Suns In Talks To Get Rudy Gay

[JCSunsfan]

C'mon Babby. Show us your amazing negotiating skills. Memphis is desperate to dump salary and they want quality players in return. That's not how it works in the NBA. A salary dump is going to cost you. Memphis should not get an even talent trade under such circumstances.

Make em take Beasley and Frye

 

[SunsTzu]

Terrible idea, reeks of signing Gordon to the max only worse. Suns need to be looking to move Gortat and Dudley for young prospects on rookie deals of 1st round picks, not overpriced under-performing pseudo stars.

This move would kill my interest in the team until the draft order is determined.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Terrible idea, reeks of signing Gordon to the max only worse. Suns need to be looking to move Gortat and Dudley for young prospects on rookie deals of 1st round picks, not overpriced under-performing pseudo stars.

This move would kill my interest in the team until the draft order is determined.

Sounds like all the news is from Memphis sources. I would not get too upset about it yet.

 

[slinslin]

Those numbers are through a third of one season. Gay has much better career numbers than he is currently putting up through a third of this season. In all likelihood his numbers will even them selves out by the end of the year.

Really? They are strongly trending downwards right now even.

 

[SunsTzu]

Sounds like all the news is from Memphis sources. I would not get too upset about it yet.

I'm not, but I certainly wouldn't put it past Babby/Blanks to pull the trigger on such a short sighted move. Especially with their contracts expiring and the terrible talent acquisitions they have made in their short time in charge.

 

[HoodieBets]

Fans aren't coming to see Rudy Gay.

I am not too worried about flexibility. We are not going to sign a FA that is better than Gay most likely.

Just keep the picks. I am just not sure that Gay is much better than Dudley.

This just feels like the Goran/Aaron Brooks trade.

Thats the point the suns are going to sign a FA much better than Gay so all this flexibility is bogus you arent building a dream team with dwight and Paul.

I do on the other hand think Gay is a much better player than Dudley there is a reason he hasnt and cant be a full time starter in the nba. Dudley is a good bench guy 6th man nothing more than that.

 

[SunsTzu]

Anyone who wants Gay should realize the Suns could very easily sign Ellis to a better contract in the off-season without giving up any assets. I'm not promoting this idea since I think both would be terrible additions, but Ellis would be the lesser of 2 evils(Igoudala could also be an option).

 

[Phrazbit]

Potentially giving up a future 1st AND taking on a ton of salary in a totally lost season... just abhorrent management.

 

[SunsTzu]

Thats the point the suns are going to sign a FA much better than Gay so all this flexibility is bogus you arent building a dream team with dwight and Paul.

I do on the other hand think Gay is a much better player than Dudley there is a reason he hasnt and cant be a full time starter in the nba. Dudley is a good bench guy 6th man nothing more than that.

They could easily sign a FA as good as Gay without having to include any assets and if they were smart they could hold out and trade for a player better than Gay.

The Rockets were able to acquire Harden because they were patient with their rebuild, they never would have sacrificed assets and cap space for a player like Gay. The Suns will need to be patient for the right move to present itself and not jump on the first thing that comes along.

 

[slinslin]

They could easily sign a FA as good as Gay without having to include any assets

Mayo, Ellis, Iguodala

there might be more this offseason alone..

There is no way we should take Gay unless the Grizzlies took on Beasley instead of only expirings and if Memphis includes a prospect like Wroten instead of us giving up a pick.

 

[HoodieBets]

Mayo, Ellis, Iguodala

there might be more this offseason alone..

There is no way we should take Gay unless the Grizzlies took on Beasley instead of only expirings and if Memphis includes a prospect like Wroten instead of us giving up a pick.

Are any of those three players going to improve this team or even make them a playoff team with this current roster? Nope so we get a good piece dump dudley and beasley and try to build through the draft with our lotto pick this year and hopefully LA's lotto pick this year. Who knows maybe we package some of our picks and get an impact player to go along with gay.

People complain about flexibility but there is no one who they would sign that is a number one option type guy.

 

[HoodieBets]

They could easily sign a FA as good as Gay without having to include any assets and if they were smart they could hold out and trade for a player better than Gay.

The Rockets were able to acquire Harden because they were patient with their rebuild, they never would have sacrificed assets and cap space for a player like Gay. The Suns will need to be patient for the right move to present itself and not jump on the first thing that comes along.

Assets? You consider Dudley and Beasley assets? If we trade a protected 1st in 2014 I dont see that as an asset either.

Harden was gotten because Houston made a ton of moves to open things up and had 3 draft picks to give them. Phx could still make a deal like that with Gay on this team.

 

[slinslin]

Are any of those three players going to improve this team or even make them a playoff team with this current roster? Nope so we get a good piece dump dudley and beasley and try to build through the draft with our lotto pick this year and hopefully LA's lotto pick this year. Who knows maybe we package some of our picks and get an impact player to go along with gay.

People complain about flexibility but there is no one who they would sign that is a number one option type guy.

Rofl

So you bash Iguodala, Mayo and Ellis as not making a difference if acquired for free but then you say Rudy Gay is a good piece when we give up Dudley for him? Rudy Gay is not a better player than any of those 3.

That is a joke.

 

[SunsTzu]

Assets? You consider Dudley and Beasley assets? If we trade a protected 1st in 2014 I dont see that as an asset either.

Harden was gotten because Houston made a ton of moves to open things up and had 3 draft picks to give them. Phx could still make a deal like that with Gay on this team.

Dudley and a 1st round pick are certainly assets, as is cap space. Houston opened things up and then left them open until they acquired a star, they didn't waste resources on over paid under-performing players.

They flipped their role-players for draft positioning so they could make a significant move. You're advocating the Suns making a significant move for a non-impact player and hindering any chance at a star.

 

[Phrazbit]

Assets? You consider Dudley and Beasley assets? If we trade a protected 1st in 2014 I dont see that as an asset either.

Harden was gotten because Houston made a ton of moves to open things up and had 3 draft picks to give them. Phx could still make a deal like that with Gay on this team.

Dudley is an asset, Beasley is not. But on that contract Rudy Gay is NOT an asset. He is a crippling contract for a player that barely moves the needle. Is it our goal to win 30 games a year while being over the salary cap?

 

[HoodieBets]

Rofl

So you bash Iguodala, Mayo and Ellis as not making a difference if acquired for free but then you say Rudy Gay is a good piece when we give up Dudley for him? Rudy Gay is not a better player than any of those 3.

That is a joke.

Im saying it doesnt matter if its Iggy, mayo, ellis, or Gay the results will be the same. I said Gay is a good piece but you need more than that just like you would need more with Mayo or anyone else. Dudley shouldnt start in this league you guys are way overvaluing him.

Btw Iggy is not the player he once was he isnt better than gay and that is evidenced by the stats and neither is Ellis. Mayo is better can be a first option team him up with Gay and now you got something.

 

[slinslin]

Iguodala is still better and yes there is a difference, those players are unrestricted FAs will get less money than what Gay makes and don't cost the Suns Dudley or picks.

 

[HoodieBets]

Dudley is an asset, Beasley is not. But on that contract Rudy Gay is NOT an asset. He is a crippling contract for a player that barely moves the needle. Is it our goal to win 30 games a year while being over the salary cap?

What is your philosophy to get a championship then because I dont see one anytime in the next 5 years so who would you get or sign to fix that. Im seeing a lot of pissing on it but not a lot of solutions.

 

[SunsTzu]

Mayo is better can be a first option team him up with Gay and now you got something.

Yeah, a pick in the back half of the lottery..

Btw the Suns won't be able to afford Mayo, or any significant FA if they add Gay.

 

[slinslin]

What is your philosophy to get a championship then because I dont see one anytime in the next 5 years so who would you get or sign to fix that. Im seeing a lot of pissing on it but not a lot of solutions.

Trading for Rudy Gay sets you back even more.

The Suns need to do a true rebuild finally.

 

[HoodieBets]

Iguodala is still better and yes there is a difference, those players are unrestricted FAs will get less money than what Gay makes and don't cost the Suns Dudley or picks.

Okay so the suns sign Iggy why keep dudley? what you gonna play him at the 3 and switch iggy to the 2 when dudley comes in? He still would be a bench player plain and simple. I dont see dudley and anyone else they bring in making a difference. Gay and Mayo could make a difference if we still have gortat.

 

[Phrazbit]

What is your philosophy to get a championship then because I dont see one anytime in the next 5 years so who would you get or sign to fix that. Im seeing a lot of pissing on it but not a lot of solutions.

We need to build through the draft. Period. If you get the opportunity to pursue a true star in free agency then do it but dont give up long term contracts to role players.

Our current strategy of throwing out 3-4 year deals at 6+ million per year to guys that dont move the needle is counterproductive and really really stupid. To go and then trade for a guy making 18 million a year who is merely "good" would be absolute lunacy. Gay does not put us anywhere near a title, he does not even put us in the PLAYOFFS.

 

[slinslin]

Okay so the suns sign Iggy why keep dudley? what you gonna play him at the 3 and switch iggy to the 2 when dudley comes in? He still would be a bench player plain and simple. I dont see dudley and anyone else they bring in making a difference. Gay and Mayo could make a difference if we still have gortat.

BECAUSE DUDLEY IS POSITIVE VALUE

Even if they did not need Dudley anymore they could still trade him then for something valueable opposed to throwing him away for Gay.

Gay, Mayo and Gortat is still a sucky lottery teams. 3 #3 options don't make a good team. Not to mention the Suns would have almost no capspace if they traded for Gay.

 

[AzStevenCal]

We need to build through the draft. Period. If you get the opportunity to pursue a true star in free agency then do it but dont give up long term contracts to role players.

Our current strategy of throwing out 3-4 year deals at 6+ million per year to guys that dont move the needle is counterproductive and really really stupid. To go and then trade for a guy making 18 million a year who is merely "good" would be absolute lunacy. Gay does not put us anywhere near a title, he does not even put us in the PLAYOFFS.

But we all know this franchise is NOT going to build solely through the draft or even primarily through the draft. Arguing against any proposed move because it isn't building through the draft is an exercise in futility. That's not to say I'm in favor of this rumored trade but I can't fault them for trying to improve the product on the floor. Their jobs depend on putting butts in the seats today, not 5 years from now and they all know it.

Steve

 

[Phrazbit]

Let me put it a little different.

If Rudy Gay were a free agent right now would ANYONE offer him a 3 year 54 million dollar contract? No, absolutely not. So why should we give up assets for a guy on a contract that no one would sign him to?

I terrifies me that our front office might actually be considering this. Blanks and Babby are criminally bad at their jobs.