a career similar to Mark Jackson / Andre Miller, can be a top 15 PG in the league for a long time and one of the best to run a high tempo team.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Just for some perspective:

95-96: nash averaged 6.0 assists in 33mpg at Santa Clara
11-12: marshall averaged 9.8 assists in 33mpg at NC
93-94: jason kidd averaged 9.1 assists in 35mpg at Cal
98-99: andre miller averaged 5.6 assists in 32mpg at Utah

Marshall did not come from a small school. He played against the best competition out there. Critics talk about footspeed etc, but he had to be fast enough to compete on the NCAA level. His shooting is actually decent at 47% from the field and 35% from 3pt. He just hardly ever shot. Those percentages are similar to players in the draft considered great shooters.

 

[Covert Rain]

Marshall did not come from a small school. He played against the best competition out there. Critics talk about footspeed etc, but he had to be fast enough to compete on the NCAA level. His shooting is actually decent at 47% from the field and 35% from 3pt. He just hardly ever shot. Those percentages are similar to players in the draft considered great shooters.

He shot 43% this last season though which is disturbing according to draft express.

he shot a poor 43% on 2-pointers last season, the lowest rate of any player in our top-100 rankings.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz1zCLIKVAM
http://www.draftexpress.com

Again, I really hope he is just underdeveloped in that area. I also remember seeing a break down of his shot selection somewhere where out of his overall shot selection he shot something like 34% on jump shots and the rest of his shots were in the lane which brought up his overall percentage.

With his questionable speed he is not going to get in the lane as much and will have to shoot more jump shots which is scary. The Suns being able to fix his mechanics to allow him to keep teams "honest" is going to be key IMO.
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[DWKB]

UNC played at a very high pace and would have had 5 first round picks had McAdoo declared. I like Marshall but that statistic doesn't tell me anything about how good he will be in comparison.

Think he will end up having a career similar to Mark Jackson / Andre Miller, can be a top 15 PG in the league for a long time and one of the best to run a high tempo team.

I think he will always be a defensive liability though. My one complaint about the Suns is the recent propensity to ignore defense.

Marshall can run a press offense, but I don't see him contributing as much in the NBA when he will be forced into a half court offense and required to guard his man.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Quit finding reasons to not like this dude. Hes 10x more promising than *****, Lopez, and the dude we traded to Orlando

 

[JCSunsfan]

He shot 43% this last season though which is disturbing according to draft express.

he shot a poor 43% on 2-pointers last season, the lowest rate of any player in our top-100 rankings.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz1zCLIKVAM
http://www.draftexpress.com

Again, I really hope he is just underdeveloped in that area. I also remember seeing a break down of his shot selection somewhere where out of his overall shot selection he shot something like 34% on jump shots and the rest of his shots were in the lane which brought up his overall percentage.

With his questionable speed he is not going to get in the lane as much and will have to shoot more jump shots which is scary. The Suns being able to fix his mechanics to allow him to keep teams "honest" is going to be key IMO.
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NOt sure about those stats. Espn has him shooting .467 from the field overall last year and .354 from the 3. I think those are his freshman year stats. He shot .696 from the ft. Those are decent numbers for a guard.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51383/kendall-marshall

Just checked your link. DX has the same stats as espn.

 

[slinslin]

Just looking at his form it's fine. He just did not shoot much and wasn't asked to so that part of his game is not developed. I am sure thousands of repetitions will greatly improve his shooting throughout the years.
He will never be Steve Nash but I don't think he will be nearly as bad as Kidd was or Miller/Rondo.

 

[Covert Rain]

Quit finding reasons to not like this dude. Hes 10x more promising than *****, Lopez, and the dude we traded to Orlando

What does that mean? I don't think people need to "find reasons". What are we suppose to do....pretend he is a top 5 player?

People are not making up his weaknesses. People are talking to scouting reports and his shortcomings as a player. I think people are evaluating him exactly as a person taken outside the top 5 to 10 players should be evaluated.

Nobody has a personal vendetta against him. LOL.

We are not slinslin evaluating Gortat.

 

[slinslin]

He was the BPA at #13. I had him as the best PG in the draft personally. I think Lillard has high bust potential and I think Marshall will almost definitely reach his ceiling.

I actually am happy to have Marshall, Dudley and Morris. I think those are 3 good kids to have on the team while rebuilding. High character guys and apparently love the city. Marshall has leadership skills and works hard and is the prototype floor general.

Think for team chemistry reasons Marshall unselfishness and ball distribbution will be extremely valueable while developing other young guys in the future. Imagine we had Westbrook who is obviously a great player but it would be hard to incorporate someone like Shabazz Muhammad when you have a score first ballhog PG.

 

[JCSunsfan]

To put it in perspective,

Bradley Beal shot .445 overall and .339 from the 2. His ft percentage was .769.
Deon Waiters shot .476 overall and .363 from 3. Ft .729
Kendall Marshall shot. 467 overall and .354 from 3. ft .696

Now I am not saying that Marshall is as good a shooter as these guys. He did not shoot nearly as much and had much more open looks when he did shoot. BUT THAT IS WHAT A GOOD PG IS SUPPOSED TO DO, GET HIGH PERCENTAGE SHOTS FOR EVERYONE AROUND HIM.

 

[95pro]

luckily his shooting is one thing that can be fixed and work on.

foot speed and athleticism, thats something else. but one thing he's blessed with is vision. that's something very few have.