Suns in talks to acquire Sixers' Salmons

[BillsCarnage]

He did, but did you hear the details of his original "rumor" from last week? The Suns were working on a deal w/ Philly to send the KT for Salmons and..... Hunter. That deal broke down and then the Salmons/TE deal came about.

 

[JWF]

Yeah I heard about that deal last week.

If dantoni can swing this deal i will feel better about his job this offseason....I guess im mostly indifferent at this point, with some small concerns.

It just seemed getting no draft/player compensation for a 1st round pick , and totally miscalculating TT's demands were errors. I know people want to take the blame off of sarver and dantoni for the TT thing, but how could they not know he was going to ask for 20+ million over 4 years? Not to mention they nearly promised his return.

Again, if we can bring in a quality player with the money saved from the draft, then i will change my opinion. But until they do that, im not giving them the pass.

 

[Mainstreet]

He did, but did you hear the details of his original "rumor" from last week? The Suns were working on a deal w/ Philly to send the KT for Salmons and..... Hunter. That deal broke down and then the Salmons/TE deal came about.

Maybe the Suns revive the original deal with the worst of their three first round picks next season.

It certainly would free up some money for the next two seasons to get Diaw and Barbosa signed. I know their extension money, if signed, will not kick in this coming season.

I know a lot of KT supporters and Hunter detractors would be upset, but I like the idea and I think it would give the Suns more money to spend this season. The Suns will have to lose salary somewhere after this coming season.

 

[F-Dog]

The problem isn't what Philly is going to get--Toronto isn't planning to offer the Sixers anything. The problem is what Salmons is going to get.

If the Raptors are offering more than $3m/yr, then the Suns should already be looking for other options. Salmons isn't good enough to be worth the risk that the Suns will have to make wholesale changes next summer because of his contract.

 

[Chaplin]

Maybe the Suns revive the original deal with the worst of their three first round picks next season.

It certainly would free up some money for the next two seasons to get Diaw and Barbosa signed. I know their extension money, if signed, will not kick in this coming season.

I know a lot of KT supporters and Hunter detractors would be upset, but I like the idea and I think it would give the Suns more money to spend this season. The Suns will have to lose salary somewhere after this coming season.

Replacing KT with Steven Hunter is the worst idea for this franchise if they want to win a title. Period.

 

[George O'Brien]

I have been saying for months that House got bumped due to his defense (size as well as effort). He couldn't play with Leandro and couldn't play with Nash.

BTW, I'd be surprised if Salmon's agent wasn't using the Suns to try to get a better deal. That's what he's paid for. However, I'm not sure Salmon is high on most GM's list.

 

[Joe Mama]

It just seemed getting no draft/player compensation for a 1st round pick , and totally miscalculating TT's demands were errors. I know people want to take the blame off of sarver and dantoni for the TT thing, but how could they not know he was going to ask for 20+ million over 4 years? Not to mention they nearly promised his return.

Again, if we can bring in a quality player with the money saved from the draft, then i will change my opinion. But until they do that, im not giving them the pass.

The Phoenix Suns got $3 million for that first-round draft pick. That's hardly "nothing". I also don't think they were caught by surprise by the contract Tim Thomas got from the Clippers. $12 million over three years was the most they were willing to give him. hell, he gave them a chance to get him at a discount and they passed.

Joe

 

[Errntknght]

George,

I have been saying for months that House got bumped due to his defense

Why would you say such a thing even once? Eddie lost PT as his shooting dropped off. Its not like he earned his PT early on as an ace defender and then quit or something.

He got more credit than he deserved for it but the truth is that early in the year Eddie repeatedly gave the Suns scoring when the rest of the team was cold. Thats what kept his minutes up and when he wasn't able to do it then they dropped off.

Of course, if he'd have been a first class defender or if he'd been a terrific point then he'd have still been contributing even when not shooting well, so he'd have still gotten the minutes.

 

[George O'Brien]

George,

Why would you say such a thing even once? Eddie lost PT as his shooting dropped off. Its not like he earned his PT early on as an ace defender and then quit or something.

He got more credit than he deserved for it but the truth is that early in the year Eddie repeatedly gave the Suns scoring when the rest of the team was cold. Thats what kept his minutes up and when he wasn't able to do it then they dropped off.

Of course, if he'd have been a first class defender or if he'd been a terrific point then he'd have still been contributing even when not shooting well, so he'd have still gotten the minutes.

I wish I had stats for when Eddie was in the lineup with Nash versus with Leandro. Eddie was great coming off screens and Nash seemed to find him every time. Eddie's problem was that he's not a good "stop and pop" shooter, which is the role he ended up with.

In any case, even when he was shooting well, the Suns struggled. Leandro isn't that big and Eddie is smaller and slower.

 

[playstation]

I wish I had stats for when Eddie was in the lineup with Nash versus with Leandro. Eddie was great coming off screens and Nash seemed to find him every time. Eddie's problem was that he's not a good "stop and pop" shooter, which is the role he ended up with.

In any case, even when he was shooting well, the Suns struggled. Leandro isn't that big and Eddie is smaller and slower.

c'mon, at least do your research before posting:

http://www.82games.com/0506/0506PHO2.HTM

 

[Errntknght]

George, "Eddie's problem was that he's not a good "stop and pop" shooter"

Where do you get your ideas from? First it was his defense and now this. Eddie's a very good stop and pop shooter. You should have watched some the early games - Eddie was pulling up and popping great on the break, often from 3 pt range.

I'd be perfectly willing to concede that Eddie shot better when Nash was on the floor but what does that prove - so did everyone else on the team.

From my observation I'd say that what outside thing that affected Eddie's shooting was how tightly he was guarded. Its true for almost all players but it seemed to me that Eddie was bothered more than most players. And once he started getting some press the opponents paid a lot more attention to him. He became the no. 1 target to pick up on the break, whenever he came into the game. There went those wide open stop and pops he'd been getting.

 

[Evil Ash]

More of the same from the Republic but a few new details released

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/0712suns0712.html

Like that deal with James Jones, Bryan Colangelo is involved. This time, Colangelo is the adversary's general manager. His Toronto Raptors are waiting along with the Suns on Salmons' decision between the two.

For Phoenix to get Salmons as a restricted free agent, Philadelphia would re-sign him to a five-year, $22 million contract and send him to the Suns for a second-round pick and Phoenix's $3.6 million trade exception. A sign-and-trade deal can add $100,000, allowing Salmons' deal to start at $3.7 million. That would make him Phoenix's sixth highest paid player.

It was enough for Salmons to be settled Sunday on the Suns, but he has wavered since then.

He is torn between Phoenix's contender status and the opportunity in Toronto, where Colangelo is crafting a team that will play in the Suns' image with about $15 million to work with under the salary cap. The Raptors are offering more money and potential for a starting job.

So more of the waiting game. Yippee!!

 

[F-Dog]

For Phoenix to get Salmons as a restricted free agent, Philadelphia would re-sign him to a five-year, $22 million contract and send him to the Suns for a second-round pick and Phoenix's $3.6 million trade exception. A sign-and-trade deal can add $100,000, allowing Salmons' deal to start at $3.7 million. That would make him Phoenix's sixth highest paid player.

The Suns must like Salmons better than they like JR. Better than Tim Thomas, too...

 

[playstation]

that's is absolutely frickin hilarious. TT would have signed for that much. i'd rather have tim...i think...

i don't know why they offered 5 years though. does this mean leandro is out if john is in? can't have 2 backcourt bench guys making that kind of scratch.

 

[F-Dog]

i don't know why they offered 5 years though. does this mean leandro is out if john is in? can't have 2 backcourt bench guys making that kind of scratch.

Leandro was out when the team signed Raja Bell.

 

[Joe Mama]

that's is absolutely frickin hilarious. TT would have signed for that much. i'd rather have tim...i think...

i don't know why they offered 5 years though. does this mean leandro is out if john is in? can't have 2 backcourt bench guys making that kind of scratch.

I was thinking the same thing, but it's not really the same deal Tim Thomas said he would have signed. That one was 4 years, $21 million
. This is 5 years, $22 million. Its $5.25 million per year versus $4.4 million per year. We'll see how John Sammons turns out, but I would probably rather have Tim Thomas.

Joe

 

[Evil Ash]

that's is absolutely frickin hilarious. TT would have signed for that much. i'd rather have tim...i think...

i don't know why they offered 5 years though. does this mean leandro is out if john is in? can't have 2 backcourt bench guys making that kind of scratch.

TT's contract was for 4 years and $24 million. That averages out to $6 million a year. Even if they took the discount price at $21 million, it averages to $5.25 million a year

This contract averages to $4.4 million a year. The extra year does make a bit of a difference but I'm still surprised that they are offering the whole trade exemption and for a 5 year deal no less

Evidently they like his potential

 

[hcsilla]

This is 5 years, $22 million. Its $5.25 million per year versus $4.5 million per year. We'll see how John Sammons turns out, but I would probably rather have Tim Thomas.

I would be more drastic.

Who the hell would prefer John Salmons over Tim Thomas even with this salaries-difference?

Saving money is one thing but saving money for that is just stupid, IMO.

 

[Joe Mama]

I would be more drastic.

Who the hell would prefer John Salmons over Tim Thomas even with this salaries-difference?

Saving money is one thing but saving money for that is just stupid, IMO.

I actually think there's a good chance that John Salmons will blow up with the Phoenix Suns. However I have to agree with you. If this report is actually accurate I think they have made a big mistake.

Joe

 

[Evil Ash]

Just a little update from the Toronto Star ... Salmons will probably make his decision later today. Also according to Philly and Toronto newspaper articles, it appears he's leaning torwards signing here (Philly papers make no mention of the Raptors and the Toronto Star seemed to be saying this was a better situation for him and that the Raptors are looking at other swingmen that may take up all their salary cap room).

 

[HooverDam]

Ug, I kind of hope he chooses Toronto if thats the kind of money we are going to offer him. Making him our 6th highest paid player just seems silly. If any of the rookies drafter 20 or later do anything good this year, Im going to be annoyed.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

Ug, I kind of hope he chooses Toronto if thats the kind of money we are going to offer him. Making him our 6th highest paid player just seems silly. If any of the rookies drafter 20 or later do anything good this year, Im going to be annoyed.

Be annoyed. Most here want the front office to do something - anything - and then start to wonder why the FO is doing what they are doing. What part of the last two seasons would you not call a success? The Suns lost to the champs (a much better TEAM than them) in 2005. No shame in that and a great learning experience for the guys/coaching staff/FO/fans/etc. Last year they were down one very important man and one important man, and lost after getting further than the previous year. The TEAM seemed more together (maybe true, maybe not) and most feel that with different circumstances they could go all the way. Now the FO sees a guy they like - apparently better than any draft pick - and the complaining starts all over again. Like Nash in 2004, like JJ in 2005. I am inclined to let them put the best product THEY can on the court and enjoy the season once again. It's their cap and folks here are complaining that they aren't going over it. And now that they might, the complaints start anew.

And Tim Thomas? You wanted a proven underacheiver for 4 more years, at nearly $6 mil per? If he doesn't hit the shot against LA in game 6, no one is talking about him now...

 

[Joe Mama]

Ug, I kind of hope he chooses Toronto if thats the kind of money we are going to offer him. Making him our 6th highest paid player just seems silly. If any of the rookies drafter 20 or later do anything good this year, Im going to be annoyed.

I can understand if you get annoyed if/when a specific rookie drafted 20 or later plays well. For me that guy is Marcus Williams, and I'll bet a lot of the message board feels the same way. However if you are going to get annoyed if any player drafted after 20 does well you better brace yourself now. It's very likely going to happen.

Joe

 

[Joe Mama]

Be annoyed. Most here want the front office to do something - anything - and then start to wonder why the FO is doing what they are doing. What part of the last two seasons would you not call a success? The Suns lost to the champs (a much better TEAM than them) in 2005. No shame in that and a great learning experience for the guys/coaching staff/FO/fans/etc. Last year they were down one very important man and one important man, and lost after getting further than the previous year. The TEAM seemed more together (maybe true, maybe not) and most feel that with different circumstances they could go all the way. Now the FO sees a guy they like - apparently better than any draft pick - and the complaining starts all over again. Like Nash in 2004, like JJ in 2005. I am inclined to let them put the best product THEY can on the court and enjoy the season once again. It's their cap and folks here are complaining that they aren't going over it. And now that they might, the complaints start anew.

And Tim Thomas? You wanted a proven underacheiver for 4 more years, at nearly $6 mil per? If he doesn't hit the shot against LA in game 6, no one is talking about him now...

okay, I was with you until this Tim Thomas stuff. He DID hit the big shot in game 6, and that's why people are talking about him now. He had a very good playoffs for the Phoenix Suns. Heck, half of the great stuff you say in your first paragraph about the front office would not have happened if it wasn't for Tim Thomas.

Joe

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

okay, I was with you until this Tim Thomas stuff. He DID hit the big shot in game 6, and that's why people are talking about him now. He had a very good playoffs for the Phoenix Suns. Heck, half of the great stuff you say in your first paragraph about the front office would not have happened if it wasn't for Tim Thomas.

Joe

TT was a great signing for what they needed at the time. There is no denying that. Had things gone differently injury-wise then TT wouldn't have even come into play. That is logical, but now we are back to the team we had pre-Amare injury. So what TT would bring to this team - other than intangibles good or bad - is three-point shooting for 2006-2007. Is that worth this much angst over him?

Edit: I will say that he did have a few spectacular drives during the playoffs, but did that WAY too infrequently for a guy his size. What good is the size if you don't really use it?