Suns hire Monty Williams

[AzStevenCal]

I suggest you go back and watch the games.

Nice try. See ya.

 

[1Sun]

Nice try. See ya.

I see you conveniently left out the rest of my post where I categorically proved my point.

Nice try, yourself.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I see you conveniently left out the rest of my post where I categorically proved my point.

Nice try, yourself.

I don't like calling people liars but I don't know what else to believe here. You clearly know that I responded to your post PRIOR to your edit and you're tying to pull a fast one here and it is not appreciated. For those coming to this conversation late, I quoted his entire post when I responded. The extra data was NOT there.

As for "categorically" proving your point, more nonsense on your part. Were we talking about Tyler Johnson's historical play as a shooting guard with the Heat or his time sharing ball handling duties with Booker on the Suns? Obviously we were talking about his time with the Suns and in that short stretch with us he averaged 4.2 assists and 1.1 turnovers. And those are very respectable numbers for a part time point guard.

 

[1Sun]

I don't like calling people liars but I don't know what else to believe here. You clearly know that I responded to your post PRIOR to your edit and you're tying to pull a fast one here and it is not appreciated. For those coming to this conversation late, I quoted his entire post when I responded. The extra data was NOT there.

As for "categorically" proving your point, more nonsense on your part. Were we talking about Tyler Johnson's historical play as a shooting guard with the Heat or his time sharing ball handling duties with Booker on the Suns? Obviously we were talking about his time with the Suns and in that short stretch with us he averaged 4.2 assists and 1.1 turnovers.

Because 4.2 assists is so stellar for a starting point guard...Now look at the number of shots he hoisted up in those games, and perhaps then you will start to see my point.

 

[1Sun]

I don't like calling people liars but I don't know what else to believe here. You clearly know that I responded to your post PRIOR to your edit and you're tying to pull a fast one here and it is not appreciated. For those coming to this conversation late, I quoted his entire post when I responded. The extra data was NOT there.

As for "categorically" proving your point, more nonsense on your part. Were we talking about Tyler Johnson's historical play as a shooting guard with the Heat or his time sharing ball handling duties with Booker on the Suns? Obviously we were talking about his time with the Suns and in that short stretch with us he averaged 4.2 assists and 1.1 turnovers. And those are very respectable numbers for a part time point guard.

Meanwhile, your response wasn't on the board when I posted the edit after looking up the stats, so how would I "clearly know" you responded prior to my edit?

 

[BC867]

If we stick with playing Tyler Johnson out of position at point guard, then our effort in hiring Monty Williams was wasted, and we might as well trade Devin Booker for a point guard, because I guarantee you Booker will not put up with more of being forced to play out of position as the de facto point guard, which is precisely what happened in all of the games with Tyler Johnson here, which I did indeed watch.

Literally any free agent who is an actual point guard, save perhaps Terry Rozier, would be a better option than Tyler Johnson.

This! It is the major consequence of not having a skilled, ready Point Guard on
the roster for next season.

With Tyler Johnson covering Point Guard, it would be too much temptation to
use Devin Booker as the de-facto facilitator again.

Which would make us weak at two positions. Point Guard and Shooting Guard.

Again!

Even if Monty is adamant, as many of us, at not having DBook cover the Point,
what choice would he have? Lazy management of the Front Office would win
out again. Despite having skills stronger than Igor, Monty would be a victim.

A car engine running on less than its 4, 6 or 8 cylinders is a deficient
engine. The Front Office needs to support the Head Coach with
pro-active management for a change and do the right thing.

 

[Shaggy]

Why was he fired from the pelicans? Read where he hand a winning season and made the playoffs, then was fired.

 

[JerkFace]

Why was he fired from the pelicans? Read where he hand a winning season and made the playoffs, then was fired.

It was a similar situation to Dwayne Casey and the Toronto Raptors last year. They felt he had taken them as far as he could but that they needed someone else to get them over the hump.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

It was a similar situation to Dwayne Casey and the Toronto Raptors last year. They felt he had taken them as far as he could but that they needed someone else to get them over the hump.

The Doug Collins conundrum.

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[Hoop Head]

Why was he fired from the pelicans? Read where he hand a winning season and made the playoffs, then was fired.

It was a similar situation to Dwayne Casey and the Toronto Raptors last year. They felt he had taken them as far as he could but that they needed someone else to get them over the hump.

In addition to replacing him in an attempt to get over the hump, they had a new owner that came in a year or two before Monty was fired. That owner didn't hire Del Demps or Monty and wanted to get his own guys in there. Monty and the staff were told to make the playoffs to be brought back and they did. Despite making the playoffs though they decided to can Monty anyways. It was actually an unexpected firing. I found this summary of events from when they were going down.

Here's that piece from a Pelicans fan site.

I can see why he wanted to meet with Sarver and be assured that Sarver would give him space because he was dealt a bad hand once, he didn't want to go through something similar again. I'm a little curious now if Sarver pushed for that 2nd meeting or if it was Monty who did. Based on what I know now, I'd say it was mutual at the least. I think the Sarver bashing for that interview he took part in was a bit premature and unwarranted since most suspected he'd screw things up. He obviously didn't screw things up this time and he might not have been the one to call for the meeting either. I'll give Sarver a pass on that meeting, I don't think that should be held against him or brought up down the line in his list of faults.

 

[1Sun]

This! It is the major consequence of not having a skilled, ready Point Guard on
the roster for next season.

With Tyler Johnson covering Point Guard, it would be too much temptation to
use Devin Booker as the de-facto facilitator again.

Which would make us weak at two positions. Point Guard and Shooting Guard.

Again!

Even if Monty is adamant, as many of us, at not having DBook cover the Point,
what choice would he have? Lazy management of the Front Office would win
out again. Despite having skills stronger than Igor, Monty would be a victim.

A car engine running on less than its 4, 6 or 8 cylinders is a deficient
engine. The Front Office needs to support the Head Coach with
pro-active management for a change and do the right thing.

Doesn't appear that anyone is listening. People on this board continue foolishly to propose sticking with Tyler Johnson as the starting "point guard".

 

[Mainstreet]

Doesn't appear that anyone is listening. People on this board continue foolishly to propose sticking with Tyler Johnson as the starting "point guard".

This is not what most fans are saying as a stand alone position.

If the Suns are lucky enough to draft Morant, he is the point guard of the future. As such the Suns only need a transition player to keep the spot warm until he is ready.

On the plus side, Tyler is already on the roster, has shown he can play as a combo guard and he is an expiring contract next season.

If the Suns do not draft Morant, then it's another matter.

 

[BC867]

This is not what most fans are saying as a stand alone position.

If the Suns are lucky enough to draft Morant, he is the point guard of the future. As such the Suns only need a transition player to keep the spot warm until he is ready.

On the plus side, Tyler is already on the roster, has shown he can play as a combo guard and he is an expiring contract next season.

If the Suns do not draft Morant, then it's another matter.

Again, that doesn't address the point. That Booker becomes the de-facto Point Guard with a sub-par Point Guard on the court.

Book may still put up stats, but it wears him down and detracts from becoming an All Star level Shooting Guard.

Devin Booker is not James Harden, no matter how much we'd hope.

 

[Mainstreet]

Again, that doesn't address the point. That Booker becomes the de-facto Point Guard with a sub-par Point Guard on the court.

Book may still put up stats, but it wears him down and detracts from becoming an All Star level Shooting Guard.

Devin Booker is not James Harden, no matter how much we'd hope.

Booker will always be a distributor to some extent even if the Suns add a point guard.

I don't think Tyler Johnson and Ja Morant are chopped liver playing besides Booker.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Again, that doesn't address the point. That Booker becomes the de-facto Point Guard with a sub-par Point Guard on the court.

Book may still put up stats, but it wears him down and detracts from becoming an All Star level Shooting Guard.

Devin Booker is not James Harden, no matter how much we'd hope.

I agree, I don't think he'll ever be James Harden but I don't think you're ever going to see him as just a point guard either. He will always play both positions for us and while I agree he was worn down at times having to do too much, IMO it was more because he didn't have an effective running mate.

Pair him with a good combo guard and I'll be happy and so will Booker. Sure, I'd love to have the next Steve Nash out there but I'm quite positive that even Steve Nash would be playing more like a combo guard in today's game. As I've mentioned many times, the refs give breaks to the perimeter shooters and ball handlers that they don't extend to any other position, it would be shortsighted to not allow Booker to benefit from that protection.

 

[AzStevenCal]

This is not what most fans are saying as a stand alone position.

If the Suns are lucky enough to draft Morant, he is the point guard of the future. As such the Suns only need a transition player to keep the spot warm until he is ready.

On the plus side, Tyler is already on the roster, has shown he can play as a combo guard and he is an expiring contract next season.

If the Suns do not draft Morant, then it's another matter.

Yeah, despite what the other person is suggesting, there isn't a poster here yelling "yay, we have our starting point guard now". We all know we'd like a better starting point guard than Tyler but most of us would rather ride with him than give up assets to acquire a marginal upgrade.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah, despite what the other person is suggesting, there isn't a poster here yelling "yay, we have our starting point guard now". We all know we'd like a better starting point guard than Tyler but most of us would rather ride with him than give up assets to acquire a marginal upgrade.

This is very true. There are other positions on the team to consider like Oubre and a power forward.

I wouldn't mind adding another free agent point guard like Tyus Jones to bolster the position.

 

[AzStevenCal]

This is very true. There are other positions on the team to consider like Oubre and a power forward.

I wouldn't mind adding another free agent point guard like Tyus Jones to bolster the position.

I know it's too much to hope for but I've got fingers crossed. Hopefully we can draft Zion and then use Warren, the Milwaukee pick and a couple of future firsts to find our PG of the future whether it's a rookie, an established veteran or a KJ in the making. I don't really like any of the free agents that are likely to be available to us.

 

[Mainstreet]

I know it's too much to hope for but I've got fingers crossed. Hopefully we can draft Zion and then use Warren, the Milwaukee pick and a couple of future firsts to find our PG of the future whether it's a rookie, an established veteran or a KJ in the making. I don't really like any of the free agents that are likely to be available to us.

We are there with an established point guard and Zion as far as I'm concerned. So yes, let's do what we have to do.

 

[Yuma]

The worst is to slide down to 6th or 7th. No one will want to trade up. If we go for a position of need there, we will probably draft a guy too high. If we draft best available, we are probably getting a SF.

 

[Superbone]

The worst is to slide down to 6th or 7th. No one will want to trade up. If we go for a position of need there, we will probably draft a guy too high. If we draft best available, we are probably getting a SF.

No! No more SFs!

 

[Mainstreet]

The worst is to slide down to 6th or 7th. No one will want to trade up. If we go for a position of need there, we will probably draft a guy too high. If we draft best available, we are probably getting a SF.

This might make a good thread. I'm starting to like Colby White at this position.

 

[1Sun]

This is not what most fans are saying as a stand alone position.

If the Suns are lucky enough to draft Morant, he is the point guard of the future. As such the Suns only need a transition player to keep the spot warm until he is ready.

On the plus side, Tyler is already on the roster, has shown he can play as a combo guard and he is an expiring contract next season.

If the Suns do not draft Morant, then it's another matter.

Just remember that Morant or not, there IS NO FUTURE, especially for the point guard of the future, if we do not have a point guard of the present. Case in point: Okobo and Melton regressing horribly last year. While I think Igor was a significant part of that, I also think a significant part of that was not having a point guard on the roster to serve as a role model and from whom they could learn how to be an NBA point guard. Leave Ja Morant in that situation, and Monty Williams or not, you will have Ja Morant reverting to the playground ball he often reverted to at Murray State. That would just about kill any chance of this team developing into anything other than what we have witnessed for almost the past decade.

 

[Yuma]

This might make a good thread. I'm starting to like Colby White at this position.

I have been liking this pick for months! I am thinking he may go higher than 6 or 7. There may be a fast riser that knocks him down a notch, though.

 

[1Sun]

Booker will always be a distributor to some extent even if the Suns add a point guard.

I don't think Tyler Johnson and Ja Morant are chopped liver playing besides Booker.

Tyler Johnson is and always will be, as we saw last season, and Ja Morant will be for at least a year or two, especially if there is no veteran point guard on the roster to set an example for him.