Suns might not be done

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Okay now. Everybody get back on the Sarver bandwagon.

Seriously I don't know what the Suns are doing whether it be for this year or next, but I seriously think they have something in mind beyond saving money. Anyway, this is my hope.

However, while everyone is down on Sarver aren't the Suns one of the few teams in the league paying the LT? Perhaps they are just trying to stabilize the ship for the future. The Suns may be acting like the Bidwill's Cardinals but they are not playing like them... at least not yet. I'm still in a wait and see mode.
 
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Is this move going to be like letting Tim Thomas go to get Marcus Banks?
 

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yeah, i said before in another thread that i would hold on before i completely bash the front office. i was thinking that they cant be that stupid to not try to find more frontcourt help when thats whats being killing them year after year. if nothing happens though ,i 'll be cursing like a mother
 

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I posted this in the KT gone to Seattle thread, but I think it got lost in there. My thought was that maybe they traded KT to rekindle the Camby trade. Denver's team salary is as bad as ours and getting an 8 million trade exemption instead of KT gives them immediate relief.
 

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Don't count on it... Kerr has said very clearly they will not bring anyone who can crack the rotation. Why are we denying the fact that this move was to avoid luxury tax?
 

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I posted this in the KT gone to Seattle thread, but I think it got lost in there. My thought was that maybe they traded KT to rekindle the Camby trade. Denver's team salary is as bad as ours and getting an 8 million trade exemption instead of KT gives them immediate relief.

If the above happens then we better get two unprotected first round picks from Denver as well for taking on the three additional years Camby has left on his contract. Anything less would make the front office look even more foolish than they already do.
 

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Camby would be Amazing. I dont see that happening. Although Instant cap relief pluss the Atlanta pick wold get it done easy IMO.
 

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I think it is certain they will do "something", but I'd be overwhelmingly surprised if it was a splashy move like Camby. IMHO, anything costing over $2 to $3 million is beyond discussion.
 

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I trust Gadd over Sheridan here.

That's quite an affirmation, but I'm merely basing my opinion on what Kerr said on the radio yesterday. I didn't think he left any doubt why the Suns traded KT and what they were planning to do next. What Kerr said:

- KT just does not fit what the Suns want to do.

- He cost too much, particularly considering his salary cost as much as Marion's when the LT is considered

- They believe trading KT allows them to "keep the core intact." By that, I think he means they're prepared to keep Marion for the remaining two years on his contract.

- The Suns are looking at adding another player in free agency, probably a frontcourt player, but they're not going to break the bank. At most they will use perhaps half of their MLE to sign a player they think will help them, and if you look at the best of who's remaining, they're all small forwards or tweeners at this point.

- He doubted any player they added would be a primary rotation player.

I'm on the same page as Bordow, whom I consider a friend if not someone I get to talk to much anymore. Management wants to cash in while they still have the current popular core of players in tact. They don't want to wait until Nash retires or Stoudemire gets injured again to show a nice profit. While ownership and FO continues to underline their status as contenders with The Big Three, trading KT clearly demonstrates they will not do anything to win a championship. Being competitive is good enough for them.

The trade exemption allows a team over the cap to take on $8 million in salary without giving up anything. Based on what the Suns had to give up to move an expiring contract in KT (two first-round picks), why would anyone think the trade exemption would be considered an asset for this front office? They just put that sucker on the shelf never expecting to even use half of it. They just want it to expire for the temptation to go away.

I'm in property management. I have 45 units and nearly 20 owners. I think I have a small understanding of what Kerr is going through. I've got owners screaming about their rates going up so they want more rent, but I have to balance that with the market and what tenants are capable and willing to pay, as well as additional costs like air conditionings that are fading left and right in one of the hottest summers I can remember. Kerr has to balance what the ownership group is telling him (cash in now that we've paid off the Colangelo ownership group) with what his tenants (the fans) will pay to see. Simply put, the ownership group knows we're not going to stop going to the games and buying merchandise just because the Suns traded KT. The average fan can't see how that weakens us.
 
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But you have to take into consideration that most of what this organization has said in the past (not Sarver, but FO guys like Griffin, Kerr and D'Antoni) have been by and large lies or at least half-truths. It's hard to take anything they say on faith.
 

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Don't count on it... Kerr has said very clearly they will not bring anyone who can crack the rotation. Why are we denying the fact that this move was to avoid luxury tax?

Maybe he's saying this to essentially kill any potential "rumors." The KG rumors were insane. I am definitely disappointed right now, but I'll take a wait and see approach before I go ape.
 

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The reason the "scuttlebutt" around the league has the Suns doing more is that GMs can't believe the Suns just traded a descent player and 2 firsts just to get under the cap when they are so close to winning a championship.
 

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$10 says its either Etan Thomas or Haywood and an first. this would free up money to max out Gilbert and rid them of a long term contract.
 

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$10 says its either Etan Thomas or Haywood and an first. this would free up money to max out Gilbert and rid them of a long term contract.

If I take your bet how long do I have to wait before you conceed?
 

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Me = Currently ghost riding the Sarver bandwagon.

Will I be able to get back on that bandwagon, or will I get crushed by it's giant wheel of cost cutting? That is the question.
 

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- The Suns are looking at adding another player in free agency, probably a frontcourt player, but they're not going to break the bank. At most they will use perhaps half of their MLE to sign a player they think will help them, and if you look at the best of who's remaining, they're all small forwards or tweeners at this point.

Do you know why the Suns passed on Chris Mihm?
 

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$10 says its either Etan Thomas or Haywood and an first. this would free up money to max out Gilbert and rid them of a long term contract.

If they didn't want KT at $8 million, why would they want Thomas and his non-existent offensive game at $6.5 - 7 mil or Haywood and his stone hands at $5 mil? D'Antoni wouldn't play those guys, either.
 

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Do you know why the Suns passed on Chris Mihm?

I think it's the other way around, and Mihm's choice will be obvious if terms are ever released. I believe he got the equivalent of mid-range MLE contract.

I'm pretty sure Mihm knew he was the Suns backup plan if they didn't land Hill, and that was LLE money all the way.
 

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I think it's the other way around, and Mihm's choice will be obvious if terms are ever released. I believe he got the equivalent of mid-range MLE contract.

I'm pretty sure Mihm knew he was the Suns backup plan if they didn't land Hill, and that was LLE money all the way.
Gotcha.

I'd heard that Mihm signed for 2 years, $2.5m/yr, which is what the Suns say they're willing to spend, but if he's getting $5m/yr it is obvious that the Suns wouldn't come close to matching it.
 

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What about Steven Hunter? I think we can make a trade that included Banks or use our JJ trade exception to bring him in.
 

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Gotcha.

I'd heard that Mihm signed for 2 years, $2.5m/yr, which is what the Suns say they're willing to spend, but if he's getting $5m/yr it is obvious that the Suns wouldn't come close to matching it.

I heard it was closer to $3.5 to 4 mil, but that deal has suspsiciously gone unreported.
 

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I like Thomas and think he'd be a good fit, but he's always injured. (Edit: Okay, he's "often" injured.) Haywood doesn't do much for me.
 
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