Suns @ Heat 2-25-19

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

don't sweat it dude. I think the fake news comments was more tongue-in-cheek than really pointed.

Yeah it was just being cheeky

 

[Superbone]

All-time Suns. They were 16-66 in their inaugural season.

 

[Phrazbit]

So just to clarify the worst record ever posted by the suns was 16-66 in 1969. As of now we are 12-50. So 5 more games to avoid a tie with the worst franchise record in suns history. Common sense says that I should have known that wasn't the worst ever in the league but listened to the idiots on the radio without double checking so that's my fault. Not trying to spread false info. Anyway carry on...

Don't worry about it, the board is a lil punchy of late, I thought it was clearly an honest mistake given how obviously wrong it was.

One of the local borderline trolls loves rounding up or down by wild figures to back their argument (I think the latest was a 22 year old being 24), so fudgey math is rapidly double checked.

 

[Phrazbit]

All-time Suns. They were 16-66 in their inaugural season.

We made the playoffs the next season so... maybe we're on the right track!

Any Van Arsdales in the next draft?

 

[taz02]

We made the playoffs the next season so... maybe we're on the right track!

Any Van Arsdales in the next draft?

Yep.

 

[Hoop Head]

Zion Van Arsdale, Williamson is his mom's last name.

 

[BC867]

Any Van Arsdales in the next draft?

Just what we need. Another wing. And Dick was a vet in the expansion draft.

Many years ago, I was working a 2nd shift job, and one late night ran into Dick in a Circle K. He was buying a six-pack.

I said, "You are Dick, aren't you?" And said, "You'll never know." But I knew it wasn't Tom.

I did point out to Dick that he, his brother, Dr. J and I have one thing in common. Our birthdays are all February 22nd.

I was spoiled not having to go school, and later, work on my birthday. Until President's Day changed.

 

[Phrazbit]

@HeHasRosen I was driving around tonight listening to 98.7 and whoever was hosting a show around 8pm totally made it sound like the Suns need 5 more wins to avoid an NBA record worst season.

So, I got your back, you were foiled by bad sports talk radio.

 

[HeHasRosen]

@HeHasRosen I was driving around tonight listening to 98.7 and whoever was hosting a show around 8pm totally made it sound like the Suns need 5 more wins to avoid an NBA record worst season.

So, I got your back, you were foiled by bad sports talk radio.

Haha thank you friend. I knew I wasn't crazy. I should remember those guys don't know what they are talking about half the time.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I agree that youth is a contributing factor but keep in mind its Bookers 4th season, he is a max star level player, its TJ's 5th season and Ayton is the #1 pick. We also played Ariza big minutes. He is scoring 5 ppg more since the trade.

If we were on pace to win 30 games I'd agree with the youth excuse 100%.

I think combining youth with poor coaching, or a system that doesn't fit the players we have results in a 16 win season.

If there isn't significant improvement (winning percentage) over the last 20 games, now that we have a servicable PG, I don't see how the suns can roll the dice on being forced to fire Igor midway through next season.

Ariza didn't want to be here since he stepped foot in the facilities. It showed very much on the court with his lackluster and uninspired play.

While both Booker and Warren can be relied upon to give you some consistent scoring, neither are truly in the prime of their career's yet and neither really does the little things that help you win.

Sure Ayton is the #1 pick, but he has some serious required growth to live up to that position.

I have no doubt the system isn't well taylored to the personnel either as players have taken steps backwards under Koko instead of forward movement.

Booker is shooting worse and turning the ball over more, JJ looked very promising to end last season and struggled mightily to perform in the new offense, Ayton doesn't get nearly enough touches in spots where he has much of a chance to do anything with the ball and even Warren when he is playing looks like he really doesn't have a very defined role in the offense either.

This team ultimately has 3-5 problems that it needs to fix. They need more shooters (team is dead last in 3P% in the NBA), need more playmaking as Booker is the only player who can be relied upon in that regard and he is not a natural facilitator, need more rebounding and interior defenders, need 3-5 more solid players in or near their prime years and we need a coach that is going to get them playing to their strengths.

Of course you could argue that if this team had more vets, shooters, interior defense and playmakers than the coach would be looking a whole lot better right now. That is the only issue I have with lumping too much blame on the coach and that is that there is a laundry list of things that this team needs before we even get to the coach, but I do imagine we would be looking at least moderately better right now with a known good coach, but what does that mean 5-7 more wins right now?

 

[taz02]

Ariza didn't want to be here since he stepped foot in the facilities. It showed very much on the court with his lackluster and uninspired play.

While both Booker and Warren can be relied upon to give you some consistent scoring, neither are truly in the prime of their career's yet and neither really does the little things that help you win.

Sure Ayton is the #1 pick, but he has some serious required growth to live up to that position.

I have no doubt the system isn't well taylored to the personnel either as players have taken steps backwards under Koko instead of forward movement.

Booker is shooting worse and turning the ball over more, JJ looked very promising to end last season and struggled mightily to perform in the new offense, Ayton doesn't get nearly enough touches in spots where he has much of a chance to do anything with the ball and even Warren when he is playing looks like he really doesn't have a very defined role in the offense either.

This team ultimately has 3-5 problems that it needs to fix. They need more shooters (team is dead last in 3P% in the NBA), need more playmaking as Booker is the only player who can be relied upon in that regard and he is not a natural facilitator, need more rebounding and interior defenders, need 3-5 more solid players in or near their prime years and we need a coach that is going to get them playing to their strengths.

Of course you could argue that if this team had more vets, shooters, interior defense and playmakers than the coach would be looking a whole lot better right now. That is the only issue I have with lumping too much blame on the coach and that is that there is a laundry list of things that this team needs before we even get to the coach, but I do imagine we would be looking at least moderately better right now with a known good coach, but what does that mean 5-7 more wins right now?

Well said......My view is that we have enough talent to be better than we have been this season. I certainly don't blame Igor for all of the problems. When you are on pace to win 15-17 games there lots of problems as you point out.

Seven more wins would be a 58% increase. We would be on pace to finish with 27 wins. We would not be happy with that but it would be an improvement over last season and far better than where we are now.

If the teams talent is the sole reason for the current record we are going to need to come to terms with the idea Booker isn't the reliable "superstar" needed to win and we are more than 4-5 veteran rotation players from being able to compete.

 

[BC867]

If the teams talent is the sole reason for the current record we are going to need to come to terms with the idea Booker isn't the reliable "superstar" needed to win and we are more than 4-5 veteran rotation players from being able to compete.

I believe that if Booker had been playing his natural position of Shooting Guard (with a skilled Point Guard feeding him, as well as Ayton, etc.), Book would have had a good chance to be an All Star.

And, even more important, lead the Suns to victories. The Suns set a high goal by making him the face of the organization as a teenager, then set a tough goal of being both our best scorer and best facilitator. And giving him no help on defense in the backcourt. I still feel that Book's high rate of injuries is not a coincidence with the extra pressure put on him. Being double-teamed while trying to score and facilitate.

I don't blame Devin Booker at all for the Suns disappointing performance. I blame lazy, unskilled, cheap management who, it looks like, is content to let him be the fall guy for their incompetence. Lack of talent by management is destroying whatever talent there is on the team.