Suns FO Should be Embarrassed

[Divide Et Impera]

Whatever. Just go with it.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

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Happy?

 

[Folster]

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Happy?

Yes. The truth hurts enough; no need to pile on with a bigger kick in the balls, that wasn't even possible.

That was a great post by Chris though. Someone should send it to Sarver.

The biggest mistake made by the Suns during that era was the undervaluing of draft picks, or the overvaluing of free agency. In 2004 the Suns sold the #7 pick so they could sign Q Rich. A year later they needed to include the #21 pick to trade Q Rich's contract, but they did get KT in return. In 2006 we had to use the #21 to dump Brian Grant's paltry salary and we sold the #27 so we could sign Marcus Banks in free agency. In 2008 we had to include 2 future 1st rounders to get someone to absorb KT's contract.

The lesson is keep your picks and be careful in free agency.

 

[az jam]

The lesson is keep your picks and be careful in free agency.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand the simple logic of your statement. Somehow the Sarver Suns just don't get it.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand the simple logic of your statement. Somehow the Sarver Suns just don't get it.

Oh, he gets it more than any other owner. He views draft picks as liabilities and negative cash flows. If he trades picks for cash, he has acquired liquid assets and created positive cash flow. That's how he does it....

 

[az jam]

Oh, he gets it more than any other owner. He views draft picks as liabilities and negative cash flows. If he trades picks for cash, he has acquired liquid assets and created positive cash flow. That's how he does it....

You are getting me more depressed because you speak the reality of the Sarver management philosophy.

 

[Superbone]

The way the Suns are going they will be lucky to win 40 games next season.

Yeah, we might really appreciate a 40-42 season in a couple years from now the way Sarver is running the franchise into the ground.

 

[mojorizen7]

Yeah, we might really appreciate a 40-42 season in a couple years from now the way Sarver is running the franchise into the ground.

I would appreciate a 40-42 season if the focal point wasnt a 38 year old PG who is 5 years removed from his MVP season.

 

[JCSunsfan]

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand the simple logic of your statement. Somehow the Sarver Suns just don't get it.

Honestly though, wasn't this DAntoni as much or more than Sarver. If a coach say that he doesn't develop rookies and he won't play rookies, but he really could use so and so as a free agent, is he going to draft rookies anyway? If Sarver has any sense at all, he is going to trust he bball people because he is not a bball guy.

In the end, and I am not one who really likes Sarver, DAntoni is at the root of alot of this mess.

 

[Mainstreet]

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand the simple logic of your statement. Somehow the Sarver Suns just don't get it.

I've always had in the back of my mind that Sarver looked at how JC used two draft picks to move Gugliotta's contract (to clean up the books prior to selling the franchise) and thought this is how the NBA is run... without considering the Suns previous history of using mostly late draft picks to acquire quality players.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Honestly though, wasn't this DAntoni as much or more than Sarver. If a coach say that he doesn't develop rookies and he won't play rookies, but he really could use so and so as a free agent, is he going to draft rookies anyway? If Sarver has any sense at all, he is going to trust he bball people because he is not a bball guy.

In the end, and I am not one who really likes Sarver, DAntoni is at the root of alot of this mess.

Agreed. It's possible that it was all Sarver and Mike was just doing and saying what he needed in order to please his boss but I find that highly unlikely. I think the next couple of drafts will tell us just how bad off we're going to be with Sarver as owner. I'm hoping it's nowhere near as bad as most people here believe.

Steve

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Man Sarver sucks. Get him the hell out of Dodge.

 

[Superbone]

Agreed. It's possible that it was all Sarver and Mike was just doing and saying what he needed in order to please his boss but I find that highly unlikely. I think the next couple of drafts will tell us just how bad off we're going to be with Sarver as owner. I'm hoping it's nowhere near as bad as most people here believe.

Steve

How do you explain this last off-season?

 

[Matt L]

and how do you explain trading a pick for aaron brooks?

 

[AzStevenCal]

How do you explain this last off-season?

Well, it's the only recent off-season that really makes sense except for failing to trade Nash. We didn't really have a front office when most of the actions took place and it looks to me like they just tried to acquire assets without regard to fit. Then, once the season began, they tried to make the moves necessary to make this team competitive. Keep in mind that I wish they HADN"T tried to make this team competitive but that's a different story.

I think it's possible that the consensus opinion here is correct, Sarver really is the devil. He might be ruled by nothing more than greed as many here suggest. But, I'm just not completely convinced. As bad as some of our decisions have been (and many of them have been horrible), it seems to me that he has been willing to spend money. I'm hoping that the draft-selling mistakes of the past have been a learning process for him and that he has gathered together a management team that can start positioning us for future success. I'm not confident this is the case, merely hopeful.

I know that most people here want to keep judging Sarver by the mistakes of the past and that is certainly understandable - I just choose to see a glimmer of light in the darkness.

Steve

 

[Irish]

Well, it's the only recent off-season that really makes sense except for failing to trade Nash. We didn't really have a front office when most of the actions took place and it looks to me like they just tried to acquire assets without regard to fit. Then, once the season began, they tried to make the moves necessary to make this team competitive. Keep in mind that I wish they HADN"T tried to make this team competitive but that's a different story.

I think it's possible that the consensus opinion here is correct, Sarver really is the devil. He might be ruled by nothing more than greed as many here suggest. But, I'm just not completely convinced. As bad as some of our decisions have been (and many of them have been horrible), it seems to me that he has been willing to spend money. I'm hoping that the draft-selling mistakes of the past have been a learning process for him and that he has gathered together a management team that can start positioning us for future success. I'm not confident this is the case, merely hopeful.

I know that most people here want to keep judging Sarver by the mistakes of the past and that is certainly understandable - I just choose to see a glimmer of light in the darkness.

Steve

I agree. I don't think Sarver is evil nor stupid. The problem is that he is NOT a basketball genius nor does he have Cuban's wealth to buy his way out of his mistakes.

I think we forget how many blunders Brian Colangelo made before jumping ship to Toronto. BC was named GM of the year in 2004-05; yet traded the #7 pick that turned out to become so poor it was used to buy out a contract in the same period the Suns did not even try to re-sign McDyss and instead signed Q Richardson for too much and did not budget enough for the JJ resigning. Yes, Sarver got the blame for that debachle, but BC created the problem by overpaying Q.

I point this out, because BC was executive of the year, but left a bunch of problems in his wake. We could also add that he did a crappy job of training Sarver.

 

[Superbone]

I know that most people here want to keep judging Sarver by the mistakes of the past and that is certainly understandable - I just choose to see a glimmer of light in the darkness.

Steve

I like your optimism. I'm usually the optimistic sort but I'm really struggling with it with Sarver these last few years.

 

[BC867]

BC was executive of the year, but left a bunch of problems in his wake. We could also add that he did a crappy job of training Sarver.

Bryan Colangelo, the Phoenix Son, was trained by an excellent promoter and a non-Championship caliber GM, and promoted by nepotism. He hadn't earned the job, he inherited it.

His overall performance as GM in Phoenix and Toronto reflect that.

Despite one award, Bryan did not have the expertise or depth of experience to train anyone to be GM, let alone a Head Coach/GM combination, who made fun of defense and said it wasn't his job to develop young players.

 

[Mainstreet]

Bryan Colangelo, the Phoenix Son, was trained by an excellent promoter and a non-Championship caliber GM, and promoted by nepotism. He hadn't earned the job, he inherited it.

His overall performance as GM in Phoenix and Toronto reflect that.

Despite one award, Bryan did not have the expertise or depth of experience to train anyone to be GM, let alone a Head Coach/GM combination, who made fun of defense and said it wasn't his job to develop young players.

JC was the CEO that took risk on the last quality player the Suns drafted... Amare. Although BC was JC's son he is better than anything the Suns have now. It was not BC's job to train the owner at least after he got his feet on the ground. See Sarvers mistakes since BC left. Sarver kept pinching pennies ultimately pushing BC out. I firmly believe the Suns traded that #7 pick at the direction of Sarver to save money and BC did his best to invest it for the future in Chicago. Although Q might have been a bad signing, one also has to look who the Suns signed with him... Steve Nash.

 

[mojorizen7]

and how do you explain trading a pick for aaron brooks?

A pick and Dragic....who tore it up in his last few games for Houston, given a starting role in an NBA offense not named Nashball.....

I'd explain it this way......a franchise being run into the ground in the name of holding on to a style of play that needs to be buried six feet under.

Sarver is running this franchise with the patience of a 10 year old addicted to his XBox.
We'll be looking for a new PG soon....(not soon enough but soon)...but we traded him to Houston....because we needed a legit backup to Nash? Nice job finally getting that guy who could play Nashball behind him.....trouble is it should have come about 5 years ago LOL.
Instead we just enabled an aging Nash some rest en route to a crappy lotto pick.

...and a promising athletic young PG who can defend resides in Houston....with another one of our picks. I'll eat crow if Dragic dissappears next season...but i doubt he will.

The SUNS will be awful until a new owner with a broader vision,cash and patience takes over.